Q? for the BiB please
Discussion
J500ANT said:
So is he right about his indicating? And is he allowed to speed "for no reason"?
I guess that's down to interpretation but the fact you noticed he wasn't doing would indicate that perhaps people would benefit from it. By believing that your driving and observation is so perfect that you don't need to is ignorant imo.
Having spent a week driving in Germany in the summer I noticed that all drivers indicated left to overtake and then right again to pull in, people in a queue would also let the driver pull back in if he needed to before he'd got to the front. The driving standard was 10 times better imo and gave you far more confidence that people knew what they were doing, something that just doesn't happen in this country.
A cop driving to his own interpretated standards and not indicating doesn't give a good example especially with the amount of people who don't indicate no matter what.
IaHa said:
I indicate to let others know what I intend to do NOT what I want them to do. That's an important difference. In the circs you describe I wouldn't be moving in left, much less indicating to do so .
You miss my point Sir (see, I can be respectful to the Rozzers when I need to). OBVIOUSLY I'm saying "what I intend to do", not "what I want them to do". For example, have you never been in a situation where you have pulled in left, 'cos some crazy
wit is coming up behind you at what seems like 3000mph. You pull to the left, safely, but let others know you are doing it. My main point was that the original dog van man didn't indicate left OR right, and he said that you don't need to indicate left. By not giving exceptions, he inferred you don't indicate left EVER. All I'm suggesting (with limited examples) is that there are times when you DO indicate left. I'm suggesting that perhaps, just perhaps, he was possibly in the wrong suggesting this, but he ain't ever gonna admit it to the general public.
IaHa said:
I've done it myself in the marked car, see speeder in rearview 800m back and increase speed to see what his reaction is, even up to over 100mph. sometimes it takes a couple of miles for them to think, Errr.. perhaps this aint such a good idea. 
Sometimes I'll slow down again perhaps to 90, see if they pass. All builds up a picture of their driving style, concentration etc.
A little chat will confirm whether a ticket is justified or not.
But a 15 mile follow, then some mouth?? I'm sure he'd be straight into my book!
I'm with you on this. I don't think the dog van man did it, 'cos he doesn't need 15 miles to check. I still think he was speeding, and gets away with it 'cos of his uniform. HOWEVER, anyone who follows the BiB over the limit for 15 miles, then gives 'em lip, is surely looking for trouble.
7db said:
But a 15 mile follow, then some mouth?? I'm sure he'd be straight into my book!
But presumably not for speeding if you were on your own in a dog van with an uncalibrated speedo?
Case law of Nicholas v Penny 1950 allows an officer to use evidence from an uncalibrated source ie. a speedo to corroborate his evidence.
Failing that, just get the dog to corroborate.
Big Fat F'er said:
I indicate to let others know what I intend to do NOT what I want them to do. That's an important difference. In the circs you describe I wouldn't be moving in left, much less indicating to do so .
You miss my point Sir (see, I can be respectful to the Rozzers when I need to). OBVIOUSLY I'm saying "what I intend to do", not "what I want them to do". For example, have you never been in a situation where you have pulled in left, 'cos some crazy
My main point was that the original dog van man didn't indicate left OR right, and he said that you don't need to indicate left. By not giving exceptions, he inferred you don't indicate left EVER. All I'm suggesting (with limited examples) is that there are times when you DO indicate left. I'm suggesting that perhaps, just perhaps, he was possibly in the wrong suggesting this, but he ain't ever gonna admit it to the general public.
Yes, I did misread your post. I thought you were offering these examples as reason for always indicating left.
But I'd hope that dog patrol was explaining simplistically that the action of returning into the left lane does not necessitate the use of indicator. At least that's the way I read it.
But then we Bib do tend to stick together.
I attended a Bikesafe course with a City of London TrafPol. My bike (an Enduro machine) doesn't have indicators fitted, and throughout both my observed rides, I only indicated with hand signals when absolutely neccessary. The BiB mentioned that he was impressed that I wasn't being too anal about indicating, and suggested that too much use of the indicators can be a tad confusing for others.
You're lucky that your BiB didn't set his dog on you for being a motorist.
You're lucky that your BiB didn't set his dog on you for being a motorist.
What are the rules about the BiB and speed limits? A few times on the hogs back marked police Volvos have caught and overtaken me on the Hogs Back out of Guildford (on their way to the M3 no doubt) but with no lights on and no obvious reason to exceed the limit.
Even had one pull in behind me and put the brakes on way too late and nearly hit me (clearly a GTi must be speeding if it pulls in when it sees a car fast approaching...)
Rob
Even had one pull in behind me and put the brakes on way too late and nearly hit me (clearly a GTi must be speeding if it pulls in when it sees a car fast approaching...)
Rob
wiggy001 said:
I've done it myself in the marked car, see speeder in rearview 800m back and increase speed to see what his reaction is, even up to over 100mph.
Please tell me you are joking?
Erm.. No??
Now you tell me what's your problem with this and we'll work through it.
IaHa said:
IaHa said:
I've done it myself in the marked car, see speeder in rearview 800m back and increase speed to see what his reaction is, even up to over 100mph.
Please tell me you are joking?
Erm.. No??
Now you tell me what's your problem with this and we'll work through it.
Now this could get interesting. Come on, wiggy, let's have your thoughts....
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