Disgracing the Uniform.
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You know this isn't going to be good.
@ a few minutes before 20.00 tonight I got a pull.
The situation. Me driving along the dual carriageway outside T2 @Manchester airport. Doing a very strict 40. Coz I'm monitoring the plod van catching and coming alongside me. The limit is 30.
I normally do 50-60 along this road since it's so open/good viz.
Anywho I gets a pull.
'Hairy muff' says oi to myself.
Except PC
has other ideas.
Usual routine. Good evening sir etc etc do you know how fast you were going blah di blah.
'Yes says I. 40 on the nose.'
'You were doing 53' says.
'Maybe 53 to catch me' says I. 'I was doing 40.'
'Do you know the limit .sir' sarcastic tone.
'30' says I'.
'I was doing 53 alongside you, I used to be traffpol and I am seriosly considering issuing a NIP against you'.
More bullshit followed.
I've already admitted doing 40 - why does this lying disgrace to his uniform continue to insult me?
I am utterly, utterly off with this guy. My speedo read exactly 40 and over-reads by about 10%. I never exceeded it.
I am disappointed and disillusioned and want that out of that uniform.
Rant temporarily over.
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 21:35
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 21:36
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 21:40
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 22:03
@ a few minutes before 20.00 tonight I got a pull.
The situation. Me driving along the dual carriageway outside T2 @Manchester airport. Doing a very strict 40. Coz I'm monitoring the plod van catching and coming alongside me. The limit is 30.
I normally do 50-60 along this road since it's so open/good viz.
Anywho I gets a pull.
'Hairy muff' says oi to myself.
Except PC
has other ideas. Usual routine. Good evening sir etc etc do you know how fast you were going blah di blah.
'Yes says I. 40 on the nose.'
'You were doing 53' says
. 'Maybe 53 to catch me' says I. 'I was doing 40.'
'Do you know the limit .sir' sarcastic tone.
'30' says I'.
'I was doing 53 alongside you, I used to be traffpol and I am seriosly considering issuing a NIP against you'.
More bullshit followed.
I've already admitted doing 40 - why does this lying disgrace to his uniform continue to insult me?
I am utterly, utterly
off with this guy. My speedo read exactly 40 and over-reads by about 10%. I never exceeded it. I am disappointed and disillusioned and want that
out of that uniform. Rant temporarily over.
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 21:35
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 21:36
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 21:40
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 22:03
Did he .
I nearly called his bluff. He's in a van so no vascar. I knew it wasn't going anywhere but I am completely gobsmacked by the audacity and barefaced lying.
I didn't mind the lecture - even though it was bollox. I'm seriously minded to make a complaint. But I have hair and he has uniform. Does anyone seriously think I have any hope of having this guy maximum hauled up for a chat?
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 22:10
. I nearly called his bluff. He's in a van so no vascar. I knew it wasn't going anywhere but I am completely gobsmacked by the audacity and barefaced lying.
I didn't mind the lecture - even though it was bollox. I'm seriously minded to make a complaint. But I have hair and he has uniform. Does anyone seriously think I have any hope of having this guy maximum hauled up for a chat?
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 22:10
JonRB said:
Hold on; you saw him approaching, so adjusted your speed to "a very strict 40" in a 30 mph limit?
I'd have done the same, if you suddenly slam on the brakes and drive at bang on 30 your asking for a pull, if you can demonstrate good awareness and good lane discipline you might sometimes get away with it...
Sorry guys - I NEVER exceeded 40.
We joined at the same junction and I had him in my sights the whole time.
If there was any chance in hell I did 53 then this thread would not exist.
[edit] I was never arsey. He lied. I expect more from a copper. And I saw no point in lying over my speed. It was a fair cop. But 40 in a 30 from a van is a minor lecture at best.
>> Edited by planetdave on Tuesday 27th September 22:50
We joined at the same junction and I had him in my sights the whole time.
If there was any chance in hell I did 53 then this thread would not exist.
[edit] I was never arsey. He lied. I expect more from a copper. And I saw no point in lying over my speed. It was a fair cop. But 40 in a 30 from a van is a minor lecture at best.
>> Edited by planetdave on Tuesday 27th September 22:50
For Gods sake dave you had a bad experience with ONE copper who was an idiot, get over it! I've had exactly the same kind of experience several times, and i AM a copper!! 
Last one i had whilst waiting outside a shop for a friend, with the roof down:
Essex Copper: " Why aren't you wearing your seatbelt?"
Me: "Because i'm parked....."
Just get over it, don't stress yourself by making a complaint....
Last one i had whilst waiting outside a shop for a friend, with the roof down: Essex Copper: " Why aren't you wearing your seatbelt?"
Me: "Because i'm parked....."
Just get over it, don't stress yourself by making a complaint....
planetdave said:
Did he
I nearly called his bluff. He's in a van so no vascar. I knew it wasn't going anywhere but I am completely gobsmacked by the audacity and barefaced lying.
I didn't mind the lecture - even though it was bollox. I'm seriously minded to make a complaint. But I have hair and he has uniform. Does anyone seriously think I have any hope of having this guy maximum hauled up for a chat?
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 27th September 22:10
If he thought you were exceeding the speed limit, and his speedo evidence suggested you were doing 53, then he certainly could do something about it.
Just some cautionary advice, please do not be over confident that because they haven't a calibrated speed detection device in the motor, you are safe.
And I don't understand your anger here.
You say you were doing 40.
He says you were doing 53.
You had a discussion about it.
You could have had a ticket for either.
You didn't.
Chill. Tomorrow's another day.
It's a solo copper in a van. He isn't going to issue a NIP. He won't have anything calibrated.
My sole issue is that he has decided I'm doing 53 when I'm tops doing 37. It's a blatent lie. I have no proof. He has no recording device.
Why should the general public put up with this shit? It may intimidate someone who wasn't paying attention. I was.
Lying coppers just undermine the trust in the system.
I now have less respect for the BiB than I did.
Bad result.
My sole issue is that he has decided I'm doing 53 when I'm tops doing 37. It's a blatent lie. I have no proof. He has no recording device.
Why should the general public put up with this shit? It may intimidate someone who wasn't paying attention. I was.
Lying coppers just undermine the trust in the system.
I now have less respect for the BiB than I did.
Bad result.
Hollywood Wheels said:
For Gods sake dave you had a bad experience with ONE copper who was an idiot, get over it! I've had exactly the same kind of experience several times, and i AM a copper!!
Essex Copper: " Why aren't you wearing your seatbelt?"
Me: "Because i'm parked....."
Just get over it, don't stress yourself by making a complaint....
But that's
and you accepted it. All wearing the respect levels down. It would stress me out to make a complaint. It shouldn't. That's just plain wrong. >> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Wednesday 28th September 05:57
I understand your feelings but, remember it could have been worse. How more p*ssed off would you be after admitting you had broken the speed limit, the guy then issued you with a 3 point and £60 ticket!?
Life's a bitch, and obviously the PC wasnt perfect, but I have seen things go a lot worse:
A couple of years ago turning right at a junction I waited so long in the centre of a box junction the lights changed. 5 seconds later I saw in my mirror a panda car follow me after doing a U turn to catch me up.
I was pulled over and asked to sit in the police car while the driver proceeded to tell me about how I had jumped a red light!? This I of course corrected and was astonished I was accused as they must have seen that I had passed the lights a good ten seconds before they turned red.
The drivers response was to offer me 3 points and a £60 fine whilst the passenger and the trainee in the rear of the car took notes.
I had guessed what had happened. The guys were chatting away, the lights turned green and saw me in the centre of the box turning right and assumed I had shot all the way across the junction to get there.
Anyway six months later I received three statements, one from the driver and two corroboratory statements from the passengers about how I drove across four lanes of oncoming traffic, causing them to take evasive action as I had jumped a red light by 6 seconds!?
The outcome of this is that I took two days off work to take photos of the scene, and go through the bull**** statements to prepare my defence.
Luckily the magistrate who was also a Crown court judge filling in saw through the guys when they took the stand, and he discounted at least two of the 'witnesses' as their evidence was both physically impossible, corrobatory and if anything supported my case!
Now, I committed no crime or rule, and I know this: if I had the chance to walk away without penalty even though they were not my favourite people, I would have gladly done so, so that I would not have to spend a week of my life defending myself against the system which my tax money supports.
Life's a bitch, and obviously the PC wasnt perfect, but I have seen things go a lot worse:
A couple of years ago turning right at a junction I waited so long in the centre of a box junction the lights changed. 5 seconds later I saw in my mirror a panda car follow me after doing a U turn to catch me up.
I was pulled over and asked to sit in the police car while the driver proceeded to tell me about how I had jumped a red light!? This I of course corrected and was astonished I was accused as they must have seen that I had passed the lights a good ten seconds before they turned red.
The drivers response was to offer me 3 points and a £60 fine whilst the passenger and the trainee in the rear of the car took notes.
I had guessed what had happened. The guys were chatting away, the lights turned green and saw me in the centre of the box turning right and assumed I had shot all the way across the junction to get there.
Anyway six months later I received three statements, one from the driver and two corroboratory statements from the passengers about how I drove across four lanes of oncoming traffic, causing them to take evasive action as I had jumped a red light by 6 seconds!?
The outcome of this is that I took two days off work to take photos of the scene, and go through the bull**** statements to prepare my defence.
Luckily the magistrate who was also a Crown court judge filling in saw through the guys when they took the stand, and he discounted at least two of the 'witnesses' as their evidence was both physically impossible, corrobatory and if anything supported my case!
Now, I committed no crime or rule, and I know this: if I had the chance to walk away without penalty even though they were not my favourite people, I would have gladly done so, so that I would not have to spend a week of my life defending myself against the system which my tax money supports.
wolves_wanderer said:
The last time a bib saw me doing 40 in a 30 I got 3 bonus points and £60. I wouldn't be moaning too much mate.
That would be a fair cop though. I wouldn't be on here bitching about that. I'm bitching about being lied to. By a serving officer. OK, it didn't go any further. But if it did it would be my word against his and I have shoulder length hair. I admitted what I had done and was going to take the consequences square on.
Result is I now have less faith in our BiB; which has a knock on effect on my conduct/attitude for a lifetime.
And for DVD
Rural dual carriageway with a 30? If you want to uphold joke laws then you become a joke.
Please don't try to imply that when I do 50-60 it is unsafe. If a van can overhaul me without blues/twos is that safe? Obviously a copper in a van is a more capable driver than me in a small hatch
. I didn't overtake anyone @ 40. He did at nearly double the posted limit. Without warning them. Remember some civvies get trained too.
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