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Boy expelled for bringing a craft knife to school - Sounds OK to me. I thought it was a criminal offence to carry a knife on school premises.
Mother objects as it's not his fault - Typical.
Appeal. Governers back the expulsion - too right!
Appeal. Local Government backs the expulsion - about time.
Complain. Ombudsman fines LA for expelling the boy - what kind of world do we want to live in?
See
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/09/nknife09.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/09/ixhome.html
So don't complain when law and order falls apart. We are teaching kids that they can do what they want, then it's their right to get compensation if we try to apply any consequences to their actions.
Mother objects as it's not his fault - Typical.
Appeal. Governers back the expulsion - too right!
Appeal. Local Government backs the expulsion - about time.
Complain. Ombudsman fines LA for expelling the boy - what kind of world do we want to live in?
See
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/09/nknife09.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/09/ixhome.html
So don't complain when law and order falls apart. We are teaching kids that they can do what they want, then it's their right to get compensation if we try to apply any consequences to their actions.
Once the (Gordon) Brown shirts take power, the SS take to the street, the new Fuhrer will need his 'Hitler Youth' - fully armed - to instill the doctrine for the great future of the Fatherland!
This is the UK, 2005 - any similarity to German dictatorships of past are completely coincidental...
This is the UK, 2005 - any similarity to German dictatorships of past are completely coincidental...
Darth Viper said:
Once the (Gordon) Brown shirts take power, the SS take to the street, the new Fuhrer will need his 'Hitler Youth' - fully armed - to instill the doctrine for the great future of the Fatherland!
This is the UK, 2005 - any similarity to German dictatorships of past are completely coincidental...
When I was in the Sixth Form, they were recruiting for 'Young Labour' then...
They got quite a few due to the fact that a parent was a local councellor, in fact they had great support with the Lower Sixth impressionables. I went to Uni that year of the election. The year after Labour got in and immediately introduced admission and tuition fees for universities.
Karma. It comes around.
Actually you are wrong whilst being broadly right (this is something I know something about). The fine was not for the explusion but for the non-provision of education.
If you expel someone it's the responsibility of the LEA to provide him or her with appropriate education.
Frequently they don't bother (I came across one autistic child who had not been at school since being excluded from nursery at 4.5 years, and was then 11) or do it very sloooowly.
The thing that is wrong here is that Greenwich (one of the better LEAs IME) had actually arranged various provisions for the boy, which had been turned down for spurious reasons ; a PRU, turned down because it didn't provide "full GCSEs" ; another school, turned down apparently for no reason at all.
So the LEA tried to provide, but the parents/boy refused to accept their provision. And both of those options are perfectly valid choices for a boy expelled for threatening with a knife, though one could argue that he needs somewhere more of a lockup (depends on the specific case).
So what you have is a boy who was expelled quite correctly, the LEA suggested reasonable alternatives which were turned down for spurious reasons, and the parents then were awarded money and the LEA fined.
If you expel someone it's the responsibility of the LEA to provide him or her with appropriate education.
Frequently they don't bother (I came across one autistic child who had not been at school since being excluded from nursery at 4.5 years, and was then 11) or do it very sloooowly.
The thing that is wrong here is that Greenwich (one of the better LEAs IME) had actually arranged various provisions for the boy, which had been turned down for spurious reasons ; a PRU, turned down because it didn't provide "full GCSEs" ; another school, turned down apparently for no reason at all.
So the LEA tried to provide, but the parents/boy refused to accept their provision. And both of those options are perfectly valid choices for a boy expelled for threatening with a knife, though one could argue that he needs somewhere more of a lockup (depends on the specific case).
So what you have is a boy who was expelled quite correctly, the LEA suggested reasonable alternatives which were turned down for spurious reasons, and the parents then were awarded money and the LEA fined.
It's time for fundamental Christianity.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. he is profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.
Seems only fair to me.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. he is profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.
Seems only fair to me.
Does that mean I can sue the disruptive shite in my son's class who is preventing ALL THE OTHER CHILDREN from getting their education? No I didn't think so.
Kick 'em out. I don't care if they get their education or not.
And when the sandalists start droning on about "special needs" and "inclusion" etc they can all chip in for a special school to send them to. Where they can have their ice cream and hugs. And if, by some inexplicable miricle that brings them inside a minimum standard of behaviour expected by the majority, maybe, just maybe, they'll be let back into a mainstream school.
The sooner this country realises that the Political Correct experiment has failed and gets back to good old fashioned values, the better.
SM
Kick 'em out. I don't care if they get their education or not.
And when the sandalists start droning on about "special needs" and "inclusion" etc they can all chip in for a special school to send them to. Where they can have their ice cream and hugs. And if, by some inexplicable miricle that brings them inside a minimum standard of behaviour expected by the majority, maybe, just maybe, they'll be let back into a mainstream school.
The sooner this country realises that the Political Correct experiment has failed and gets back to good old fashioned values, the better.
SM
eliminator said:
It's time for fundamental Christianity.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. he is profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.
Seems only fair to me.
For Christs sake give over.
A least let Rooney play tommorrow night first...
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eliminator said:
It's time for fundamental Christianity.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. he is profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.
Seems only fair to me.
The only trouble with that sentiment is you are assuming that the mother cares enough to set a good example in the first place. (I didn't mention the father because I doubt the mother is entirely certain who it is.)
supermono said:
Does that mean I can sue the disruptive shite in my son's class who is preventing ALL THE OTHER CHILDREN from getting their education? No I didn't think so.
Kick 'em out. I don't care if they get their education or not.
And when the sandalists start droning on about "special needs" and "inclusion" etc they can all chip in for a special school to send them to. Where they can have their ice cream and hugs. And if, by some inexplicable miricle that brings them inside a minimum standard of behaviour expected by the majority, maybe, just maybe, they'll be let back into a mainstream school.
The sooner this country realises that the Political Correct experiment has failed and gets back to good old fashioned values, the better.
SM
This isn't Special Needs really. It's straightforward yobbery.
EBD (Emotional/Behavioural Diffs) Special Needs tends to be a little different ; these are children who often display appalling behaviours but frequently have diabolical histories (I used to work in SEN).
Meanwhile in schools, you have a few thugs, and a lot of hangers on. Because there are no real sanctions against the thugs, and they have a lot of clout, the hangers on, would wouldn't normally join in if there were any kind of sanction, multiply the amount of bad behaviour in your average mainstream comprehensive.
The experiment has been failing for years.
Unfortunately it's fans (who mostly have vested interests) will continually argue "oh, if we were only a *bit* nicer to them I'm sure they'd all turn round" and it's always possible to say just a bit more therap y etc. and it will work.
In BiB terms, it's like the serious criminals you have bang to rights not so much not getting a stiff sentence, but not getting any sentence *at all*.
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