CCTV Parking ticket ?
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Hi Chaps
This is a new one on me
Having protested 5 parking tickets in the past - and won ! Here's the latest one - but new to me is parking fine by CCTV ?!
Obviously the council are allowed to do it ?
However the 2 pics are only a few seconds apart
you can't see that there's no one else in the car (tinted windows - legally tinted)
Worth protesting ?
>> Edited by woof on Wednesday 12th October 10:11
This is a new one on me
Having protested 5 parking tickets in the past - and won ! Here's the latest one - but new to me is parking fine by CCTV ?!
Obviously the council are allowed to do it ?
However the 2 pics are only a few seconds apart
you can't see that there's no one else in the car (tinted windows - legally tinted)
Worth protesting ?
>> Edited by woof on Wednesday 12th October 10:11
forgot to say - what a complete bunch of w**kers
CCTV to nick a single yellow line contravention !
Actually - from memory. A parking ticket has to be issued to the driver in person or placed on the vehicle or that is how i got off the last 5 tickets !
>> Edited by woof on Wednesday 12th October 11:03
I thought one was allowed to 'drop off' on yellow lines (even doubles), surely given the fact that only 20 seconds or so have elapsed can't you argue that?
Also, I believe that one is allowed to stop on double yellows in an emergency (incl toilet break!) for upto two mins. There must be guidelines somewhere about the elapsed time....
Also, I believe that one is allowed to stop on double yellows in an emergency (incl toilet break!) for upto two mins. There must be guidelines somewhere about the elapsed time....
Woof you must be from Landan?
Schedule 2 The Transport for London (Consequential Provisions) Order 2005 amends London Local Authorities Act 2000 to enable Transport for London to serve penalty charge notices under RTA 1991 for parking contraventions on GLA roads and side roads on the basis of camera information and WHERE A PARKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING a Notice and can serve these by Fax or other electronic device..
Photo 2 shows Number plate of your vehicle at 15.29.20 of the clock. Photo 1 shows 23 seconds later same position. Try counting out 23 seconds - fair time innit?
Me thinks they have you this time. 5 - 1 to you aint a bad score...
dvd
Schedule 2 The Transport for London (Consequential Provisions) Order 2005 amends London Local Authorities Act 2000 to enable Transport for London to serve penalty charge notices under RTA 1991 for parking contraventions on GLA roads and side roads on the basis of camera information and WHERE A PARKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING a Notice and can serve these by Fax or other electronic device..
Photo 2 shows Number plate of your vehicle at 15.29.20 of the clock. Photo 1 shows 23 seconds later same position. Try counting out 23 seconds - fair time innit?
Me thinks they have you this time. 5 - 1 to you aint a bad score...
dvd
Dwight VanDriver said:
Woof you must be from Landan?
Schedule 2 The Transport for London (Consequential Provisions) Order 2005 amends London Local Authorities Act 2000 to enable Transport for London to serve penalty charge notices under RTA 1991 for parking contraventions on GLA roads and side roads on the basis of camera information and WHERE A PARKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING a Notice and can serve these by Fax or other electronic device..
Photo 2 shows Number plate of your vehicle at 15.29.20 of the clock. Photo 1 shows 23 seconds later same position. Try counting out 23 seconds - fair time innit?
Me thinks they have you this time. 5 - 1 to you aint a bad score...
dvd
Surely depends on WHERE A PAKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING means, as far as I can see no parking attendant has attempted to issue a ticket to the car, there was simply not one present. Worth a go perhaps?
got photpgraphed in Enfield town
Dwight VanDriver said:
Woof you must be from Landan?
Schedule 2 The Transport for London (Consequential Provisions) Order 2005 amends London Local Authorities Act 2000 to enable Transport for London to serve penalty charge notices under RTA 1991 for parking contraventions on GLA roads and side roads on the basis of camera information and WHERE A PARKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING a Notice and can serve these by Fax or other electronic device..
Photo 2 shows Number plate of your vehicle at 15.29.20 of the clock. Photo 1 shows 23 seconds later same position. Try counting out 23 seconds - fair time innit?
Me thinks they have you this time. 5 - 1 to you aint a bad score...
dvd
voyds9 said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Woof you must be from Landan?
Schedule 2 The Transport for London (Consequential Provisions) Order 2005 amends London Local Authorities Act 2000 to enable Transport for London to serve penalty charge notices under RTA 1991 for parking contraventions on GLA roads and side roads on the basis of camera information and WHERE A PARKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING a Notice and can serve these by Fax or other electronic device..
Photo 2 shows Number plate of your vehicle at 15.29.20 of the clock. Photo 1 shows 23 seconds later same position. Try counting out 23 seconds - fair time innit?
Me thinks they have you this time. 5 - 1 to you aint a bad score...
dvd
Surely depends on WHERE A PAKING ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING means, as far as I can see no parking attendant has attempted to issue a ticket to the car, there was simply not one present. Worth a go perhaps?
It says 'and' WHERE A PAKING (sic) ATTENDANT IS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING. Which I assume means he was prevented from issuing a ticket because he wasn't there when the heinous crime took place, so they can use the camera whenever they damn well please!
>> Edited by hedders on Wednesday 12th October 16:16
woof said:
If it's video evidence then most likely it would show me stepping out of the car
Could be a giveaway that it says "This is photographic CCTV video evidence.." underneath ?
Or that it has 'PLAY' on the image ?
woof said:
However - might as well protest it on the grounds that the car is only stationary and has not been left unattended
Yellow lines = no waiting
count duckula said:
Nothing to lose in appealing, take up some of there time.
Not to mention some of your own
Woof
Just had a look at the Order itself.
Relevant part is:
(2A) Where Transport for London, on the basis of information provided by the use of a camera or other device, has reason to believe that a penalty charge is payable under Part II of the Act of 1991 in respect of a vehicle which is stationary -
(a) on a GLA road or GLA side road in a designated parking place for which Transport for London is the local authority within the meaning of section 45(7) of the 1984 Act; or
(b) on a GLA road or GLA side road in a special parking area but not in a designated parking place,
Transport for London may serve a penalty charge notice on the person appearing to it to be the owner of the vehicle."
The bit about the Parking attendant is in fact another amendment on a seperate issue to cover where he has been prevented from issuing by another person, to close the obvious loophole, the Order says under those circumstances then TfL can jump in and issue the Notice to the owner.
Sorry for that, my notes confused and to prove to dbd that I do err....
dvd
Just had a look at the Order itself.
Relevant part is:
(2A) Where Transport for London, on the basis of information provided by the use of a camera or other device, has reason to believe that a penalty charge is payable under Part II of the Act of 1991 in respect of a vehicle which is stationary -
(a) on a GLA road or GLA side road in a designated parking place for which Transport for London is the local authority within the meaning of section 45(7) of the 1984 Act; or
(b) on a GLA road or GLA side road in a special parking area but not in a designated parking place,
Transport for London may serve a penalty charge notice on the person appearing to it to be the owner of the vehicle."
The bit about the Parking attendant is in fact another amendment on a seperate issue to cover where he has been prevented from issuing by another person, to close the obvious loophole, the Order says under those circumstances then TfL can jump in and issue the Notice to the owner.
Sorry for that, my notes confused and to prove to dbd that I do err....
dvd
Believe TFL isn't the issuing authority in this case, but Enfield Council. As for the basis of issuing tickets by CCTV this is what the council website says:
"Penalty Charge Notices are either issued by a parking attendant and placed on the vehicle, or sent by post following observation of a contravention by a CCTV camera operative.
The Local Authority is permitted to enforce restrictions without advising (by signage) that either cameras may be capturing a vehicle in contravention or that a parking attendant may operate in the area. There is no obligation on the Local Authority to give advice about which method of enforcement they choose."
"Penalty Charge Notices are either issued by a parking attendant and placed on the vehicle, or sent by post following observation of a contravention by a CCTV camera operative.
The Local Authority is permitted to enforce restrictions without advising (by signage) that either cameras may be capturing a vehicle in contravention or that a parking attendant may operate in the area. There is no obligation on the Local Authority to give advice about which method of enforcement they choose."
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