RE: Blanket 30mph called for
Discussion
Yup - ALL villages to have a 30 mph speed limit. That has been put forward as an amendment to the Road Safety Bill when it was before the Lords.
Another hair curler - 20 mph the new limit for a restricted road.
Cameras to be illuminated at night and have appropriate speed sign on them for daylight.
If any of you want a cringe then pull up the Road Safety Bill and dig into the amendments put forward......
dvd
Another hair curler - 20 mph the new limit for a restricted road.
Cameras to be illuminated at night and have appropriate speed sign on them for daylight.
If any of you want a cringe then pull up the Road Safety Bill and dig into the amendments put forward......
dvd
7db said:
A restricted road is one that:-
i) Has a system of streetlighting no more than 200 yrds apart and
ii) Has not been de-restricted by order.
It also includes unlit roads which have been restriced by order. (rare)
A system of streetlighting includes normal streetlights and anything else that illuminates the carriageway.
..anything else that illuminates the carriageway.
What, like headlights?
If true, you can only ever drive above 30mph with no lights on. I missed that when I last read the highway code.
skint_driver said:
A restricted road is one that:-
i) Has a system of streetlighting no more than 200 yrds apart and
ii) Has not been de-restricted by order.
It also includes unlit roads which have been restriced by order. (rare)
A system of streetlighting includes normal streetlights and anything else that illuminates the carriageway.
..anything else that illuminates the carriageway.
What, like headlights?
If true, you can only ever drive above 30mph with no lights on. I missed that when I last read the highway code.
I don't think that headlights are fixed at no more than 200 yrds apart. It includes lights from adjoining properties that cast out onto the road, but it does need to be a continuous system of carriageway lighting.
7db said:
....Repeaters are prohibited on restricted roads....
This is what I understand too. But what about roads where there are 30 repeaters, normally associated with camera warning signs? Does the use of such a repeater negate the speed limit? That would be rather ironic!
But I presume not. So this regulation is effectively worthless, is it not?
Where do you live?. When you step outside your house to cross the road, whats the speed limit?
I think 30 through villages where people live is not unreasonable, taking into account the mentality of a lot of the contributors to this web site that "They will drive at a speed THEY think appropriate"
Consider, current village speed limit is say 60, so cars zip thorugh at 70, at least if it was 30, they might only do 40, so I think it makes sound sense, and at the end of the day, how much does it increse your journey time by?
I think 30 through villages where people live is not unreasonable, taking into account the mentality of a lot of the contributors to this web site that "They will drive at a speed THEY think appropriate"
Consider, current village speed limit is say 60, so cars zip thorugh at 70, at least if it was 30, they might only do 40, so I think it makes sound sense, and at the end of the day, how much does it increse your journey time by?
Vipers said:
I think 30 through villages where people live is not unreasonable
Probably not, but from experience, we all know they'll stretch the definition of "village" to the extreme and find any excuse to extend the limit for miles either side. Before long it gets to the point where each village has a vast 30mph event horizon that renders higher limits pointless, as no sooner have you left one 30 zone than you're in the next. Join the dots.
I also don't like the way it's always people travelling through villages that are used as justification, as if it's only "outsiders" to blame and the residents are all whiter than white and drive like vicars.
turbo tim said:From the headline, that's what I thought WAS being proposed. And it didn't surprise me one bit.
this would be cheaper than doing it on a case-by-case basis
Good observation CPRE.
So would making EVERY road in the UK a 30mph limit. Why not do that??
whoops, better not give them ideas
Obviously its not PC to disagree with such an obviously well meaning suggestion, so it will happen. Despite the fact that it will do nothing at all for road safety.
hornet said:
I think 30 through villages where people live is not unreasonable
Probably not, but from experience, we all know they'll stretch the definition of "village" to the extreme and find any excuse to extend the limit for miles either side. Before long it gets to the point where each village has a vast 30mph event horizon that renders higher limits pointless, as no sooner have you left one 30 zone than you're in the next. Join the dots.
I also don't like the way it's always people travelling through villages that are used as justification, as if it's only "outsiders" to blame and the residents are all whiter than white and drive like vicars.
Even better when every 30 limit has a 400m 40 limit 'buffer' zone on either side of it as per Somerset CC policy...
stig said:
I think S.Oxfordshire must be their HQ then as there seems to be blanket 30mph limits in all the villages round our way - and the damn roads in between them
Yep its difficult get anywhere without having to travel in such low speed limits, perfect safe that I've been driving on for the last 30 year without incident and suddenly its considered unsafe. Unfortunatly the only science they appear to be addopting is to slow us down to the point where its impossible to get hurt in a accident regardless of any other sound solution that should be considered
But they keep releasing these small snippets of info for me its all part of a bigger picture, maybe even this could be linked to Brumstroms cateye cameras which would be ideal and quickly installed into village roads
hornet said:
I think 30 through villages where people live is not unreasonable
Probably not, but from experience, we all know they'll stretch the definition of "village" to the extreme and find any excuse to extend the limit for miles either side. Before long it gets to the point where each village has a vast 30mph event horizon that renders higher limits pointless, as no sooner have you left one 30 zone than you're in the next. Join the dots.
I also don't like the way it's always people travelling through villages that are used as justification, as if it's only "outsiders" to blame and the residents are all whiter than white and drive like vicars.
Very true, it's never tye Mummsies on the school run, or the Major on the way to the golf club. Yet these are the ones caught when enforcemnt starts.
Round here we have many which are effectively village bypasses but as they are conceivably within walking distance the limit is 30. To use DfT terminology these are Upper Tier SC A&B roads.
Considering the good old advice contained within the original Circular Roads 1/93 these roads would be considered for 50 or 60 mph limits. Even at maximum stretch of the definitions in no way do they meet the crieria for a 40 mph.
Yet these roads, WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT RTA history are thirty. They don't even meet the criteria for 30 mph in the proposed update to circular 1/93. Namely 20 or more premises fronting onto the road.
Plus if we assume that a complete nationwide review of these morally bankrupt limits is made once the advisory leaflets is in place. How many limits will go up? None I bet.
It is the definition of a village that cocks this up. The village hall & Village school may not be within the middle of the houses, so the very area where a limit *might* be sensible, can fall outside the settlement area. To suggest the whole of the parish area will be a blanket 30 mph on every road. Drive along the non motorway sections of the A1 and there are houses & settlements on to the road - will that all be 30 mph
Must be remembered that this is the CPRE though, some ofits members can be a little too over conservative. Anti-development, anti-change, and your local member is probably the retired old busybody who shakes a fist at any car doing more than 5 mph past his house
Must be remembered that this is the CPRE though, some ofits members can be a little too over conservative. Anti-development, anti-change, and your local member is probably the retired old busybody who shakes a fist at any car doing more than 5 mph past his house
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