POLICE CAR ON ITS ROOF.
Discussion
I'd got it down as:
1. COURSE - Choose the correct line of approach, check behind and give a signal if it is needed to warn of the change of road position.
2. SPEED - Check behind again, consider giving a further signal if turning. Reduction in speed for the hazard, preceded by a slowing down signal if required.
3. GEAR - Select the appropriate gear for the chosen speed.
4. REAR OBSERVATION & SIGNAL - Check behind again. Consider giving a signal if not done already or to emphasise an existing signal.
5. HORN - If necessary, give a horn warning.
6. ACCELERATION - Applied to leave the hazard safely.
>> Edited by woodytvr on Wednesday 19th October 14:43
1. COURSE - Choose the correct line of approach, check behind and give a signal if it is needed to warn of the change of road position.
2. SPEED - Check behind again, consider giving a further signal if turning. Reduction in speed for the hazard, preceded by a slowing down signal if required.
3. GEAR - Select the appropriate gear for the chosen speed.
4. REAR OBSERVATION & SIGNAL - Check behind again. Consider giving a signal if not done already or to emphasise an existing signal.
5. HORN - If necessary, give a horn warning.
6. ACCELERATION - Applied to leave the hazard safely.
>> Edited by woodytvr on Wednesday 19th October 14:43
7db said:
Quinny said:
If the biker had stopped. How would you have got out?
PMSL @ the thought of two ample plod squeezing through the sunroof
(not that I'm suggesting that the silverbacked one is ample in any way)
It was only narrow for a bit, but yes, silly move.
I concur with lambocop.
IPSGA
Information
Position
Speeed
Gear
Acceleration.
"Have a gander, get in the right place and check exits, check speed, gear to go, give it some"
And yes, horn could play a part, as is getting yourself in the right place early.
>> Edited by silverback mike on Wednesday 19th October 14:54
I think it could be. It was this thread that prompted me to ask.
Although that said, there's nothing wrong and actually in principle nothing different in the method I use to the new easier to remember version. A new copy is only really required if I decide to take some form of advanced test.
>> Edited by woodytvr on Wednesday 19th October 15:28
Although that said, there's nothing wrong and actually in principle nothing different in the method I use to the new easier to remember version. A new copy is only really required if I decide to take some form of advanced test.
>> Edited by woodytvr on Wednesday 19th October 15:28
Hello woody,
Seemingly lambocop and I were trained the same,
more than a few years ago now. Personally I think the system is good, but a guideline, which leaves it slightly open for personal interpretation, we all drive slightly differently and are after all human beings and therefore different in our make up and the way we do things.
If you sit an advanced test then there is room for slight differences. My wife has just passed her advanced driving, her test was a lot different from my police test but the basics were the same. (if that makes any sense) The police tests tend to focus more of speed and emergency driving once the system has been learned, lots of use of end point analysis etc etc.
Mind you, all the teaching in the world doesn't make up for using your loaf. I have sat in some passenger seats and nearly filled my pants. In others I have been moving quicker than I ideally like to go, but it felt like a gentle 30mph drive in the country, because it was smooth, calm and very deliberate.
Seemingly lambocop and I were trained the same,
more than a few years ago now. Personally I think the system is good, but a guideline, which leaves it slightly open for personal interpretation, we all drive slightly differently and are after all human beings and therefore different in our make up and the way we do things. If you sit an advanced test then there is room for slight differences. My wife has just passed her advanced driving, her test was a lot different from my police test but the basics were the same. (if that makes any sense) The police tests tend to focus more of speed and emergency driving once the system has been learned, lots of use of end point analysis etc etc.
Mind you, all the teaching in the world doesn't make up for using your loaf. I have sat in some passenger seats and nearly filled my pants. In others I have been moving quicker than I ideally like to go, but it felt like a gentle 30mph drive in the country, because it was smooth, calm and very deliberate.
silverback mike said:
Hello woody,
Seemingly lambocop and I were trained the same,
If you sit an advanced test then there is room for slight differences. My wife has just passed her advanced driving, her test was a lot different from my police test but the basics were the same. (if that makes any sense) The police tests tend to focus more of speed and emergency driving once the system has been learned, lots of use of end point analysis etc etc.
Mind you, all the teaching in the world doesn't make up for using your loaf. I have sat in some passenger seats and nearly filled my pants. In others I have been moving quicker than I ideally like to go, but it felt like a gentle 30mph drive in the country, because it was smooth, calm and very deliberate.
Hi Mike,
Totally agree. Some of the slowest drivers I've sat with scare the hell out of me.
Out of interest when did you do your police training? I learn't in about 93 but was taught by someone who trained in the late 70's.
Woody.
7db said:
I learn't in about 93 but was taught by someone who trained in the late 70's.
Are you one of Hugh's?
No, I was taught by my father in law who is ex-police Class one car and bike.
The original conversation was something like "You're to take me out in your car before my daughter even looks at it and I will assess whether you are good enough to take her out in it" I wasn't and several trips out with him (after he'd made me read and learn roadcraft) he eventually allowed her in the car.
He's a big bloke so I didn't argue. Even now if he's in the car with me you can tell he's watching and on occasion if he thinks you're not using your mirror he'll block it with his hand and ask "what's behind you?".
He's a top bloke and I'm very glad for the training he has given me. Plus he made my wife go through the same. He used to pretend to have heart attacks with her (when she was on L's) to she how coped with the un-expected.
woodytvr said:
The original conversation was something like "You're to take me out in your car before my daughter even looks at it and I will assess whether you are good enough to take her out in it" I wasn't and several trips out with him (after he'd made me read and learn roadcraft) he eventually allowed her in the car.
Just driving or did he test you out in the back seat too?
7db said:
The original conversation was something like "You're to take me out in your car before my daughter even looks at it and I will assess whether you are good enough to take her out in it" I wasn't and several trips out with him (after he'd made me read and learn roadcraft) he eventually allowed her in the car.
Just driving or did he test you out in the back seat too?
Brilliant. deeps said:
^^ LOL
Back to the subject, here's a better pic.
According to a local report, an eyewitness said the patrol car had been "following a cyclist with a crate of stolen beer on the handle bars". Apparently the car tried to do a U-turn in pursuit of the cyclist.
A UK version of the Elk test then ?
woodytvr,
Don't forget the Information phase covers both receiving AND giving information. Giving information could be an audible signal as you suggest, a headlight flash, indicators, brake lights, even a hand signal to really emphasise something. Ref other thread in advanced driving.
Example other day; approaching left junction intending to turn left. Totally clear behind and ahead. One of the plod driving school cars waiting to turn right out of junction. I'd got my signal going, he was still waiting, quite correctly because all my indicator proves is that the flaming bulb works.
Hand signal left hand open palm facing forward.
He spotted my signal, I think also saw my final mirror checks and then went with a cheery wave and a nod from Sgt instructor who must have been on a demo drive. At least I think it was a cheery wave.
Anyway about rolling at low speed. Yes you can I've done it, mini on an autotest, don't know exact speed but in first gear so not that quick. All due to driving like an utter prat.
Don't forget the Information phase covers both receiving AND giving information. Giving information could be an audible signal as you suggest, a headlight flash, indicators, brake lights, even a hand signal to really emphasise something. Ref other thread in advanced driving.
Example other day; approaching left junction intending to turn left. Totally clear behind and ahead. One of the plod driving school cars waiting to turn right out of junction. I'd got my signal going, he was still waiting, quite correctly because all my indicator proves is that the flaming bulb works.
Hand signal left hand open palm facing forward.
He spotted my signal, I think also saw my final mirror checks and then went with a cheery wave and a nod from Sgt instructor who must have been on a demo drive. At least I think it was a cheery wave.
Anyway about rolling at low speed. Yes you can I've done it, mini on an autotest, don't know exact speed but in first gear so not that quick. All due to driving like an utter prat.
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