Is this RIP correct?

[jewhoo]

That looks just like a typical scameraship answer. safespeedforlife.com is full of them eg

"why did you employ a 19 year old Newcastle Uni student to produce a heavily biased stats report for you?"

"Newcastle University is a highly respected institution...."

[Big Fat F'er]

puggit said:

Get that complaint in to the ASA now

Done.

[BliarOut]

Well done that man

[Big Fat F'er]

Just received a letter that reads (and I quote)...

"Dear Big Fat F'er,

YOUR COMPLAINT - CASUALTY REDUCTION PARTNERSHIP POSTER.

Thank you for your online complaint of 21 October 2005.

We are already investigating this advertisement and your complaint will be added to our file. We shall let you know what we decide in due course.

Yours sincerely
xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx
Complaints Handler"

Dear Big Fat F'er says to PH...(sorry if this upsets anyone - not!!!)
Can I point out that I don't object to speed cameras per se. I'm not blind, so I can see them, AND I think they are necessary, definitely in built up areas, and sometimes in other areas. HOWEVER, I don't like being lied to. We can't have reasoned debates on here without the true facts, and this clear distortion of the truth doesn't help.

Soz if that makes me a traitor to the cause. Well, I'm not sorry at all actually, but you know what I mean.

>> Edited by Big Fat F'er on Thursday 27th October 22:09

[Big Fat F'er]

Just had a letter back from the ASA. The adjudication will be released on 7 December, and will be displayed on their website www.asa.org.uk. They told me their decision, but unfortunately I am sworn to confidentiality, and as an law abiding citizen I cannot reveal the results.

Wait and see boys, wait and see.

[zaktoo]

OK well I'm not a UK citizen, nor am I in the UK now, nor am I likely to be in the near term. BFF'er, please tell me what the decision WASN'T, I'll then take a flying guess at what it was, and post that for fellow PHers to see...

Thanks!

Ciao

Zak

[Richard C]

Big Fat F'er said:

Soz if that makes me a traitor to the cause. Well, I'm not sorry at all actually, but you know what I mean

Nah it just makes you a Big Fat F'er

[telecat]

g_attrill said:

If it was West Yorks SCP then it could have been the work of Philip Gwynne, one of the more notorious spin doctors in the scamera circles. For example on their website they post emails/letters from the public and their responses, just read them, the replies are a hoot: <a href="www.safetycameraswestyorkshire.co.uk/pressr.asp">www.safetycameraswestyorkshire.co.uk/pressr.asp</a> [quote=scamerati] 3. Surley if you want people to obey the speed limit you should at first make sure the limit is posted and second that you do not hide the limit that has been posted - **It&#8217;s not about getting people to obey the speed limit, that&#8217;s the job of the police [comment: hmm, at odds with what they usually say]. Our job is to try and prevent needless death and injury on the roads. We do that by identifying the worst casualty/fatal crash &#8220;black spots&#8221; and installing cameras at them, in order to encourage motorists to watch their driver behaviour &#8211; particularly their speed. Why speed? Because the fatalities and casualties at these &#8220;black spots&#8221; have mostly been caused by drivers travelling at excess speed for the conditions. Why cameras? Because they are proven to be the most effective, high visibility deterrent to speeding behaviour [comment: thought SID's were more]. More info is attached that we hope you will find useful and relevant

Gareth


I love trawling the Gnome's stats. Most of the sites show no improvement or suspiciously show an improvement PRIOR to the camera going in. This is because of road engineering improvements due to the accidents. In some cases Such as the Middleton Ring road the casualties increased then went down again (excepting the first camera). The A64M camera has been useless. Probably not helped by the Morons in the area who think they can vault the railings and avoid the underpass. Dewsbury road had KSI's up etc etc. I notice He also ony has figures until the end of August 2004. Too many contridictions for Philip to explain away!!

[Big Fat F'er]

zaktoo said:

OK well I'm not a UK citizen, nor am I in the UK now, nor am I likely to be in the near term. BFF'er, please tell me what the decision WASN'T, I'll then take a flying guess at what it was, and post that for fellow PHers to see... Thanks! Ciao Zak

I'm sorry Zak, you cannot expect me to break a confidentiality agreement and tell you the results. That is not how we work in this country, we uphold the law, and we respect those in authourity, at all times. I complained that the poster was misleading, the partnership said it wasn't, and I'm pleased that the ASA appeared to adjudicate fairly and professionally.

Once again can I stress that I cannot reveal the results, you will have to wait until 7th of December, at which point you can definitely read the results on www.asa.org.uk