Help settle an argument (night-time speed limits)
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Hi all,
Person A says the following ...
"In a built-up area with streetlights, the speed limit is always 30mph at night-time, regardless of the actual posted speed" (e.g. in a built-up area with streetlights showing a speed-limit sign of 40, the legal maximum speed drops to 30mph at night"
Person B says the following...
"If the speed-limit is explicitly displayed (e.g. by way of a 40 sign) then that speed limit is the legal maximum speed ... it doesn't matter if it's day or night"
Who's right, A or B? The answer might seem obvious but both persons A and B are convinced they're right.
Any answers from someone "authoritative" (e.g. policeman, driving instructor/examiner) appreciated.
Thanks in advance...
Ian.
Person A says the following ...
"In a built-up area with streetlights, the speed limit is always 30mph at night-time, regardless of the actual posted speed" (e.g. in a built-up area with streetlights showing a speed-limit sign of 40, the legal maximum speed drops to 30mph at night"
Person B says the following...
"If the speed-limit is explicitly displayed (e.g. by way of a 40 sign) then that speed limit is the legal maximum speed ... it doesn't matter if it's day or night"
Who's right, A or B? The answer might seem obvious but both persons A and B are convinced they're right.
Any answers from someone "authoritative" (e.g. policeman, driving instructor/examiner) appreciated.
Thanks in advance...
Ian.
droid42 said:
Hi all,
Person A says the following ...
"In a built-up area with streetlights, the speed limit is always 30mph at night-time, regardless of the actual posted speed" (e.g. in a built-up area with streetlights showing a speed-limit sign of 40, the legal maximum speed drops to 30mph at night"
Where on earth did he/she get that from? Sounds like scamera heaven.
The presence of street lighting on a road at the stated distance apart will make that road a "restricted road" and automatically a 30 mph limit come day, night or Easter Monday. Period
To up the limit to a 40 then they have to take away by Order the "restricted road " aspect and impose by Order instead a 40 and provided this is signed in accordance with the Regs and irrespective of street lighting then it too is a 40 limit night,day or Good Friday.
dvd
To up the limit to a 40 then they have to take away by Order the "restricted road " aspect and impose by Order instead a 40 and provided this is signed in accordance with the Regs and irrespective of street lighting then it too is a 40 limit night,day or Good Friday.
dvd
Vixpy!
vipers said:
the use of the horn, which should not be used when driving in a built up area between 2330 - 0700, except when another vehicle posses a danger.
Surely that is the only use of a horn signal?
As a warning device. I wish all the taxi drivers around my house would learn that rule, and why after dropping someone off to so many feel it necessary to beep them another parting comment?
As said when is night? When the lights come on?
What if the street lights are faulty.
tell person A to follow the rules of the road, and maybe stay of the road at night?
To the best of my knowledge...
Marked speed limits are implicit at all times with repeater symbols at 150m intervals throughout the limit. Where no symbols are displayed, in the presence of street lamp standards, the limit is 30mph day or night. In the absence of lamp standards, the limit rises to 60mph. On MoD land, the limit is 20 mph blanket.
I am not a lawman, but as an ex road rally competitor, I had to know this stuff. If there are any members of Plod out there who know better, please correct me as this is the Law as far as I am concerned and, right or wrong, I would rather remain within it!
Marked speed limits are implicit at all times with repeater symbols at 150m intervals throughout the limit. Where no symbols are displayed, in the presence of street lamp standards, the limit is 30mph day or night. In the absence of lamp standards, the limit rises to 60mph. On MoD land, the limit is 20 mph blanket.
I am not a lawman, but as an ex road rally competitor, I had to know this stuff. If there are any members of Plod out there who know better, please correct me as this is the Law as far as I am concerned and, right or wrong, I would rather remain within it!
Of course, the revised wording on the use of the horn at night means that you cannot legally use it even when a pedestrian poses a danger (to you or themselves).
BTW, certain uses of the "horn" at any time when driving can be fatal ... I recall a casualty officer in Liverpool commenting upon one young gentleman and his girl-friend who were both DOA after a RTA. He had suffered traumatic amputation of a certain part of his anatomy immediately consequent upon impact with a tree - the impact itself being caused by what was recorded by the accident investigator as "a loss of control"! The amputated part was discovered resting on the lingual membrane behind the young lady's incisors.
Streaky
BTW, certain uses of the "horn" at any time when driving can be fatal ... I recall a casualty officer in Liverpool commenting upon one young gentleman and his girl-friend who were both DOA after a RTA. He had suffered traumatic amputation of a certain part of his anatomy immediately consequent upon impact with a tree - the impact itself being caused by what was recorded by the accident investigator as "a loss of control"! The amputated part was discovered resting on the lingual membrane behind the young lady's incisors.
Streaky
Dwight VanDriver said:
To up the limit to a 40 then they have to take away by Order the "restricted road " aspect and impose by Order instead a 40 and provided this is signed in accordance with the Regs and irrespective of street lighting then it too is a 40 limit night,day or Good Friday.
dvd
so does that mean that if the 40 limit is incorrectly signed the actual limit would be 30 ? streaky said:
Of course, the revised wording on the use of the horn at night means that you cannot legally use it even when a pedestrian poses a danger (to you or themselves).
BTW, certain uses of the "horn" at any time when driving can be fatal ... I recall a casualty officer in Liverpool commenting upon one young gentleman and his girl-friend who were both DOA after a RTA. He had suffered traumatic amputation of a certain part of his anatomy immediately consequent upon impact with a tree - the impact itself being caused by what was recorded by the accident investigator as "a loss of control"! The amputated part was discovered resting on the lingual membrane behind the young lady's incisors.
Streaky
:takingafirmgripandwincing:
>>>>>>>> so does that mean that if the 40 limit is incorrectly signed the actual limit would be 30 ? <<<<<<<<<<
Bearing in mind if they have made the Order taking away the "restricted road" then if the 40 Order is incorrectly signed then why not upto a NSL ?
The absence or defect in the 40 signing will give the arguement at Court that it is an illegal limit so cannot be enforced. They would do you or try to for the 40 not a NSL as under the circs you wouldn't be daft enought to exceed it would you?
dvd
Bearing in mind if they have made the Order taking away the "restricted road" then if the 40 Order is incorrectly signed then why not upto a NSL ?
The absence or defect in the 40 signing will give the arguement at Court that it is an illegal limit so cannot be enforced. They would do you or try to for the 40 not a NSL as under the circs you wouldn't be daft enought to exceed it would you?
dvd
Due to a fault on this web page, I cannot use the quote function, howevever KBS1 asked when is night night?
Dont know either, but as we know now this is irrelevant to the original question, who cares, but for what its worth my old dictionary, which I got around 1958 defines night as:-
The period of day between sunset and sunrise, characterized by the absence of sunlight..
So now we know.
Dont know either, but as we know now this is irrelevant to the original question, who cares, but for what its worth my old dictionary, which I got around 1958 defines night as:-
The period of day between sunset and sunrise, characterized by the absence of sunlight..
So now we know.
The official sunset time in london is about now. In this weather no-one but a loony or a cyclist would want to be without lights but on a decent evening it will still be daylight for another half hour or so. Lighting-up time (for vehicles, not ciggys) used to be half an hour after sunset.
So is it nightime if you can still see without artificial illuminaton?
So is it nightime if you can still see without artificial illuminaton?
streaky said:
BTW, certain uses of the "horn" at any time when driving can be fatal ... I recall a casualty officer in Liverpool commenting upon one young gentleman and his girl-friend who were both DOA after a RTA. He had suffered traumatic amputation of a certain part of his anatomy immediately consequent upon impact with a tree - the impact itself being caused by what was recorded by the accident investigator as "a loss of control"! The amputated part was discovered resting on the lingual membrane behind the young lady's incisors.
Sounds like 'The World According to Garp' - John Irving. Similar incident described there...
dogwatch said:
The official sunset time in london is about now. In this weather no-one but a loony or a cyclist would want to be without lights but on a decent evening it will still be daylight for another half hour or so. Lighting-up time (for vehicles, not ciggys) used to be half an hour after sunset.
So is it nightime if you can still see without artificial illuminaton?
Amazes me how many vehicles you do see in the twilight zone, so to speak, with zero lights on, my motto is "See, and be seen"
On the subject of Nighttime, I would have thought it had the same definition as Night as apposed to Day
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