Help settle an argument (night-time speed limits)

[7db]

vipers said:

Agreed, posted speed limits do not change at night time, the only law which differs at nights as far as I know is the use of the horn, which should not be used when driving in a built up area between 2330 - 0700, except when another vehicle posses a danger. <br/> <br/>

In fact use of the horn is banned regardless of danger of other vehicles on restricted roads between 2330 and 0700. The exemption for when another vehicle poses a danger is for stationary vehicles. This confusion comes from the poor wording of Highway Code Rule 92, not accurately reflecting 99(1) of CUR 96.

[streaky]

Dwight VanDriver said:

>>>>>>>> so does that mean that if the 40 limit is incorrectly signed the actual limit would be 30 ? <<<<<<<<<< Bearing in mind if they have made the Order taking away the "restricted road" then if the 40 Order is incorrectly signed then why not upto a NSL ? The absence or defect in the 40 signing will give the arguement at Court that it is an illegal limit so cannot be enforced. They would do you or try to for the 40 not a NSL as under the circs you wouldn't be daft enought to exceed it would you? dvd

Other threads have suggested that no speed limit (including NSL) applies in the case of incorrect signing - Streaky

[vipers]

lambo cop said:

Sitting here with the night shift, Central Met Traffic the answer is unanimous with person B. Whatever the sign says night or day is the speed limit.

Maybe you could offer an opinion on this also. Up here in Aberdeen, main street, "Union Street" has one bus lane, (At pre set times only), and one lane for other vehicles.

As you approach a junction, and I am talking turning left, the bus seperation lane white line turns to a dotted white line, and there is a white arrow from the other lane indicating they can change into the end of the bus lane to turn left, this is absolutely clear, also at the end of the bus lane is a sign prohibiting traffic in the bus lane (other than busses) from going over the junction, ie if you are in that lane turning left, then you should turn left.

Question, when the bus lane is NOT A BUS LANE,(ie outwith set times) does the road sign also NOT APPLY, I would assume so because if the bus lane is not a bus lane, then I can poodle up to the junction in the inside lane, and cross over the junction and immediately join the continuation of the bus lane, which is not a bus lane at that time.

Hope that sounds clear!

[streaky]

vipers said:

lambo cop said: Sitting here with the night shift, Central Met Traffic the answer is unanimous with person B. Whatever the sign says night or day is the speed limit. Maybe you could offer an opinion on this also. Up here in Aberdeen, main street, "Union Street" has one bus lane, (At pre set times only), and one lane for other vehicles. As you approach a junction, and I am talking turning left, the bus seperation lane white line turns to a dotted white line, and there is a white arrow from the other lane indicating they can change into the end of the bus lane to turn left, this is absolutely clear, also at the end of the bus lane is a sign prohibiting traffic in the bus lane (other than busses) from going over the junction, ie if you are in that lane turning left, then you should turn left. Question, when the bus lane is NOT A BUS LANE,(ie outwith set times) does the road sign also NOT APPLY, I would assume so because if the bus lane is not a bus lane, then I can poodle up to the junction in the inside lane, and cross over the junction and immediately join the continuation of the bus lane, which is not a bus lane at that time. Hope that sounds clear!

I believe that you have answered the question in your description. The application of the sign requiring traffic except buses to turn left is likely independent of the operation of the bus lane; i.e., if you're in that lane, you must turn left - Streaky

[7db]

I've seen a similar sign, but the only indication was a turn left arrow painted on the road. Does this carry the full weight of law, or is it advisory only?

[streaky]

7db said:

I've seen a similar sign, but the only indication was a turn left arrow painted on the road. Does this carry the full weight of law, or is it advisory only?

AFIK, signage exclusively on the road surface is for information only. However, if an accident were to follow your ignoring of that signage, the issue of ignoring it might be prejudicial to your defence - Streaky

[7db]

For the record, correct and fuller information here:-
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=1&f=10&t=219840&h=0

Information on road only is enforceable (cf double white lines).

[philip_cooke]

KSB1 asked when is night night? It is not sunrise and sunset as someone else supposed, well at leat not in flying terms. Official night time (when flying) is 30 minutes after published sunset to 30 minutes before published sunrise. Hope this clears any confusion.

[superlightr]

philip_cooke said:

KSB1 asked when is night night? It is not sunrise and sunset as someone else supposed, well at leat not in flying terms. Official night time (when flying) is 30 minutes after published sunset to 30 minutes before published sunrise. Hope this clears any confusion.

true, as the higher you fly there is less curve of the earth that affects the suns rays. Trouble is when you land its just as dark for the pilot as it is for the driver - your both at ground level.