RE: Speeding not root of accidents: official
Discussion
spnracing said:
It was a hypothetical example, I have no intention of pulling out on anyone.
Maybe my point was more along the lines of ordinary should be able to drive on Britains roads without feeling intimidated. And the post was in line with lots of stuff I put on PH because all the other posts here are from serious car enthusiasts who I think just can't see the other side of the argument.
Britains roads are for the local vicar and Grandma just as much as they are for the guy with the Caterham 7. Its not fair to expect people who drive as a means of transport to have to cope with other cars driven at speed by the more confident amongst us.
'Safe Speed' and many other PHers continue to argue that we should be able to drive at speeds that are relative to the conditions. But the roads are for everyone to use and what might be perfectly safe for Mr PHer and his Superlight R might scare the living daylights out of the local chaplain coming the other way.
And I have to dis-agree - in South London especially, if speed limits were abolished everyone would take the piss and there would be total carnage. You cannot compare the A23 through Streatham to the Isle of Man or a German Autobahn.
I see your argument and feel you're making a black and white case out of a valid point of view. Inappropriate speed should be curtailed in both meanings, excessive speed and not enough speed are both problems which can be adressed in ways discussed here at length.
I don't speed much at all in the company barge and have got used to pootling around to conserve fuel, I can't think of once where I've felt intimidated or pressured by a 'speeding motorist' I've come accross some bloody terrifying slow driving though
I agree 100% with the last posting (spnracing)
Sorry to the majority, but what are you advocating, do you want the speed limit got rid of or do you want to keep the speed limit but make it difficult to enforce. If we accept the speed limit, which no one seems to be moaning about we have to accept the various attempts by the police and government to enforce it. I don’t see anyone complaining about speed limits, so it seems in general we agree with them, so why are we complaining about enforcement. If you don’t want speeding tickets don’t break the law. This is especially important if you have already been caught a couple of times. It's not impossible just mildly irritating.
The thing I hate a speed humps can’t we scream about them, they don’t generate revenue they slow me down to a crawl regardless of the speed limit, they cost me money in council tax, they regularly upset my exhaust system and probably my shocks.
Perhaps they could generate revenue, the council could invite Quick Fit or Mr. Exhaust to sponsor them, these companies would resist initially but once the councils started removing the humps, the exhaust companies would be forced to cough up.
Sorry to the majority, but what are you advocating, do you want the speed limit got rid of or do you want to keep the speed limit but make it difficult to enforce. If we accept the speed limit, which no one seems to be moaning about we have to accept the various attempts by the police and government to enforce it. I don’t see anyone complaining about speed limits, so it seems in general we agree with them, so why are we complaining about enforcement. If you don’t want speeding tickets don’t break the law. This is especially important if you have already been caught a couple of times. It's not impossible just mildly irritating.
The thing I hate a speed humps can’t we scream about them, they don’t generate revenue they slow me down to a crawl regardless of the speed limit, they cost me money in council tax, they regularly upset my exhaust system and probably my shocks.
Perhaps they could generate revenue, the council could invite Quick Fit or Mr. Exhaust to sponsor them, these companies would resist initially but once the councils started removing the humps, the exhaust companies would be forced to cough up.
clomas said:
keep an eye open for these great big yellow things by the side of the road. If that's too difficult, they even draw all these white lines in the road.
Don't get too complacent, last time I got points was for an offence between 2 speed cameras by an unmarked cop car, neither camera got me but matey obviously realised the danger I was causing to the pedestrians hiding behind lampposts waiting to jump infront of me motor, phew they were lucky. The other 2 times were by mobile scams that were hidden.
apache said:
I'm surprised with all those hedges and fields some villian hasn't vandalised em, I mean someone with a farm vehicle or landie and a bit of rope, you know?no trafpol so unlikely to get nabbed I spose, terrible really cos someone could even lop a petrol filled tyre over one and leg it cross the fields, what a world we live in
Unfortunatly 99% of the cameras are in built up areas and the ones on fast country roads that could be vandalised are generally mobile units. They are not stupid, ar$eholes but not stupid.
A few have been warmed up with a spare tyre but not enough.
What is an interesting tactic is that quite a few cameras were found to be illegaly sited. These have not been removed, but are now just dummy sites. Is that legal?
gooby said:
I'm surprised with all those hedges and fields some villian hasn't vandalised em, I mean someone with a farm vehicle or landie and a bit of rope, you know?
Unfortunatly 99% of the cameras are in built up areas and the ones on fast country roads that could be vandalised are generally mobile units. They are not stupid, ar$eholes but not stupid.
A few have been warmed up with a spare tyre but not enough.
What is an interesting tactic is that quite a few cameras were found to be illegaly sited. These have not been removed, but are now just dummy sites. Is that legal?
well, if you think a particular scamcan is a dummy site, give it a guy faulks welcome in the good old english tradition.
and see if it is replaced!
spnracing said:
If I pull out of my driveway and end up getting smacked by some tosser doing 120MPH down my residential road, I think I'd be well within my rights to apportion some blame on the speeding driver. We can't expect the British motoring public to approach every junction and traffic light with the same care you need joining the Silverstone main straight from the pit lane. Hence we have reasonable speed limits that need enforcing.
Digressing slightly, I have often wondered why drivers, drive into their driveway, and then try to reverse out, (Not saying that you do) but its safer to reverse in, and drive out, same as car parking in supermarket car parks. As you are approaching the space, you are aware of whats going around you, ie, cars coming up behind you, people loading cars with shopping etc, so you can stop, and safely reverse in. However, if you drive in, by the time you have got in your car, started up etc, the picture behind you has changed drastically, try as you may, you cannot view the entire area behind your car. (I did once witness two women drivers each reverse out of a supermarket car space, only to reverse into each other, god I learnt a lot of new words then).
I also have issues with those who do reverse in by turning their heads around to the left, thus being totall blind to the right hand side, yes I know some will stop and check now and again, but I see a lot just look over the left shoulder and go for it, which means the front offside of the car is now moving out a bit. I was always taught to reverse by mirrors, and do just that to this day, (Only reason being I learnt to drive in a 3 ton lorry, which of course had no centre rear view mirror). Sorry did I go on a bit there.....
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