Camera Partnership stand at NEC bike show
Discussion
Just gone to the media:
Camera partnership “Crash Stand” accused of shroud waving and and commercial insensitivity
Road safety group the Association of British Drivers today condemned the West Midlands Safety Camera Partnership’s “Crash” stand at the NEC International Motorcycle Show. The Partnership’s stand, prominent in the exhibition hall, shows the wreckage of a crashed and mangled Ducati motorcycle, the injured rider’s leathers at one side, with smoke and fire effects.
The ABD believes that recreating a motorcycle crash at an event that is, above all, a celebration of motorcycling is both personally and commercially insensitive. Mark McArthur-Christie is the ABD’s Road Safety Spokesman, an IAM-qualified motorcyclist and a BMW R1150GS rider. He commented “We’re used to crass insensitivity from camera partnerships, but this is simple, sensationalist shroud-waving. How are bikers going to feel who have lost friends in crashes when they see the wreck of a motorcycle, billowing smoke? How are riders who have been injured going to feel? Of course, the speed camera partnership will say they are simply trying to make an impact, but this goes way beyond that. It’s utterly inappropriate.”
The ABD is also concerned about the damage a stand like this may do to the motorcycling industry. Thousands of new riders visit the International Motorcycling Show, often taking their partners to show them their dream bike. McArthur-Christie comments “Imagine the reaction of a rider’s partner, enjoying a day out and walking amongst the stands. They suddenly come upon a wrecked bike in pieces, on its side, belching smoke. Are they going to be happy to see their loved one buying a bike? Encourage them to ride and get trained? I don’t think so"
The ABD was interested to see that the rather smaller BIkesafe stand, where riders are encouraged to take life-saving motorcycle training, had no need to resort to sensationalist stunts. McArthur-Christie concluded "It's a crying shame that a worthwhile, vital organisation like Bikesafe doesn't have the bottomless pit of funding that the camera partnerships enjoy. It's clear to us which group understands more about saving lives."
Camera partnership “Crash Stand” accused of shroud waving and and commercial insensitivity
Road safety group the Association of British Drivers today condemned the West Midlands Safety Camera Partnership’s “Crash” stand at the NEC International Motorcycle Show. The Partnership’s stand, prominent in the exhibition hall, shows the wreckage of a crashed and mangled Ducati motorcycle, the injured rider’s leathers at one side, with smoke and fire effects.
The ABD believes that recreating a motorcycle crash at an event that is, above all, a celebration of motorcycling is both personally and commercially insensitive. Mark McArthur-Christie is the ABD’s Road Safety Spokesman, an IAM-qualified motorcyclist and a BMW R1150GS rider. He commented “We’re used to crass insensitivity from camera partnerships, but this is simple, sensationalist shroud-waving. How are bikers going to feel who have lost friends in crashes when they see the wreck of a motorcycle, billowing smoke? How are riders who have been injured going to feel? Of course, the speed camera partnership will say they are simply trying to make an impact, but this goes way beyond that. It’s utterly inappropriate.”
The ABD is also concerned about the damage a stand like this may do to the motorcycling industry. Thousands of new riders visit the International Motorcycling Show, often taking their partners to show them their dream bike. McArthur-Christie comments “Imagine the reaction of a rider’s partner, enjoying a day out and walking amongst the stands. They suddenly come upon a wrecked bike in pieces, on its side, belching smoke. Are they going to be happy to see their loved one buying a bike? Encourage them to ride and get trained? I don’t think so"
The ABD was interested to see that the rather smaller BIkesafe stand, where riders are encouraged to take life-saving motorcycle training, had no need to resort to sensationalist stunts. McArthur-Christie concluded "It's a crying shame that a worthwhile, vital organisation like Bikesafe doesn't have the bottomless pit of funding that the camera partnerships enjoy. It's clear to us which group understands more about saving lives."
You could always try here. Although, from past experience, don't wait up for a reasonable reply.
"If you have any comments or queries regarding the West Midlands Casualty Reduction Partnership please contact us via the following email address:
wmsafetycameras@west-midlands.pnn.police.uk
or by writing to:
West Midlands Casualty Reduction Partnership
10th Floor Operations
Lloyd House
Colmore Circus Queensway
BIRMINGHAM
B4 6NQ
Education and Training
beckyking@solihull.gov.uk
lloydsu@walsall.gov.uk"
"If you have any comments or queries regarding the West Midlands Casualty Reduction Partnership please contact us via the following email address:
wmsafetycameras@west-midlands.pnn.police.uk
or by writing to:
West Midlands Casualty Reduction Partnership
10th Floor Operations
Lloyd House
Colmore Circus Queensway
BIRMINGHAM
B4 6NQ
Education and Training
beckyking@solihull.gov.uk
lloydsu@walsall.gov.uk"
Quinny said:
People who visit the show should make their feelings clear And hurl a bit of verbal at the w*nkers
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this is not a thought-provoking discussion but an attempt to encourage threatening abuse) Think about the children! 1.)Unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libellous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy, sexually explicit, pornographic or otherwise violates our Rules and/or the Terms of Use and Privacy Policies. While we want to encourage creative, original and thought-provoking discussions. The forums are not intended to be a free forum for personal attacks on others or a forum to make disparaging remarks about any person or entity. Nothing you do should interfere with anyone else's use and enjoyment of the Web Site; or
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Cooperman said:
However, feel free to tell them what you think in the nicest possible way.
"I say, chaps, I really don't agree with the tone and image created by this stand. Why don't you all go forth and multiply immediately"
Would that be OK?
No because to be perfectly honest with you I don't agree with anything that you have said.
And what do the pratnerships hope to achieve from this? reduce bike sales? If the point is to highlight the 'speed kills' mantra I still fail to see the relevance or impact such a crass display will achieve.
My suggestion would be to let them get on with it as their more recent media attempts seem to be painting them in a rather lunatic, tasteless and sensationalist light
ediod fur spilling
>> Edited by apache on Friday 4th November 11:33
My suggestion would be to let them get on with it as their more recent media attempts seem to be painting them in a rather lunatic, tasteless and sensationalist light
ediod fur spilling
>> Edited by apache on Friday 4th November 11:33
stayingalive said:
People who visit the show should make their feelings clear
Can I just remind you of the rules before you agreed to post your comment
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Think of the children? Do they ride bikes now?
Perhaps a better quote would have been "tell the w*nkers what you think of them. Remind them that SMIDSY's and poor road surfaces are doing far more to kill bikers than speeding ever does". At no point was the word abuse ever mentioned, that was your choice of emotive phrase.
Now as for calling everyone who works in a partnership a w*nker, well that is merely a statement of fact. Everyone masturbates. Personal sexual discovery is normal part of growing up, we all do it. In fact, to say that people who work in partnerships are not w*nkers would actually be a lie, and we couldn't have that, now could we? Would you prefer us to address people who work in scamera partnerships as onanists instead? I for one would be happy to oblige if it makes you happier.
apache said:
And what do the pratnerships hope to acheive from this? reduced bike sales? If the point is to highlight the 'speed kills' mantra I still fail to see the relevance or the impact such a crass display will acheive.
My suggestion would be to let them get on with it as their more recent media attempts seem to be painting them in a rather lunitic, tasteless and sensationalist light
You are all still talking about it so they must have acheived something! Good or bad, if you are talking about it then they have achieved their goal!
stayingalive said:
However, feel free to tell them what you think in the nicest possible way.
"I say, chaps, I really don't agree with the tone and image created by this stand. Why don't you all go forth and multiply immediately"
Would that be OK?
No because to be perfectly honest with you I don't agree with anything that you have said.
Yes, it is quite OK because I don't really care whether you agree with me or not. As far as I'm concerned this cash-collection mob with their tasteless little stand are not wanted in our society and neither are their 'non-jobs' needed, except for cash generation.
Get real, pal!
stayingalive said:
And what do the pratnerships hope to acheive from this? reduced bike sales? If the point is to highlight the 'speed kills' mantra I still fail to see the relevance or the impact such a crass display will acheive.
My suggestion would be to let them get on with it as their more recent media attempts seem to be painting them in a rather lunitic, tasteless and sensationalist light
You are all still talking about it so they must have acheived something! Good or bad, if you are talking about it then they have achieved their goal!
Achieved what? you haven't even considered the question. Made some people aware there are some seriously misguided action groups out there with sme very tasteless and obscure methods.
To be quite honest a tramp scrounging for change to fund his addiction to industrial strength cider makes a clearer point with considerably better tact and honesty than your bunch do
Imagine the parallels:
- an injured skier positioned with broken skis at a winter sports show
- a dead hang-glider pilot under a smashed glider at an air show
- a farmer squashed under a tractor at an agricultural show
- an injured marksman with bullet through head at a gun show
- a runner dead from exhaustion at a marathon.
I can't see any of these happening. They would all be considered to be in poor taste (at the very least). So why is it ok to have a dead motorcyclist beside a smashed bike at a bike show? I think I know. Imagine this parallel:
- an injured skateboarder beside a smashed board at a skateboarding show
Now that's something I could imagine. It would be aimed at getting the kids using boards to think more about the dangers of doing some of the extreme moves without the required skills/experience.
The point is, it's talking to children to get them to be more adult. And isn't that the approach taken by all these partnerships? They're treating adults as children, chiding and punishing us as if we're just too young to know better. Once we grow up we'll understand that all the partnerships do is for our own good and we'll be thankful in the end.
Well we probably all see adults driving like children. They're called boy racers. They're not pensioners caught at 35 in a 30 limit, or businessmen doing 90 on a motorway, or bikers doing 70 along the Cat and Fiddle. But where do these "parents" choose to focus their powers?
I think that of all the things that the partnerships do, it's actually the attitude with which they do it that is the most obnoxious thing about them. If only they realised that their attitude undermines any good they could possibly achieve, they themselves might grow up and relate to us as adults.
- an injured skier positioned with broken skis at a winter sports show
- a dead hang-glider pilot under a smashed glider at an air show
- a farmer squashed under a tractor at an agricultural show
- an injured marksman with bullet through head at a gun show
- a runner dead from exhaustion at a marathon.
I can't see any of these happening. They would all be considered to be in poor taste (at the very least). So why is it ok to have a dead motorcyclist beside a smashed bike at a bike show? I think I know. Imagine this parallel:
- an injured skateboarder beside a smashed board at a skateboarding show
Now that's something I could imagine. It would be aimed at getting the kids using boards to think more about the dangers of doing some of the extreme moves without the required skills/experience.
The point is, it's talking to children to get them to be more adult. And isn't that the approach taken by all these partnerships? They're treating adults as children, chiding and punishing us as if we're just too young to know better. Once we grow up we'll understand that all the partnerships do is for our own good and we'll be thankful in the end.
Well we probably all see adults driving like children. They're called boy racers. They're not pensioners caught at 35 in a 30 limit, or businessmen doing 90 on a motorway, or bikers doing 70 along the Cat and Fiddle. But where do these "parents" choose to focus their powers?
I think that of all the things that the partnerships do, it's actually the attitude with which they do it that is the most obnoxious thing about them. If only they realised that their attitude undermines any good they could possibly achieve, they themselves might grow up and relate to us as adults.
stayingalive said:
And what do the pratnerships hope to acheive from this? reduced bike sales? If the point is to highlight the 'speed kills' mantra I still fail to see the relevance or the impact such a crass display will acheive.
My suggestion would be to let them get on with it as their more recent media attempts seem to be painting them in a rather lunitic, tasteless and sensationalist light
You are all still talking about it so they must have acheived something! Good or bad, if you are talking about it then they have achieved their goal!
So it's ok for them to do something offensive, disgusting and inappropriate, providing that it achieves their goal?
If you are so keen on debate, then why don't you post the rationale for you think this stand is a good idea?
Quinny said:
People who visit the show should make their feelings clear
Can I just remind you of the rules before you agreed to post your comment
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2.)That consists of content that abuses, threatens, promotes, or instigates physical harm or death to others, or yourself; or
3.)That victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability;
I don't know who the hell you are, and I don't really care, but if anything about my post offends you may I suggest you report it to the appropriate authorities.
In other words tell someone who gives ayou sad little man.
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Friday 4th November 15:45
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Friday 4th November 15:46
Can I respectfully remind contributors to refrain from personal abuse, no matter how irate they may feel.
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