Camera Partnership stand at NEC bike show
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james_j said:
There was a "safety" camera scumbag business at the Festival Of Speed this year. How to ruin the atmosphere. They just weren't wanted.
The wiltshire mob were at Japfest and RallyCar day this year. They reacted poorly to some seriously pointed questions with respect to the Li 20-20.
Mr E said:
There was a "safety" camera scumbag business at the Festival Of Speed this year. How to ruin the atmosphere. They just weren't wanted.
The wiltshire mob were at Japfest and RallyCar day this year. They reacted poorly to some seriously pointed questions with respect to the Li 20-20.
Reacted "poorly". I'll bet they did!
The ones at the show weren't able to answer even a simple question - "how many of the crashes on the road you're depicting were caused by drivers or riders exceeding the speed limit?"
Answers ranged from "one third - probably" to "most of them".
When pressed for a little more precision (given that the whole point of this stand was to "illustrate" a road with a particularly high crash rate) they hadn't a clue.
Impressive?
Answers ranged from "one third - probably" to "most of them".
When pressed for a little more precision (given that the whole point of this stand was to "illustrate" a road with a particularly high crash rate) they hadn't a clue.
Impressive?
I have seen both the 3rd & 4th examples given as parallels, and believe they were justified with their presence. Education and Prevention I am in complete agreement with, hard hitting they brought people in for a second look as they tried to understand what had happened.
Where the dead biker case fauls foul in my book is the inabillity for the people showing it to say "This happened because" "We aim to prevent it by" etc instead the message being "if you speed you will die"
Where the dead biker case fauls foul in my book is the inabillity for the people showing it to say "This happened because" "We aim to prevent it by" etc instead the message being "if you speed you will die"
Peter Ward said:
Imagine the parallels:
- an injured skier positioned with broken skis at a winter sports show
- a dead hang-glider pilot under a smashed glider at an air show
- a farmer squashed under a tractor at an agricultural show
- an injured marksman with bullet through head at a gun show
- a runner dead from exhaustion at a marathon.
I can't see any of these happening. They would all be considered to be in poor taste (at the very least). So why is it ok to have a dead motorcyclist beside a smashed bike at a bike show?
stayingalive said:
3.)That victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability;
Bit lost on this one - exactly which of these groups does a scamera partnership come into
perhaps it wasn't the most sensitive way of doing it, but perhaps they were just drawing attention to the increasing number of bikers that are hurling themselves at the scenery with gay abandon, often with fatal results, and often with speed as a cause (yes, i know, nasty car drivers get in the way of saintly bike riders, and try to mow them down all the time), so perhaps if it makes a few bikers think a bit more, and slow down a bit on that dodgy country road, they may actually help to save lives.
Mr E said:
There was a "safety" camera scumbag business at the Festival Of Speed this year. How to ruin the atmosphere. They just weren't wanted.
The Wiltshire mob were at Japfest and RallyCar day this year. They reacted poorly to some seriously pointed questions with respect to the LTi 20-20.
Oops
- erm, that might have been me at RallyCar this year...I sort of got carried away when I saw a copper telling people how it worked and how accurate it was!!! 
Rather embarassed Becs and our friends who were with us!
Just the merest mention of walls travelling at 12mph seems to upset them!
apache said:
Achieved what?
Absolutely naff all apart from putting a few people off buying bikes, which to be fair will probly save more lives than trying to justify their companys' existance. To try and claim that a speed cam has anything to do with reducing bike accidents is almost fictitious, these people should have to present real facts before they're allowed to influence peoples minds. To blame accidents on speed rather than the real causes is simply dangerous and to claim that by driving at a set limit will save your life is laughable, why don't they put their money into something more constructive like training schemes to improve driver skills, I guess the answer to that is obvious? As ever the answer to all road accidents is to blame the cause on exceeding a speed limit!
It's quite amazing that after years of speed cams accidents still occur and yet the government and the police still see the remedy as speed reduction, there's children out there ffs, why does nobdy ever seem to think of them?
The stand opposite should have a burnt out scam on it to show what people think of their existance.
havoc said:
There was a "safety" camera scumbag business at the Festival Of Speed this year. How to ruin the atmosphere. They just weren't wanted.
The Wiltshire mob were at Japfest and RallyCar day this year. They reacted poorly to some seriously pointed questions with respect to the LTi 20-20.
Oops
Rather embarassed Becs and our friends who were with us!
Just the merest mention of walls travelling at 12mph seems to upset them!
Oh someone else did it as well? Good man..... No, I was interested, and asked a number of questions. When I started mentioning slip error and an identical device being banned in the US on accurace grounds he got very upset.
I favour the video camera approach when dealing with these pratnership idiots.
A friend with a video camera and you with the hidden microphone, then go ask em all the questions you can/want and post the video up on a server for all to see for themselves what a waste of carbon atoms they all are.
Dont give em an easy time
A friend with a video camera and you with the hidden microphone, then go ask em all the questions you can/want and post the video up on a server for all to see for themselves what a waste of carbon atoms they all are.
Dont give em an easy time
deltafox said:
I favour the video camera approach when dealing with these pratnership idiots.
A friend with a video camera and you with the hidden microphone, then go ask em all the questions you can/want and post the video up on a server for all to see for themselves what a waste of carbon atoms they all are.
Dont give em an easy time
That's a good idea. It's funny how they get all stroppy when presented with questions from the knowledgeable. Their only hope is to convince the gullible.
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