Government Partnerships Bombshell
Discussion
B 7 VP said:
Much more of interest is the item listed under the article---!"Force makes speed point without penalties".
The success of the Lincolnshire police force in Reducing accidents with a minimum number of scams, and defining what other reasons contribute to accidents, and then get other departments involved to solve problems, MUST be the answer.
>> Edited by B 7 VP on Saturday 5th November 12:00
Wonder
Article seem to say less scams mean less accident. Are they then saying scams don't work after all...
:scratcchin:- Durham has no scams und fewer accidents
Und accidents increase everywhere else -und Lancs reports (link posted in past thread somehwere) accident increas in 8 mont to Aug 05.) Yep - seem to show scams do not really work then
Policemen... more policemen .... who use discretion und professional judgement. What a novel idea!
But ... if objective ist to slow down drivers in potential black spot areas then ist onus to have visible police presence who can explain the danger if their professional judgement deems "dangerous".
hornet said:
Right, so fines are going to be "ring fenced" (horrible phrase) and used for other road improvments. So then, all that duty and tax we pay just to be on the road has been used for....?
Exactly, I thought the purpose of tax on fuel was to pay for roads and all be ploughed back into the system and yet this seems to have been forgotten, used elsewhere and now we have to pay even more on top, we'll need more tolls next when this money disappears.
Times online said:
The department wants them to follow the example of Lincolnshire, which has managed to reduce road casualties while issuing fewer tickets.
Lincs has it's share of Scameras but it's a large county with a small population. As an aside the infamous 'Ambulance Scam' was in Lincs and that 'Speed Nazi' Cop that went to Germany for a TV report, telling the German Trafpol to slow down was a Lincs plod. I don't think they have a big Police force and alot of the traffic is agricultural and I have witnessed some appalling standards of driving from many of the locals, No offence intended to anyone from Lincs but I hardly think they're a role model for best practice.
streaky said:
Cameras can be used in areas of "community concern" that have not had the required number of crashes, but only for 15 per cent of the total time they spend enforcing the limit.
Currently as widely reported camera's have to be placed at locations where there have been previous KSI (strictly speaking they have to be in the vincinty of and not the exactly locations including a different road) in order to follow guidelines for SCP
However, within the guidlines they are allowed to place upto 15% of their assets at locations which do not meet the KSI criteria. They can be placed at any location providing it is within the overall road safety strategy of the SCP eg villages where the locals complain or on fast dual carriageways, bottom of steep hills etc.
The article indicates that this 15% guideline will be revised upwards the net result is the SCP will be given carte blanche to place camera's where ever they see fit under the guise of responding to public demand.
This is nothing short of ramping up the war on motorists and will see camera's at the most profitable sites and not the most dangerous.
The proposal is all about increasing revenue and more camera's not less - don't fall for it.
From an establishment point of view there are two problems with SCP 1) they are not producing enough revenue to meet the billion pound shortfall after years of Labour spending more than UK plc earns and b) what they do earn they waste and silly things like new carpets in the office every year in order to ensure there costs equal their revenue.
The proposal seeks (effectively) to address these too short falls. It is about more camera's at locations where drivers exceed a speed limit (rather than dangerous areas)to increase revenue which will flow straight to treasury and not be wasted. The SCP managers will operate to the same targets and revenue generation as they are now.
>> Edited by bluepolarbear on Sunday 6th November 12:47
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