PC killed in shooting in Bradford
Discussion
hedders said:
A shooting's bad enough but shooting a wpc! Scumbag needs stoning to death by her family and colleagues. Then when he's dead we can stone him some more, assuming it was a bloke of course.
Boosted.
Ok...
I will probably get flamed for this....I don't see a difference in shooting a female cop or a male cop.
Isn't that what sexual equality is all about?
Likewise, I don't know why such emphasis is being put on gender designation. Although saying that, I saw a female officer get head-butted by a man she was trying help to into hospital a weeks back. Riled me a little it did.
I hope whoever did this gets into some serious sh*t.
Balmoral Green said:
Just caught this in the ITN news, terrible, I understand that the other WPC is in a critical condition. I cant believe what the news anchorman said at the end of the piece "If you have any photos or video of the incident from your mobile phone, then please send it to us here at the ITN newsdesk". Yeah, send it to ITN rather than the Police to help them in their search to catch the killer, an ITN scoop is much more important. The media get worse dont they?
Sky news asked for pics also ,,, sick
_VTEC_ said:
A shooting's bad enough but shooting a wpc! Scumbag needs stoning to death by her family and colleagues. Then when he's dead we can stone him some more, assuming it was a bloke of course.
Boosted.
Ok...
I will probably get flamed for this....I don't see a difference in shooting a female cop or a male cop.
Isn't that what sexual equality is all about?
Likewise, I don't know why such emphasis is being put on gender designation. Although saying that, I saw a female officer get head-butted by a man she was trying help to into hospital a weeks back. Riled me a little it did.
I hope whoever did this gets into some serious sh*t.
Lot of WPC killed in line of duty
1. Yvonne Fletcher und still no justice due to nature of the killing und where gun toting coward fled to
2. Jane Arbuthnot - dies in Harrods bombing
3. Alison Armitage - tracking a stolen car ringer gang und they mowed her down twice in a pub car park
Her killer was jailed for just 8 years which mena he does not serve all of it with nanny state rights. Und "Three meal und a cot" ist just too good for these scumbags. It would not be very polite nor very ladylike to post what I think should happen to them 4, Nina Mackay ist stabbed to death during raid on paranoid schizo who jumped bail
5. Angela Bradley jumped into Irish Sea at Blackpool to rescue drowning man und his dog. Her two colleagues dies with her.
6. Mandy Raynor died when a drunk smashed into her patrol car.
Whatever, these thugs do not discriminate betwen sexes und no doubt if the girls in travel agent had stood up to them - they would also be dead.
Und girlies in army have been shot in line of duty und what about the WW2 spies? (Films made of them - Madeleine, Odettte und cannot remember name of the other one - but they were shot!)
(light relief mode in tragic thread)
But am touched by gentlemanly comment und agree you men should protect us!
unbd hold doors for us und lay yourselves over puddles so we do not get our pedicured tootsies wet (light relief mode off) But to echo what lieber streaky und others have said - my heart felt feelings to the families und the BiB in Bradford, West Yorks und colleagues in every force as they all feel it when one of their own dies like this and so needlessly. I really hope that the person who did this ist locked up without parole und deprived of all perks in solitary confinement. If we had death penalty - then thise should be time on death row wondering when punishment will be carried out und made to understand why decent civilised society dislikes persons like this.
Balmoral Green said:
Just caught this in the ITN news, terrible, I understand that the other WPC is in a critical condition. I cant believe what the news anchorman said at the end of the piece "If you have any photos or video of the incident from your mobile phone, then please send it to us here at the ITN newsdesk". Yeah, send it to ITN rather than the Police to help them in their search to catch the killer, an ITN scoop is much more important. The media get worse dont they?
In fairness, given the state of policing these days (in how it is being governed I mean, not a criticism of the brave men and women on the streets) I reckon the media could get the evidence in quicker than the police, and make better use of it that the police. The media can publish the pictures ensuring that the police will see them, as opposed to the pictures languishing within the 'system'.
Been hearing more about this incident today. I'm really not sure I'm happy with having mothers approaching middle age policing our streets and facing armed w*nkers, regardless of waht the politically correct brigade think.
Been thinking about this for a while.
I am very upset of this, it even brings a tear to my eye. For the job we love and the avergae wage we take home, this doesnt fit fror what a few people are willing to do.
A travel agent, hardly a one job only for nice life in spain type thing. I would like to see stiffer actions available in the UK for standard offences, without the soul look at Terroism. I feel this is over shadowing modern legislation.
** Please not these are my views and not conflict with the official line taken by my home force. This doesnt consist of a political view of that of direct police business and my right to freedom of speech has been in-vocked**
I am very upset of this, it even brings a tear to my eye. For the job we love and the avergae wage we take home, this doesnt fit fror what a few people are willing to do.
A travel agent, hardly a one job only for nice life in spain type thing. I would like to see stiffer actions available in the UK for standard offences, without the soul look at Terroism. I feel this is over shadowing modern legislation.
** Please not these are my views and not conflict with the official line taken by my home force. This doesnt consist of a political view of that of direct police business and my right to freedom of speech has been in-vocked**
Robbo SPS said:
** Please not these are my views and not conflict with the official line taken by my home force. This doesnt consist of a political view of that of direct police business and my right to freedom of speech has been in-vocked**
Very sad event - if they have got the perpetrators, I hope they never see unstriped daylight again.
And another thank you to the BiB who post on PH, in spite of political pressures (result in disclaimers like the above) and abusive pressures from some PHers.
Your contributions are much appreciated.
heebeegeetee said:Could be a slippery slope though. Imagine if some low life had gotten valuable pictures, calls the media and demands money for them. The media may pay for them, they may not. So how about said low life asking the Police to pay for them? If anyone has any info, any civilised person would go to the Police, not start fannying around with the media or demanding monies. I wonder if a professional had gotten some pics, would they go to the Police, or go for syndication? Personally, I feel that information like this should not be up for grabs for money or glory, it should go to the Police.
Just caught this in the ITN news, terrible, I understand that the other WPC is in a critical condition. I cant believe what the news anchorman said at the end of the piece "If you have any photos or video of the incident from your mobile phone, then please send it to us here at the ITN newsdesk". Yeah, send it to ITN rather than the Police to help them in their search to catch the killer, an ITN scoop is much more important. The media get worse dont they?
In fairness, given the state of policing these days (in how it is being governed I mean, not a criticism of the brave men and women on the streets) I reckon the media could get the evidence in quicker than the police, and make better use of it that the police. The media can publish the pictures ensuring that the police will see them, as opposed to the pictures languishing within the 'system'.
Been hearing more about this incident today. I'm really not sure I'm happy with having mothers approaching middle age policing our streets and facing armed w*nkers, regardless of waht the politically correct brigade think.
poorcardealer said:
Bradford has a terrible problem with guns on the streets, young asians mostly........
I thought long and hard about commenting here, 'cos the main point is that everyone is genuinely on the side of the BiB, and expressing sympathy. Sounds like you've got 'em (well they've been arrested anyway).
BUT, the comment about a terrible problem with guns on the streets [of Bradford] is b@ll@cks, absolute unadulterated b@ll'ocks.
I've lived in and around Bradford all my life, and I've mixed with the good, the bad and the ugly, and it is NOT as bad as poorcardealer (there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one) is making out.
Yes, some parts of Bradford are rough. Some are great. Some Asians are bad. Some are wonderful. Some villians live in Bradford. Some wonderful people live in Bradford. Yes there was a riot. There used to be massive violence at Bradford City and Park Avenue. It's a normal big city, it's not New York 20 years ago.
Biased comments like this don't help the area, and paint a false picture. How about talking about the peace rally, or the Dewali festival, or the Christmas lights, or the Bronte heritage, or the World Heritage status for Saltaire, or the massive regeneration programme, or the Theatre (2 minutes away from the incident), or St. Georges Hall (just had Lee Evans), or the best curry in England, or the generally excellent policing, or the National Film Museum.
In my many many many years of living, working and shopping in Bradford I've come across few genuinely major incidents. The only time I've come across a gun it was a white guy. My most upsetting time was when I had my Christmas shopping nicked from under my nose (I put it down in M&S and walked away..dick head).
Comments like this don't help the people living here, don't help the integration, dont help the business regeneration, and dont help the BiB, particularly at this distressing time. I was caught up in the incident on Friday, and put up with it, not only 'cos my thoughts were with the BiB involved, but because it is very very rare.
I presume that poorcardealer has moved away if it's that bad. Good.
Anyone think there is either more to this than meets the (public) eye, or that a publicist is at work? I put forward for your consideration:
1) the closing down of a very large area surrounding the shooting (a much wider area than was closed off when Tasawar Hussain was shot dead in similar circumstances);
2) the armed guard on PC Teresa Milburn in hospital (at least two armed officers accompanied her on her brief public appearance yesterday);
3) the armed convoy bearing those arrested in London back to Bradford.
If there is a credible threat to those involved in the investigation or a credible threat that those arrested would be "sprung" from the convoy, the measures being taken would be understandable ... but is that (especially the latter) realistic?
Streaky
1) the closing down of a very large area surrounding the shooting (a much wider area than was closed off when Tasawar Hussain was shot dead in similar circumstances);
2) the armed guard on PC Teresa Milburn in hospital (at least two armed officers accompanied her on her brief public appearance yesterday);
3) the armed convoy bearing those arrested in London back to Bradford.
If there is a credible threat to those involved in the investigation or a credible threat that those arrested would be "sprung" from the convoy, the measures being taken would be understandable ... but is that (especially the latter) realistic?
Streaky
Any comments relating to the announcement that the arrests made following a getaway car being traced by the ANPR Ring of Steel cameras and the "Big Fish" computer database?
see www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,170-1881605,00.html
see www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,170-1881605,00.html
streaky said:
Anyone think there is either more to this than meets the (public) eye, or that a publicist is at work? I put forward for your consideration:
1) the closing down of a very large area surrounding the shooting (a much wider area than was closed off when Tasawar Hussain was shot dead in similar circumstances);
2) the armed guard on PC Teresa Milburn in hospital (at least two armed officers accompanied her on her brief public appearance yesterday);
3) the armed convoy bearing those arrested in London back to Bradford.
If there is a credible threat to those involved in the investigation or a credible threat that those arrested would be "sprung" from the convoy, the measures being taken would be understandable ... but is that (especially the latter) realistic?
Streaky
We must have come out of the same cynical mould. Also couldn't help noticing high profile armed guard around the SoC perimeter fence and two uniforms permanently on duty by the flower tributes. Why?
Flat in Fifth said:
Any comments relating to the announcement that the arrests made following a getaway car being traced by the ANPR Ring of Steel cameras and the "Big Fish" computer database?
see www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,170-1881605,00.html
Doubtful credibility, if you think about it what could it have given that a CCTV system couldn't? If they were tracking it "within minutes" why didn't they stop the car? I couldn't imagine they would trail the car all the way back to London. If they were stupid enough to use their own car then CCTV stills would have got them the plate, otherwise it would have got them very little.
Methinks it was of some benefit but that there is some ANPR funding decision due soon....
Gareth
I have heard from several serving officers I know, that they do not wish to be armed, but increasing the number of armed officers would stem a lot of the mouth-breathing, piss-the-bed political-correctness brigade's activities. They can get scrotes off a charge easily using their psychobabble, but they can't get the bastards off a slab!!!
My sincere condolences to the families, friends and fellow officers of these two brave souls.
Hopefully the perpetrators will be brought to justice with a sufficiently lengthy sentence and, with any luck, sodomised several times daily throughout.
My sincere condolences to the families, friends and fellow officers of these two brave souls.
Hopefully the perpetrators will be brought to justice with a sufficiently lengthy sentence and, with any luck, sodomised several times daily throughout.
POORCARDEALER You complete and utter 
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How can you say that its mostly asians! When the shooters were 2 black and 1 asian guy!
So dont single just the asians out just because we have the more asians then white people in bradford!
There are more shooting's in nottingham, london, manchester and midlands in 1 day then there have been in bradford in the last year so keep your!
Two officers have been killed and all you can say is that the cause is asian youth!
This incident makes it worse for asians in bradford! You think that the police are going to be leniant with anyone here now!
Because of this i will be applying for the forces!
Come on people, i was not the best friend of the law and couldnt really stand them and im sorry to say that such a bad incident has changed my view but it has. I finally realise what these outstanding men and women have to go through.
My respects go out to the family and friends of all those affected!
May WPC sharon rest in peace
>> Edited by ya55erm on Tuesday 22 November 08:56
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 22 November 09:03
! How can you say that its mostly asians! When the shooters were 2 black and 1 asian guy!
So dont single just the asians out just because we have the more asians then white people in bradford!
There are more shooting's in nottingham, london, manchester and midlands in 1 day then there have been in bradford in the last year so keep your
! Two officers have been killed and all you can say is that the cause is asian youth!
This incident makes it worse for asians in bradford! You think that the police are going to be leniant with anyone here now!
Because of this i will be applying for the forces!
Come on people, i was not the best friend of the law and couldnt really stand them and im sorry to say that such a bad incident has changed my view but it has. I finally realise what these outstanding men and women have to go through.
My respects go out to the family and friends of all those affected!
May WPC sharon rest in peace
>> Edited by ya55erm on Tuesday 22 November 08:56
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 22 November 09:03
ya55erm said:
POORCARDEALER You complete and utter
How can you say that its mostly asians! When the shooters were 2 black and 1 asian guy!
So dont single just the asians out just because we have the more asians then white people in bradford!
There are more shooting's in nottingham, london, manchester and midlands in 1 day then there have been in bradford in the last year so keep your
Two officers have been killed and all you can say is that the cause is asian youth!
This incident makes it worse for asians in bradford! You think that the police are going to be leniant with anyone here now!
Because of this i will be applying for the forces!
Come on people, i was not the best friend of the law and couldnt really stand them and im sorry to say that such a bad incident has changed my view but it has. I finally realise what these outstanding men and women have to go through.
My respects go out to the family and friends of all those affected!
May WPC sharon rest in peace
>> Edited by ya55erm on Tuesday 22 November 08:56
>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 22 November 09:03
ya55erm - I agree fully with ya, see my response to 'poorcardealer' on the first page. His post doesn't help the BiB and doesn't help the rest of us. You know his comments are b@ll@cks, I know his comments are b@ll@cks, but hey, racism abounds, right.
Good luck with the forces, but don't start off with the assumption that the everyday PC Plod will now take it out on the Asians. You wouldn't, so why would they.
Lets not let idiots like poorcardealer take away the main point, that someone has been shot and a family totally fikked up.
Big Fat F'er said:
ya55erm - I agree fully with ya, see my response to 'poorcardealer' on the first page. His post doesn't help the BiB and doesn't help the rest of us. You know his comments are b@ll@cks, I know his comments are b@ll@cks, but hey, racism abounds, right.
Steady on there, I think poorcardealer's comment was ill judged and ignorant, but let's not condemn people as racists unless we have proof.
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