Speed and Law. PLEASE HELP!!
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I am sure there was a Forum here called 'Speed, Plod and the Law' where is it?
Any way I need some advice, I got pulled over the other day doing 91mph on a dual carriage-way (the A64 from Scarborough towards York)
There are no speed camera signs or any warning that police are operating in that area.
The kind Police man (alone) was waiting on a off ramp, so not at all visible and then he took my speed reading from behind.
What I want to know is, shall I bother requesting a court hearing (I don't want three points on my clean licence) or is everything here above board?
I just thought we were allowed some kind of warning! Please Help me PHers!
Any way I need some advice, I got pulled over the other day doing 91mph on a dual carriage-way (the A64 from Scarborough towards York)
There are no speed camera signs or any warning that police are operating in that area.
The kind Police man (alone) was waiting on a off ramp, so not at all visible and then he took my speed reading from behind.
What I want to know is, shall I bother requesting a court hearing (I don't want three points on my clean licence) or is everything here above board?
I just thought we were allowed some kind of warning! Please Help me PHers!
Either take the 60 squid taxation, or take it to court where you have a democratic right to discuss the matter with a judge. b. 13.
Now if you were a local to the Scarborough, Malton, York area you would know that bit of road is one of the more notorious in North Yorkshire and has an atrocious accident record. Any other County and it would be awash with flashing yellow boxes but so far has been resisted. Speed enforcement is undertaken by the very method you mention. Was in the downhill section at Whitwell where you succummed to the heavy right foot?.
Naughty boy.
Anyhow unless you have 9 points on your Licence you will be pleased (not a lot)to learn the Fixed Penalty Ticket presumed issued - pay £60 (kerching) and 3 points on the counterpart, stands, as 96mph and over would mean an automatic Court appearance as a lesson.I would consider accepting this.
And no there is no get out that there was no warning signs speed enforcement was taking place.
dvd
Now if you were a local to the Scarborough, Malton, York area you would know that bit of road is one of the more notorious in North Yorkshire and has an atrocious accident record. Any other County and it would be awash with flashing yellow boxes but so far has been resisted. Speed enforcement is undertaken by the very method you mention. Was in the downhill section at Whitwell where you succummed to the heavy right foot?.
Naughty boy.
Anyhow unless you have 9 points on your Licence you will be pleased (not a lot)to learn the Fixed Penalty Ticket presumed issued - pay £60 (kerching) and 3 points on the counterpart, stands, as 96mph and over would mean an automatic Court appearance as a lesson.I would consider accepting this.
And no there is no get out that there was no warning signs speed enforcement was taking place.
dvd
Sounds like the Dual-carriageway's between the deadly bits. It's the bits in-between that tend to attract the crashes the bit between Malton and Welburn being particually nasty. That road has too many engineered in death traps. The Bit between Staxton and Scarborough isn't nice either.
blunder13,
I am afraid that there is not much of a get-out on these cases. Even though I challenged the allogations against me as they were false, it ended up being a 6 point and £300 fine for 92 in a similar situation.
Bear this in mind if you are thinking of challenging the case, especially if you think the given speed is true!
That said however, if there could have been either yourself or someone else driving the car at that time, and you honestly cant remember, then it is the Police/Crown/CPS to prove it was you driving to be able to convict you.
Keep that in mind.
I am afraid that there is not much of a get-out on these cases. Even though I challenged the allogations against me as they were false, it ended up being a 6 point and £300 fine for 92 in a similar situation.
Bear this in mind if you are thinking of challenging the case, especially if you think the given speed is true!
That said however, if there could have been either yourself or someone else driving the car at that time, and you honestly cant remember, then it is the Police/Crown/CPS to prove it was you driving to be able to convict you.
Keep that in mind.
justinp1 said:
blunder13,
That said however, if there could have been either yourself or someone else driving the car at that time, and you honestly cant remember, then it is the Police/Crown/CPS to prove it was you driving to be able to convict you.
And the key word here is 'honestly' - lying in court is an extremely bad idea, and likely, if caught, to be punished by much higher penalties than you would get for speeding.
justinp1 said:
blunder13,
That said however, if there could have been either yourself or someone else driving the car at that time, and you honestly cant remember, then it is the Police/Crown/CPS to prove it was you driving to be able to convict you.
Keep that in mind.
that wont work...he was actually stopped by a real policeman, who quite probably wrote the ticket out there and then, and asked him his name....so if you suddenly cant remember who was driving the car, they might take his license away on medical grounds for his own safety, just in case he forgets how to drive one day.
eccles said:
blunder13,
That said however, if there could have been either yourself or someone else driving the car at that time, and you honestly cant remember, then it is the Police/Crown/CPS to prove it was you driving to be able to convict you.
Keep that in mind.
that wont work...he was actually stopped by a real policeman, who quite probably wrote the ticket out there and then, and asked him his name....so if you suddenly cant remember who was driving the car, they might take his license away on medical grounds for his own safety, just in case he forgets how to drive one day.
You are of course quite right! I guess I must have skimmed over the 'I got pulled over' bit... and assumed he got an NIP in the post.
If it was on a downramp from Scarborough to York the only place it could be was the A169 Pickering road at Malton, am I right? They do have a habit of waiting there, one of my colleagues got done at 117 there (ouch!).
The long straight beyond that spot is pretty safe until you get to the Malton exit at the bottom of Golden Hill.
The long straight beyond that spot is pretty safe until you get to the Malton exit at the bottom of Golden Hill.
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