RE: Mobile speed trap numbers explode
Discussion
stenniso said:
If you simply play the probabilities, you are more likely to get caught for speeding than you are to be prosecuted for having a radar detector.
A good point. There is such a lack of police presence on our roads, it's unlikely you'd get stopped. Just don't have any tell-tale sucker-pads on your windscreen, just in case a traffic warden or community officer records your plate when you've parked.
I reckon I could probably remove both number plates and tax disc from my car, and get away with driving it to and from work everyday.
I have driven a certain vehicle for over 3 years with no front no. plate and the tax disk in the glove box - no pull or interest what so ever. Bloody typical then that I went passed a mobile camara van in my other car and got done for 63 in a 50 that was a 70 until they started using camera vans.....says it all really.
As for the comments on detectors, my Bell Euro 550 went wrong a while back the dealer had it back and couldn't fix it so it went back to Bell in Holland. Got it back today still broken but paid £80 for a recon. 550 - well worth it. I've owned loads of detectors over the years and this is the best. Pics up plod held laser guns with plenty of time to slow.
Be warned though the mobile camera van got me with the Bell and the Road Angel (with laser detector) on and I didn't get one beep from either. I understand that this is down to the fine beam the equipment in the vans use, so litle scatter and divergence that unless the detector is right next to where you were targetted it wont pick it up.
At least in Kent they still mark the camera vans - whats these look-a-like breakdown vans they are using in Norfolk??
I don't understand the statement in the paper that putting a mobile van makes it safer. It doesn't slow the motorist down only punishers those who are driving over the limit, but it has neither slowed them down or made them safer. Maybe they need to be fitted with big magnets to repel the cars and slow them down?
I drive lots of miles and see some really bad/mad driving but only about 1% of the time is speed involved. Its nearly always bad lane positioning (mostly roundabouts) and no observation. Yet by the message the gov is giving out this is all safe as they were not breaking the speed limit. The latest craze I've noticed is people driving with both their side mirrors folded in - how the hell can they be safe if they have no mirrors!!!!!!!
Towing is another, most people dive no differently these day if they are towing or not. Cameras can't tell the difference and there are less and less police about that can.
Towing is another, most people dive no differently these day if they are towing or not. Cameras can't tell the difference and there are less and less police about that can.
I'm cuurently awaiting a verdict for going to fast on a very wide dual carriageway no where near any populated places, no pavement - nobdoy told me it was 40! A 40?!?!? Whats the need for it to be a 40? It was a 70 no that long ago!
Court hearing was today apparently (pleaded guilty by post)
I've since learnt that it was indeed a money trap rather than a speed trap, they're there only in the summer at peak times. I know 4 people who have also been caught out on the very same strecth of road.
Absolute joke, and poor one at that.
Court hearing was today apparently (pleaded guilty by post)
I've since learnt that it was indeed a money trap rather than a speed trap, they're there only in the summer at peak times. I know 4 people who have also been caught out on the very same strecth of road.
Absolute joke, and poor one at that.
IMHO Talivans are far worse than fixed cameras, I think they are supposed to stick to the ACPO guidelines / rules in visibility but a lot of the ones I've seen have been hidden away as well as the operators can manage. Its all about catching people out and nothing about road safety
I wonder if their unpublished agenda is to get points onto as many peoples licenses as possible by whatever trickery they can manage ?
The theory being that once someone has points they'll drive more slowly as a result although I think they'll just spend more time looking for vans and less on looking at the road
I wonder if their unpublished agenda is to get points onto as many peoples licenses as possible by whatever trickery they can manage ?
The theory being that once someone has points they'll drive more slowly as a result although I think they'll just spend more time looking for vans and less on looking at the road "...So the fact that there's been a significant increase in mobile speed traps is hardly surprising, as GPS-based camera warning systems will not pick these up. You might wonder why the Government bothered leaving them legal..."
It's pretty obvious this would happen.
...and they want to ban detectors which warned of mobile traps...
leaving the only legal ones (i.e. GPS) unable to detect them...
...and a halt on further gatso installations has been called...
Has anyone figured out what's going on yet?...
It's pretty obvious this would happen.
...and they want to ban detectors which warned of mobile traps...
leaving the only legal ones (i.e. GPS) unable to detect them...
...and a halt on further gatso installations has been called...
Has anyone figured out what's going on yet?...
Steve-B said:
it is now time to leave the UK, screw the bar stewards in gub'mnt
with less funds/taxes/rape, and be done with it.
Feel free to leave if you want to.
Most of my mates have already left. The few remaining are
filling in forms and doing language courses to leave as well.
It must be something I said ;->
Be warned that other countries have taxes too, not all as low
as the basic UK rate of about 23%, or the higher rate of 40%.
phillipj said:
A policeman friend of mine has told me that the Regulations governing the use and enforcability of mobile Cameras require the operator to be a police officer or supervised by a police officer.
I wonder how many of them are? Seeing as how they are organised by civilian partnerships?
He also told me that Avon and Somerset Constabulary have stopped using mobile camera vans as they are so much trouble to man.
Apparently a Wiltshire polic officer boasted to him that the speed cameras on the M4 are so good that to put a camera there is like "printing money"!!!!
I was done on the A36? Bath to M4 by a talivan from Avon and somerset constablularly fairly recently. Nice to know they have criminalised one more of the general populace to add to there ever expanding database of criminal info that no-one is allowed to see. Mayse they are trying to get everyone on there?
edited due to crimal spelling
>> Edited by widjit on Wednesday 11th January 18:53
james_j said:
"...So the fact that there's been a significant increase in mobile speed traps is hardly surprising, as GPS-based camera warning systems will not pick these up. You might wonder why the Government bothered leaving them legal..."
It's pretty obvious this would happen.
...and they want to ban detectors which warned of mobile traps...
leaving the only legal ones (i.e. GPS) unable to detect them...
...and a halt on further gatso installations has been called...
Has anyone figured out what's going on yet?...
Yes, and I think several of us made this comment last year when the gov't announced it wasn't going to implement more fixed cameras. It's a typical new labour move to say something that looks good, is true, but not the whole truth.
I'll risk it!
Time to abandon this sinking ship called the UK!!
So many other places to live and work with such a better lifestyle!!
Soon the UK will be full of poeple from all over the world that will come from a country worse off than us, and all the british well have joined the majority and skiped boat too!!!
>> Edited by pitcrew on Wednesday 11th January 19:18
Time to abandon this sinking ship called the UK!!
So many other places to live and work with such a better lifestyle!!
Soon the UK will be full of poeple from all over the world that will come from a country worse off than us, and all the british well have joined the majority and skiped boat too!!!
>> Edited by pitcrew on Wednesday 11th January 19:18
The answer to all this, every motorist who gets a ticket go to
court. Plead guilty but jam up the court time. They will soon
stop issuing so many stupid ticket criminalising so many motorists
when the courts just can't cope. Then maybe, just maybe someone may start
talking sense on speed.
Also when you see a talivan, ring the Police to tell them about :-
A dodgy bloke sat in the back of a van taking pictures of people
or ring to complain about a road safety issue as people are driving badly,
slowing down dramatically where the van is sited and that they are going to
cause an accident.
If it is a safety camera partnership van, get out and engage the scamera operator
in conversation standing infront of his lens. He can't do anything because he is a civvy
and has no powers to move you on, etc etc.
court. Plead guilty but jam up the court time. They will soon
stop issuing so many stupid ticket criminalising so many motorists
when the courts just can't cope. Then maybe, just maybe someone may start
talking sense on speed.
Also when you see a talivan, ring the Police to tell them about :-
A dodgy bloke sat in the back of a van taking pictures of people
or ring to complain about a road safety issue as people are driving badly,
slowing down dramatically where the van is sited and that they are going to
cause an accident.
If it is a safety camera partnership van, get out and engage the scamera operator
in conversation standing infront of his lens. He can't do anything because he is a civvy
and has no powers to move you on, etc etc.
has anyone got his contact details? Well, I for one, don't spend any leisure money here anymore, I never holiday here, only Scotland to see friends that's all. And it's all because of these policies......it's not worth it to risk my licence....my job.
I'll board a ship or plane and holiday elsewhere spending freely without being hassled, they can have their empty roads if they want to, pity about the tourist and leisure industry that we used to have isn't it?...
During the day, my employer will have to wait while I take twice as long to get to that emergency which could cost him thousands if not millions of pounds, because I'm NOT risking my licence for him, even at 3am in the morning on a clear, dry straight road. RIP British industry....and all for what?...
I'll board a ship or plane and holiday elsewhere spending freely without being hassled, they can have their empty roads if they want to, pity about the tourist and leisure industry that we used to have isn't it?...
During the day, my employer will have to wait while I take twice as long to get to that emergency which could cost him thousands if not millions of pounds, because I'm NOT risking my licence for him, even at 3am in the morning on a clear, dry straight road. RIP British industry....and all for what?...
Yesterday I had to slam on the brakes and take evasive action behind another car. I have heard that changing lanes quickly gives you a bit more time.
Hopefully the beam would have then been fixed on the car in front.
What really annoys me is the total lack of regard for the way I had been driving for the 100 odd previous miles, IE courteously, giving way to other motorists etc etc. I suppose I must now wait the 14 days to see whether I was copped or not.
The real annoyance though was that the camera van was parked on a downhill motorway stretch between Tebay and kendal, on my return journey it was at shap.
Anyone who uses these roads regularly really knows what a densly populated stretch of motorway with high casualty rate it is????? Think not.
What we all need to do is start an information chain to filter to every motorist in the UK to drive deliberately at 10mph below the actual speed limits rigourously for 1 week. This I have heard would cripple the income stream paying for the cameras?? Don't know if it is true but might be worth a try.
Neil.
Hopefully the beam would have then been fixed on the car in front.
What really annoys me is the total lack of regard for the way I had been driving for the 100 odd previous miles, IE courteously, giving way to other motorists etc etc. I suppose I must now wait the 14 days to see whether I was copped or not.
The real annoyance though was that the camera van was parked on a downhill motorway stretch between Tebay and kendal, on my return journey it was at shap.
Anyone who uses these roads regularly really knows what a densly populated stretch of motorway with high casualty rate it is????? Think not.
What we all need to do is start an information chain to filter to every motorist in the UK to drive deliberately at 10mph below the actual speed limits rigourously for 1 week. This I have heard would cripple the income stream paying for the cameras?? Don't know if it is true but might be worth a try.
Neil.
I think the biggest clue I have seen yet to show the Mobile Vans are NOT all about safety, was seen the other day. There i s a school, local to me, that is approached from either direction going uphill. Bare in mind this was at school throwing out time, Thee was a "Safety" camera just PAST the school on the downhill bit, not before the school catching people speeding toward it (which would have been acceptable in my eyes). I think that it was there because of the number of speeders it would catch on the "(quite steep) hill, as its presence there did nothing to enhance the safety for the children coming out of the school, and using the crossing which is at the top of the hill.
I was speechless and could not believe where it was located. Safety my as*!
I was speechless and could not believe where it was located. Safety my as*!
If the Talivan doesn't adhere to the ACPO code (location/visibility) & you'd like to point that out when in court, all the prosecution will say is "they're just guidelines".
What I'd like to know is, has anybody taken a representative from ACPO into court to speak about what the code is for and state that it cannot just be ignored by the scamera partnerships? Would it make any difference whatsoever do you think?
Germany was the 1st country to put up speed cameras & the 1st to take them down (due to them all being less than accurate) weren't they?
Apologies if slightly off topic.
What I'd like to know is, has anybody taken a representative from ACPO into court to speak about what the code is for and state that it cannot just be ignored by the scamera partnerships? Would it make any difference whatsoever do you think?
Germany was the 1st country to put up speed cameras & the 1st to take them down (due to them all being less than accurate) weren't they?
Apologies if slightly off topic.
As others have already pointed out the move to mobile units could be predicted over a year ago once the 'guidelines' allowed for 15% of detection (and who is likely to measure that?) to be enacted outside the formal guidelines as 'responses to requests from the public'.
From that point and right through the most recent series of announcements about stopping any further installations of cameras, the disingenuous hand of this overtly devious government can be seen guiding events, no matter who they claim is 'responsible', to suit their own ends related to - well, who can tell? If they say it is one thing it is probably something else.
My guess is that the ROI from mobile units, even with the band of jolly coppers claiming overtime, offers better opportunities for highway robbery than the fixed sites. From the government's point of view it also re-inforces the big brother message about being dominated from above.
And the public likes that. Must do because it keeps demanding more of the same. "Why doesn't the government DO something about <insert cause of choice>"
I always wondered about the stories of women (I'm sure it applies almost equally to men but will never be admitted) who don't recognise that they are are attracted to abusive relationships for reasons they don't seem to understand. I have met or heard of several over the years where the details have become known through various conversations and the one clear message is that, for what ever reason at the time, they would not have felt 'safe' outside the relationship. Better the devil you know than the devill you don't?
In one case the lady involved seemed unable to settle in any form of relationship (other than general friendship) with average men, no matter how broad the meaning of 'average' might be. Always she had to be seeking relationships at the extremes of personality and excitement which seemed to mean being messed about and dominated much of the time, allowing her to bemoan her fate and exhibit her freedom of spirit - which she undoubtedly possessed.
I think the UK public is much the same. Wishes to be 'free' but, other than drink fuelled yobbish behaviour, en masse hasn't a clue how to move forward and looks to political leaders (of all sorts) to provide guidance.
Which is probably where the fighting spirit comes from when there seems to be no question about who or what is the enemy. Traditionally the Brits seem to have been people who made excellent cannon fodder.
Mobile Scamera operators are just people who enjoy getting paid whilst having fun playing a game which is quite similar to paintballing. But one sided paintballing.
Sadly it seems that many other parts of the world, to which one might wish to escape, are very much the same if you look at the overall picture.
From that point and right through the most recent series of announcements about stopping any further installations of cameras, the disingenuous hand of this overtly devious government can be seen guiding events, no matter who they claim is 'responsible', to suit their own ends related to - well, who can tell? If they say it is one thing it is probably something else.
My guess is that the ROI from mobile units, even with the band of jolly coppers claiming overtime, offers better opportunities for highway robbery than the fixed sites. From the government's point of view it also re-inforces the big brother message about being dominated from above.
And the public likes that. Must do because it keeps demanding more of the same. "Why doesn't the government DO something about <insert cause of choice>"
I always wondered about the stories of women (I'm sure it applies almost equally to men but will never be admitted) who don't recognise that they are are attracted to abusive relationships for reasons they don't seem to understand. I have met or heard of several over the years where the details have become known through various conversations and the one clear message is that, for what ever reason at the time, they would not have felt 'safe' outside the relationship. Better the devil you know than the devill you don't?
In one case the lady involved seemed unable to settle in any form of relationship (other than general friendship) with average men, no matter how broad the meaning of 'average' might be. Always she had to be seeking relationships at the extremes of personality and excitement which seemed to mean being messed about and dominated much of the time, allowing her to bemoan her fate and exhibit her freedom of spirit - which she undoubtedly possessed.
I think the UK public is much the same. Wishes to be 'free' but, other than drink fuelled yobbish behaviour, en masse hasn't a clue how to move forward and looks to political leaders (of all sorts) to provide guidance.
Which is probably where the fighting spirit comes from when there seems to be no question about who or what is the enemy. Traditionally the Brits seem to have been people who made excellent cannon fodder.
Mobile Scamera operators are just people who enjoy getting paid whilst having fun playing a game which is quite similar to paintballing. But one sided paintballing.
Sadly it seems that many other parts of the world, to which one might wish to escape, are very much the same if you look at the overall picture.
Interesting perspective. There does appear to be a large proportion of society who are followers and require someone to tell them what to do before they become motivated, (polite-speak for a size 9 up the bottom 
).
I guess, there wouln't be leaders if there weren't people prepared to follow
). I guess, there wouln't be leaders if there weren't people prepared to follow
I am a taxi driver around chester and regularly see mobile cameras in use. There's a speed camera on the road out of wrexham towards holt that faces towards wrexham (gatso) that flashes cars in both directions, so be warned! Its in a 30 mph zone. It flashed me a couple of weeks ago and now I'm waiting to see if I hear anything.
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