Pond Life - I pay for these people out of my Tax?
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I think for the limit to be 60 you have to actually display the 60 limit and have the unladen weight of the car displayed and the trailer must comply with certain weight restrictions. Unless these conditions are complied with the limit is 50 I believe. Can look it up but its not dead straigtforward.
nonegreen said:
I think for the limit to be 60 you have to actually display the 60 limit and have the unladen weight of the car displayed and the trailer must comply with certain weight restrictions. Unless these conditions are complied with the limit is 50 I believe. Can look it up but its not dead straigtforward.
It is straight forward! Here's the HC link
60 mph max for car towing trailer on the motorway, and not allowed on the right land lane of +2lane motorway.
Most trafpol are fairly strict with that one, and I'd generally do the same myself, although virtually all of the combinations I've stuck on for outside lane have also been up at 75 plus.
Here's the complicated version of the speed regs. (Edited to add - all pneumatically tyred vehicles not mentioned below are subject to NSL
) The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 provides traffic authorities with the authority to regulate traffic within their area. Part I of Schedule 6 to the Act imposes maximum speed limits on vehicles fitted with pneumatic tyres on all wheels on various types of road.
Item 1.
A passenger vehicle, motor caravan or dual-purpose vehicle not drawing a trailer being a vehicle with an unladen weight exceeding 3.05 tonnes or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers, is limited to a maximum speed of:
70 mph whilst being driven on a motorway,
(60 mph if the overall length exceeds 12 metres)
60 mph on a dual-carriageway not being a motorway, and
50 mph on any other road.
Item 2.
An invalid carriage is limited to a maximum speed of 20 mph.
Item 3..
A passenger vehicle, motor caravan, car-derived van or dual-purpose vehicle drawing one trailer is limited to a maximum speed of:
60 mph on a motorway or dual-carriageway, and
50 mph on any other road.
Item 4.
A passenger vehicle, motor caravan, car-derived van or dual-purpose vehicle drawing more than one trailer is limited to a maximum speed of:
40 mph on a motorway, and
20 mph elsewhere.
Item 5.
A goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight not exceeding 7.5 tonnes and which is not an articulated vehicle, or drawing a trailer, or a car-derived van is limited to a maximum speed of:
70 mph on a motorway,
60 mph on a dual-carriageway not being a motorway, and
50 mph on any other road.
Item 5(2)(a).
A goods vehicle which is an articulated vehicle having a maximum laden weight not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, or a motor vehicle, not being a car-derived van, which is drawing one trailer and the aggregate maximum laden weight of the motor vehicle and the trailer does not exceed 7.5 tonnes is limited to a maximum speed of:
60 mph on a motorway or dual carriageway, and
50 mph on any other road.
Item 5(2)(b).
An articulated vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes, a motor vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes and not drawing a trailer, or a motor vehicle drawing one trailer where the aggregate maximum laden weight of the motor vehicle and the trailer exceeds 7.5 tonnes is limited to a maximum speed of:
60 mph on a motorway,
50 mph on a dual-carriageway not being a motorway, and
40 mph on any other road.
Item 5(2)(c).
A motor vehicle, other than a car-derived van, drawing more than one trailer is limited to a maximum speed of:
40 mph on a motorway, and
20 mph elsewhere.
Item 6.
A motor tractor (other than an industrial tractor), a light locomotive or a heavy locomotive:
(a) if the provisions about springs and wings are complied with and the vehicle is not drawing a trailer, or if those provisions are complied with and the vehicle is drawing one trailer which also complies with those provisions the maximum speed limit is:
40 mph on a motorway, and
30 mph on any other road.
(b) in any other circumstances the maximum speed limit is 20 mph on all roads.
Item 7
A works truck is limited to a maximum speed of 18 mph on all roads.
Item 8.
An industrial tractor is limited to a maximum speed of 18 mph.
Item 9.
An agricultural motor vehicle is limited to a maximum speed of 40 mph on all roads.
NOTES:
This Part applies only to motor vehicles, not being track-laying vehicles, every wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre and to such vehicles drawing one or more trailers, not being track-laying vehicles, every wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre.
>> Edited by IaHa on Monday 23 January 09:28
IaHa said:
NOTES:
This Part applies only to motor vehicles, not being track-laying vehicles, every wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre and to such vehicles drawing one or more trailers, not being track-laying vehicles, every wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre.
So if I attach an ordinary 5th wheel device with a solid tyre I'm exempt? <boggle>
zumbruk said:
My response to Jellsions's rant? "Tough titty". Especially WRT to the outside lane offence. It's well known that the plod crack down hard on that.
So, he passed a plod-mobile at over the speed-limit and got done for it? My heart pumps piss for you.
Agree 100% mate.
The original poster has just made a prat of himself.
Anyone that tows a trailor I would like to think should know the law before they even attempt it.
Remember that guy that caused the Selby train crash killing 10 people while towing a trailor.
Trailors can be very dangerous, and the law is there for a reason, ie, to protect yourself and others that share the same road.
All Torque said:
Item 3..
A passenger vehicle, motor caravan, car-derived van or dual-purpose vehicle drawing one trailer is limited to a maximum speed of:
60 mph on a motorway or dual-carriageway, and
50 mph on any other road.
So my sprinter based motorhome can only do 60!(Always thouth it was 70)
Surely it is 70, unless you're towing a trailer with it?
safespeed said:
NOTES:
This Part applies only to motor vehicles, not being track-laying vehicles, every wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre and to such vehicles drawing one or more trailers, not being track-laying vehicles, every wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre.
So if I attach an ordinary 5th wheel device with a solid tyre I'm exempt? <boggle>
Part II of schedule 6 to the Act (RTRA 1984) imposes maximum speed limits on vehicles (other than track-laying vehicles) which are not fitted with pneumatic tyres on all wheels.
Item 1.
motor vehicle, or in the case of a motor vehicle drawing one or more trailers, the combination, where:
(a) every wheel is fitted with a resilient tyre, or
(b) at least one wheel is fitted with a resilient tyre and every wheel which is not fitted with a resilient tyre is fitted with a pneumatic tyre
is limited to a maximum speed of 20 mph.
Item 2.
A motor vehicle, or in the case of a motor vehicle drawing one or more trailers, the combination, where any wheel is not fitted with either a pneumatic tyre or a resilient tyre is limited to a maximum speed of 5 mph.
But you knew that already, didn't you?
My post said:-
That yes I had been in the outside lane. (Anyone that has ever towed a race car around the country - we all do it when blocked by dicks in the middlelane athat will not move over as is more and more and more the case with shit std of basic driving now a days). Try getting any where say 2 - 300 miles away and not using the outside lane occasionally (bobbing out to go past some t
t that will not move out of the middlelane)means the journey will take for ever - fine say 10 years ago when ever prick on the road did not hog the middle and outside lane, (no one pulls over to the left on an empty M-way now a days!).
***The point being how the hell did the BiB know (when I had been in the middle lane for at least 1/4 mile) before cruising past on the cruise control at 60 - what I now find is the perfectly legal on an M-way.
*** That is the point - nothing I could do, because some Plod had a bad day. Going to court for 60 quid is obviously going to be an utter waste of time.
I have never had a wobble on of any type while in a powerfull tow car pulling 1.5 tonne of trailer pressing down on a 4 tyre trailer - Caravans with next to no weight and massive barndoor aerodynamics are totally different - 80+ is fine in Europe and Germany sits there rock solid all day, just ticking.
Ooh and Zumbruk / Ledfoot - off.
That yes I had been in the outside lane. (Anyone that has ever towed a race car around the country - we all do it when blocked by dicks in the middlelane athat will not move over as is more and more and more the case with shit std of basic driving now a days). Try getting any where say 2 - 300 miles away and not using the outside lane occasionally (bobbing out to go past some t
t that will not move out of the middlelane)means the journey will take for ever - fine say 10 years ago when ever prick on the road did not hog the middle and outside lane, (no one pulls over to the left on an empty M-way now a days!). ***The point being how the hell did the BiB know (when I had been in the middle lane for at least 1/4 mile) before cruising past on the cruise control at 60 - what I now find is the perfectly legal on an M-way.
*** That is the point - nothing I could do, because some Plod had a bad day. Going to court for 60 quid is obviously going to be an utter waste of time.
I have never had a wobble on of any type while in a powerfull tow car pulling 1.5 tonne of trailer pressing down on a 4 tyre trailer - Caravans with next to no weight and massive barndoor aerodynamics are totally different - 80+ is fine in Europe and Germany sits there rock solid all day, just ticking.
Ooh and Zumbruk / Ledfoot -
off.jamesson said:Cheers - take what you say - you obviously that I feel he was just exerting his authority a bit! We all know that we should not be being done for crap offences that do not really condon punishment - maybe a ticking off. We all cruise at 90 odd on a clear M-way and we all know that cars now a day are Miles more capable that the avergae car was when to the 70 mph limit came in yet we still get done. You should all just turn a blind eye unless there is stupid speedor recklessnes involved. Like I said only time I use the outline lane (in a car that could probably still out accelerate alot ofcar even with the trailer!) is when blocked by idiots at slow speed that will not pull in to the left hand lane. I will just have to flash them when in this situation in future. Or undertake - which I believe is perfectly legal as long as no weaving between lanes is involved - if stay in left lane forinstance.
From what you say - and obviously there are two sides to the story and we don't have the benefit of the officer in question's view - personally I would probably have given you a verbal warning and highlighted the dangers of towed vehicles in the outside lane and left the matter at that, given you were driving a highly suitable car for the task.
jamesson said:Cheers taken that on board.
Yes to flashing people to get them to move over. You're only reminding them that you are there, and during police driver training in unmarked cars, we do this. Not a problem. I wouldn't undertake however, especially if you're towing something. Do that in view of plod and you are absolutely asking for trouble. The only time you can undertake is in heavy traffic and the lane(s) to your right is/are stationary or moving slowly.
Jus t strikeme that I see such crap driving just on the average run to the shops and these people will alway be driving badly and hardly ever punished.
I do not really care THAT much about the 60 quid more the points - seems there is less and less polite warning given now a days. Alot of it must be revenue based - must be partly why the speed limit has not gone up. Even 80 would be good then we could do a nice 85 and all wouil be happy - cover ALOt more ground at 80 - 85 than 70 espesially towing (just kidding!)
jamesson said:
Yes to flashing people to get them to move over. You're only reminding them that you are there, and during police driver training in unmarked cars, we do this. Not a problem. I wouldn't undertake however, especially if you're towing something. Do that in view of plod and you are absolutely asking for trouble. The only time you can undertake is in heavy traffic and the lane(s) to your right is/are stationary or moving slowly.
Jamesson an excellent post previously, dealing with the OP, but must take exception to the implication that passing on the left is an offence. What would you charge with? Even the HC (rule 242) does not place as tight restrictions on passing on the left as you do, and does not credit the rule with the weight of law.
>> Edited by 7db on Monday 23 January 01:34
jamesson said:
Yes to flashing people to get them to move over. You're only reminding them that you are there, and during police driver training in unmarked cars, we do this. Not a problem. I wouldn't undertake however, especially if you're towing something. Do that in view of plod and you are absolutely asking for trouble. The only time you can undertake is in heavy traffic and the lane(s) to your right is/are stationary or moving slowly.
Just to qualify slightly. I'd flash if I was happy that the car in front is a compliant driver who has forgotten to move back in, or would move on a little encouragement. A bit of car type, driver group, time of day and driving style stereotyping would help here.
We have probably all become vitim to the numb chav who we've flashed to move back into lane one and has now decided to attach himself to our bumper for the remainder of our motorway journey.
If in doubt, pass in lane three. Leave the road rage entrapment for me and my unmarked!
jellison said:
My post said:-
That yes I had been in the outside lane. (Anyone that has ever towed a race car around the country - we all do it when blocked by dicks in the middlelane athat will not move over as is more and more and more the case with shit std of basic driving now a days)
No, we don't "all do it". I tow a race car some hundreds of miles round the country each year and have never used the outside lane. You see, I know that plod frown on such behaviour. And I'm rather more grown up about it than you obviously are.
jellison said:
Ooh and Zumbruk / Ledfoot -
Thanks, but I already worked out that you're a juvenile t
t from your childish rant about being nicked for something you knew was against the law. 
Sticking yourself in lane 3 while towing a trailer is just asking for it. How did they know? - cctv probably. You can`t have been hard to spot. Angry because you get stuck behind MLMs? Deal with it matey - it`s part of your motoring experience! As for safe to tow at 80mph? It may well be when you are rolling along nicely, but consider the implications of a puncture etc.
Why "Pond life"? You broke the law, they caught you, you get points. That`s how the system works in this country.
All self inflicted I`m afraid.
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