ANPR Operation today
Discussion
mungo said:
Nonegreen - ANPR helps capture a lot of drug dealers and other criminals!!!!
I feel the life blood draining from my body, my strength dissipating into the chair and my will to live slowly fading...
Maybe if the same number of officers whent to have a chat with the existing, known, drug dealers we could catch even more of them rather than cluttering up the system with wasters with no tax discs plus the occasional druggie.
DVD, thanks for the explanation in detail - Tonyrec thanks for the reply - I can sympathies about the long hours -same here in my line of work this week.
As DVD said it would seem that the N Wales and Cheshire Police are using and in some cases abusing the Amended RTA. Siezing cars for an out of date tax disk or an insurance error in the ANPR database is clearly disproportionate. Tonyrec mentioned that cars are not siezed for tax offences but they certainly are in this area. is it reasonable to use the Police resources for yet another form of tax collection ? The BBC will have them battering doors down for TV licences next.
As DVD said it would seem that the N Wales and Cheshire Police are using and in some cases abusing the Amended RTA. Siezing cars for an out of date tax disk or an insurance error in the ANPR database is clearly disproportionate. Tonyrec mentioned that cars are not siezed for tax offences but they certainly are in this area. is it reasonable to use the Police resources for yet another form of tax collection ? The BBC will have them battering doors down for TV licences next.
simonprelude said:
OK how is ANPR going to catch a driver (lets call them person A) who has no Licence, no Insurance and yet the car is owned by someone else (lets call them person B), is Taxed, MOT'd and Insured by person B ??
Person A will be able to drive all day every day and go totally undetected.
Person B may well be a very low risk person and the Insurance etc be very cheap.
Person A could well be banned for dangerous driving, drink driving etc etc etc.
?
Tonyrec said:
OK how is ANPR going to catch a driver (lets call them person A) who has no Licence, no Insurance and yet the car is owned by someone else (lets call them person B), is Taxed, MOT'd and Insured by person B ??
Person A will be able to drive all day every day and go totally undetected.
Person B may well be a very low risk person and the Insurance etc be very cheap.
Person A could well be banned for dangerous driving, drink driving etc etc etc.
?
What he is saying I think, is that ANPR will not detect a *driver* of a car that is taxed insured and licenced (in someone elses name), but the driver himself is not insured or licenced or insured to drive that particular car...but it wont trip ANPR...
Only decent traditional coppering would do that, what?
mungo said:
Nonegreen - ANPR helps capture a lot of drug dealers and other criminals!!!!
How, exactly does it do this?
Because criminals drive cars... The intelligence systems of police forces are kept up to date with the vehicles the criminals drive. When the index of a car with intelligence on it is picked up it gets stopped.
So what it is attempting to do is deny the use of the road network to these crims rather than actually stopping their criminal activity per se?
princeperch said:
Nonegreen - ANPR helps capture a lot of drug dealers and other criminals!!!!
How, exactly does it do this?
Because criminals drive cars... The intelligence systems of police forces are kept up to date with the vehicles the criminals drive. When the index of a car with intelligence on it is picked up it gets stopped.
So what it is attempting to do is deny the use of the road network to these crims rather than actually stopping their criminal activity per se?
It will be difficult to understand but criminals drive, shit,
, vote and breathe. It really does not matter which one we monitor to the nth degree, sooner or later we will catch them at it. 
That exact scenario could happen with someone who is not a known criminal and has no record.
My point was rather that you dont get a very clever class of villain these days, its something I also blame on the government.
I wasnt taking a side swipe at the Police, that would be far too easy and I certaintly wouldnt choose ANPR as a topic to do it with.
Its a clever idea but fundamentally flawed for offences outside of direct traffic violations.
My point was rather that you dont get a very clever class of villain these days, its something I also blame on the government.
I wasnt taking a side swipe at the Police, that would be far too easy and I certaintly wouldnt choose ANPR as a topic to do it with.
Its a clever idea but fundamentally flawed for offences outside of direct traffic violations.
In my day when Traffic Divisions were maintained then on patrol it was up to me to spot:
what I thought a bit sus or a chance,
stop,
interview
check the driver/passengers by radio through my Control,
who would take details,
check against records on Computor and
who then replied as to whether persons wanted etc.
This took about 10 -15 minutes on a good day. My shift was 8 hours.
ANPR does that in seconds, 24/7 weeding out those that require attention and allow those that don't feature to go about their business without being stopped. The proliferation of CCTV in town centres has led to the Crim having to go mobile and out to the sticks so more on the move to be caught.
I wish to hell we had it when I was in - I might have equalled that ex SA Plod on his arrest record.
........ and I and no doubt others would like to know how talking to drug dealers is going to stop drug abuse. They don't talk to Plod you know and run a mile when they see one, maybe even jumnp into a car......ANPR....
Brown nosed, whhhhaaaaattttt? Who meeeee. NEVAHHH
dvd
what I thought a bit sus or a chance,
stop,
interview
check the driver/passengers by radio through my Control,
who would take details,
check against records on Computor and
who then replied as to whether persons wanted etc.
This took about 10 -15 minutes on a good day. My shift was 8 hours.
ANPR does that in seconds, 24/7 weeding out those that require attention and allow those that don't feature to go about their business without being stopped. The proliferation of CCTV in town centres has led to the Crim having to go mobile and out to the sticks so more on the move to be caught.
I wish to hell we had it when I was in - I might have equalled that ex SA Plod on his arrest record.
........ and I and no doubt others would like to know how talking to drug dealers is going to stop drug abuse. They don't talk to Plod you know and run a mile when they see one, maybe even jumnp into a car......ANPR....
Brown nosed, whhhhaaaaattttt? Who meeeee. NEVAHHH
dvd
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