ANPR Operation today
Discussion
nonegreen said:
It would add 4p per litre to include insurance and about the same for road tax. It would also increase the need for unemployment benefit too.
That may well be the real cost, but do you honestly think the shower-o'shite that call themselves a Government would only add 4p/litre and make everyones's life easier?
Tonyrec said:
I forgot to mention, when we take the cars away, the driver gets a Fixed penalty ticket for 6 points and a £200 fine.
Personally ive got no sympathy and they deserve what they get for driving without Insurance.
I totally agree with this action but a danger has occurred in N Wales for example where the insurance company had not notified the DVLA that a driver was insured and his car was taken away.
When he prdoduced his documents at a local police station, the officer said there was nothing she could do because, "according to the computer, you are not insured"
He eventually got his car back after a lot of hassle. So do you recommend that we carry our insurance in the vehicle. A problem may occur if it is then stolen. Also is it not the case that the DVLA computers are only around 75% up-to-date?
Battle on.
catso said:
It would add 4p per litre to include insurance and about the same for road tax. It would also increase the need for unemployment benefit too.
That may well be the real cost, but do you honestly think the shower-o'shite that call themselves a Government would only add 4p/litre and make everyones's life easier?
They would if they were scared of the consequenses, we are too soft we need to flog unsatisfactory politicians.
falcemob said:
I took part in an ANPR operation today and there were quite a few Police on it. It didnt take long for a middle aged person who i can best describe as being an idiot to walk past and start pointing his finger at all the Police bodies and shaking his head. I really and truly wanted to get hold of him and explain the situation but against my better judgement i refrained from doing so.
What area was that in? Just wondering as they were out in force in Canning Town a few weeks ago.
It was in Holloway, North London
Tonyrec said:
Did you find any stolen cars amongst the uninsured?
Sadly none.
Come down to Streatham and camp on the A23 just after the Station (so the scrotes wont see you until they can no longer get off the road)
I'm sure you will get lots.
Used to be a fair bit of ANPR action down there but not seen anything for a few months.
3 Questions for Tonyrec
What Statutory Instrument or other legal power is used to seize the uninsured cars ? I have enquired of N Wales police but they speak mysteriously of the DVLA having powers and that they have 'devolved them' to the police. And the owner is required to sign a document but a copy is not handed to him.
Are cars siezed in your area for out-of-date tax disks alone ? Ledfoot implies that 'a mate' risked loosing his apparently untaxed car to an NAPR operation. I have observed N Wales police siezing a car for what the woner claimed was an out of date tax disk.
And finally it seems that the ANPR operation depends on an insurance certificates existing on a database which has the registration of the vehicle attached. But I can legally drive a vehicle on the roads which is not mine and not hired to me under an HP agreement, which is taxed and with the owners permission. But if the owner himself does not use it on the road and has no insurance - I assume the ANPR will flag it and i will be stopped and you will want to load the car on a transporter ?
>> Edited by Richard C on Friday 3rd February 20:23
What Statutory Instrument or other legal power is used to seize the uninsured cars ? I have enquired of N Wales police but they speak mysteriously of the DVLA having powers and that they have 'devolved them' to the police. And the owner is required to sign a document but a copy is not handed to him.
Are cars siezed in your area for out-of-date tax disks alone ? Ledfoot implies that 'a mate' risked loosing his apparently untaxed car to an NAPR operation. I have observed N Wales police siezing a car for what the woner claimed was an out of date tax disk.
And finally it seems that the ANPR operation depends on an insurance certificates existing on a database which has the registration of the vehicle attached. But I can legally drive a vehicle on the roads which is not mine and not hired to me under an HP agreement, which is taxed and with the owners permission. But if the owner himself does not use it on the road and has no insurance - I assume the ANPR will flag it and i will be stopped and you will want to load the car on a transporter ?
>> Edited by Richard C on Friday 3rd February 20:23
Richard, surely you would tell the bib about your own insurance details?
Tony, there was talk awhile back about number plates inadvertantly using a clear top cover that blocked infra red light. So, anpr couldn't read the digits. Have you heard anything about that, or where I can buy it
I won't tell anybody, lol!
Boosted.
Tony, there was talk awhile back about number plates inadvertantly using a clear top cover that blocked infra red light. So, anpr couldn't read the digits. Have you heard anything about that, or where I can buy it
I won't tell anybody, lol! Boosted.
Boosted - certainly I would. But I don't carry them around with me, ever, and even if it were in office hours I would have little faith in the insurance brokers offices confirming that I had an insurance cert for another car which had a clause covering me to drive others.
I mean the DVLA have taken it upon themselves to instruct post offices not to issue a tax disk unless the cert has the car reg on it.
I mean the DVLA have taken it upon themselves to instruct post offices not to issue a tax disk unless the cert has the car reg on it.
Richard C said:
Boosted - certainly I would. But I don't carry them around with me, ever, and even if it were in office hours I would have little faith in the insurance brokers offices confirming that I had an insurance cert for another car which had a clause covering me to drive others.
I mean the DVLA have taken it upon themselves to instruct post offices not to issue a tax disk unless the cert has the car reg on it.
Don't start me off about the post office! I've had grief with them in the past over this very issue. I can drive any vehicle on my insurance so why not one, not being used by it's owner. Why shouldn't I be allowed to tax and drive it using my policy? What a load of jobsworths they really are. Sems to me like a lot of rule bending that's probably not legal but what can you do about it?
Boosted.
The problem is FAR too big for this solution.
Tony said 12 cars in 90 minutes.
That's 7.5 minutes per car.
DfT says 2 million uninsured cars.
That's 250,000 team hours to get the lot.
Or 31,250 team (8 hour) days to get the lot.
If a team does 5 days a week, it'll take 120 team years to get the lot.
So we need three full time teams for each Police force to get the lot in a year.
But, oh look, all the scrotes have purchased another throw-away in the year. And we have to start all over again.
Tony said 12 cars in 90 minutes.
That's 7.5 minutes per car.
DfT says 2 million uninsured cars.
That's 250,000 team hours to get the lot.
Or 31,250 team (8 hour) days to get the lot.
If a team does 5 days a week, it'll take 120 team years to get the lot.
So we need three full time teams for each Police force to get the lot in a year.
But, oh look, all the scrotes have purchased another throw-away in the year. And we have to start all over again.
safespeed said:
The problem is FAR too big for this solution.
Tony said 12 cars in 90 minutes.
That's 7.5 minutes per car.
DfT says 2 million uninsured cars.
That's 250,000 team hours to get the lot.
Or 31,250 team (8 hour) days to get the lot.
If a team does 5 days a week, it'll take 120 team years to get the lot.
So we need three full time teams for each Police force to get the lot in a year.
But, oh look, all the scrotes have purchased another throw-away in the year. And we have to start all over again.
So in that case, he was wasting his time and our cash not even scratching the surface
Mg6b said:
The problem is FAR too big for this solution.
Tony said 12 cars in 90 minutes.
That's 7.5 minutes per car.
DfT says 2 million uninsured cars.
That's 250,000 team hours to get the lot.
Or 31,250 team (8 hour) days to get the lot.
If a team does 5 days a week, it'll take 120 team years to get the lot.
So we need three full time teams for each Police force to get the lot in a year.
But, oh look, all the scrotes have purchased another throw-away in the year. And we have to start all over again.
So in that case, he was wasting his time and our cash not even scratching the surface
We would do far better to sack the lot and have them report for road building duty next Monday
safespeed said:
DfT says 2 million uninsured cars.
Thats part of the problem. I chatted with a squad of DVLA nasty minded control freaks on a train journey 5 years ago - they were travelling from Swansea to Wrexham by train
( surely it would have been far quicker nad far cheaper for 4 of them to have used a car !) to set up a car crushing operation for untaxed cars. They claimed 1 1/2 million untaxed cars then. I asked them what about unreported scrapping, the vast numbers of cars sitting behind someones garage needing some work but waiting for the owner to get 'a round tuit' I had 4 or 5 then and know several others - in their narrow mindset they couldn't accept this. I'd like to know how many SORNs there are - although 3 of those I have are outside the SORN scheme anyway.
nonegreen said:
It would add 4p per litre to include insurance and about the same for road tax. It would also increase the need for unemployment benefit too.
It would increase unemployment benefit but it would show a greater saving of public spending by not paying the salaries/pension contributions/Nat Ins etc etc of the DVLA staff and all that outfit's on-costs. Sounds like a bargain. Let go for it, but make sure you've got a good secure filler cap on your vehicle first.
It would add 4p per litre to include insurance and about the same for road tax. It would also increase the need for unemployment benefit too.
It would increase unemployment benefit but it would show a greater saving of public spending by not paying the salaries/pension contributions/Nat Ins etc etc of the DVLA staff and all that outfit's on-costs. Sounds like a bargain. Let go for it, but make sure you've got a good secure filler cap on your vehicle first.
Skodaku said:
nonegreen said:
It would add 4p per litre to include insurance and about the same for road tax. It would also increase the need for unemployment benefit too.
It would increase unemployment benefit but it would show a greater saving of public spending by not paying the salaries/pension contributions/Nat Ins etc etc of the DVLA staff and all that outfit's on-costs. Sounds like a bargain. Let go for it, but make sure you've got a good secure filler cap on your vehicle first.
first offense 10k
2nd offense 10 years
that should sort it
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