Essex police - inane idiots
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mg6b said:
Maybe those of you that conduct yourself in a similar way should learn from his mistake. If you do not, then be prepared for that knock on the door and 5 minutes worth of undivided attention from your local police
Remember Not the Nine o'clock News (?)
Inspector Rowan Atkinson carpeting his PC for charging someone with walking on the cracks in the pavement and looking at me in a funny way..?
Oh, how the country laughed and mocked...
Such tomfoolery was so far removed from reality, it was pure comedy.
Many years on and here we are.....satire manifests itself in real life. We really would have have called you a deranged idiot if you'd predicted this in those days.
Good old Rowan is a perceptive guy, isn't he...? I'm going to dig out the old videos to see what's next in store for us.
I couldn't give a flying toss if someone gives me the finger...in two seconds, I've forgotten it.
What the hell is wrong with you oversensitive types? There must be something seriously amiss with your indoctrination, sorry.....training.
This petty vindictiveness is plunging your game to a new level.
Ultimately, giving a ticket for this sort of thing is as childish as the gesture in question. I'm suprised that the pettiness didn't extend to a summons for 'not being in proper control of the vehicle'. It's the kind of sad, unimaginative policing that does no favours to the good coppers out there.
mybrainhurts said:
Maybe those of you that conduct yourself in a similar way should learn from his mistake. If you do not, then be prepared for that knock on the door and 5 minutes worth of undivided attention from your local police
Remember Not the Nine o'clock News (?)
Inspector Rowan Atkinson carpeting his PC for charging someone with walking on the cracks in the pavement and looking at me in a funny way..?
Oh, how the country laughed and mocked...
Such tomfoolery was so far removed from reality, it was pure comedy.
Many years on and here we are.....satire manifests itself in real life. We really would have have called you a deranged idiot if you'd predicted this in those days.
Good old Rowan is a perceptive guy, isn't he...? I'm going to dig out the old videos to see what's next in store for us.
I couldn't give a flying toss if someone gives me the finger...in two seconds, I've forgotten it.
What the hell is wrong with you oversensitive types? There must be something seriously amiss with your indoctrination, sorry.....training.
This petty vindictiveness is plunging your game to a new level.
I agree, if ANYTHING was a worse waste of time it's the police taking this on board as a personal attack, and following it up in priority to any other duty.
Had *I* been given the finger then I would have ignored it, not gone running the the police tail between legs. OK, it's school ground behaviour, but I'd expect police most of all to rise above it!
Considering you waste your time with people's displays in this way, there is no wonder people feel the need to do this to police officers.
We've had several incidents within work regarding RTA's and the police just didn't want to know a thing. Next time we'll tell them the third party gave us the finger! It might get certain Plod off their arses from following up pointless personal attack problems from disgruntled motorists and actually earning respect!
Not having a go at any Plod here, but the ones in question are the ones who make police take the flack in the first place. A more grown up response from the police would have been a waved finger and a "no" nod.
Serious on crime, serious on the causes of crime?
Thank the lord the police are giving out FTP's for *personal* attacks against themselves of the "finger" wow, the streets will be safe at night now!
Public servants? Or servants of their own ego in this instance?
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 3rd February 21:16
mg6b, you really need to get a life.
Police by all means, but observe the spirit of the law, as well as the letter.
You and other officers obviously understand the unpopularity of speed cameras, and all the issues attached to their "use/misuse".
Effectively, anyone writing, lobbying, or complaining through any given formal channel as you have suggested is wasting their time: witness the sheer quantity of publicity, adverse and otherwise, which has been running since camera inception, and the total lack of effect it has had.
Any sympathy or good will towards the police, who manifestly endorse the methods, has evaporated.
If you think about it, even briefly, it is obvious why, and you cannot complain that the public has an opinion.
You should expect it, and be prepared to try and understand it.
In the long term, the issue of speed traps/cameras will be brought to heel - as balance will be redressed in common with the opinion of the majority. You are trying to hold the rising tide back with sand.
In the interim, expect abuse, heckling, and disapproval - and don't act surprised or offended - it is going to happen, and if the best you can do is slap a miserable fine such as the one discussed here, you've already admitted to failure.
As opposed to third world police states this is a country which believes and upholds traditions of free speech, and expression in it's various forms.
The right to protest is well underwritten in law, but what has always held the police in good stead over the years is the level of communication and understanding with the public it seeks to protect - not by the senseless victimisation of mildly errant individuals and items such as this.
A sad comment, and so far from what it is supposed to be.
Oh, and by the way, while I endorse your right to opinions, take a slightly less "holier than thou" attitude when you post on here - this is a public forum, and not owned by any organisation such as that you belong to - you do not have prior rights here, and the dictatorial element of your response does not sit well. I have to assume you were not wearing your uniform while typing. Hmm.
Police by all means, but observe the spirit of the law, as well as the letter.
You and other officers obviously understand the unpopularity of speed cameras, and all the issues attached to their "use/misuse".
Effectively, anyone writing, lobbying, or complaining through any given formal channel as you have suggested is wasting their time: witness the sheer quantity of publicity, adverse and otherwise, which has been running since camera inception, and the total lack of effect it has had.
Any sympathy or good will towards the police, who manifestly endorse the methods, has evaporated.
If you think about it, even briefly, it is obvious why, and you cannot complain that the public has an opinion.
You should expect it, and be prepared to try and understand it.
In the long term, the issue of speed traps/cameras will be brought to heel - as balance will be redressed in common with the opinion of the majority. You are trying to hold the rising tide back with sand.
In the interim, expect abuse, heckling, and disapproval - and don't act surprised or offended - it is going to happen, and if the best you can do is slap a miserable fine such as the one discussed here, you've already admitted to failure.
As opposed to third world police states this is a country which believes and upholds traditions of free speech, and expression in it's various forms.
The right to protest is well underwritten in law, but what has always held the police in good stead over the years is the level of communication and understanding with the public it seeks to protect - not by the senseless victimisation of mildly errant individuals and items such as this.
A sad comment, and so far from what it is supposed to be.
Oh, and by the way, while I endorse your right to opinions, take a slightly less "holier than thou" attitude when you post on here - this is a public forum, and not owned by any organisation such as that you belong to - you do not have prior rights here, and the dictatorial element of your response does not sit well. I have to assume you were not wearing your uniform while typing. Hmm.
mg6b said:[/quote]
Have we discussed this yet?
Yes!
mybrainhurts said:
I'm writing to the Chief Constable of Essex to tell him why I've declined to help my local force....
I am sure he or she will be mortified by your decision
mybrainhurts said:
In fact, come to think of it...I'm going to make a public order complaint every time I hear someone swear. Come on, Essex, get that reported "crime" figure up....let's see how they like that.
In that case you had better learn about where public order offences occur and in what circumstances. You had also better warn the swearer first about his/her conduct.
What you do need to do is to grow up, just like the childish person who is the subject of your post.
>> Edited by mybrainhurts on Friday 3rd February 00:24
Erm, point of interest, as highlighted by me in your quote, how come these sorely put-upon officers did not warn matey about his behaviour instead of wading in and prosecuting straight off?
Could it be that this is an example of the rules for the public being different from the rules for the Bizzies. Or perhaps it was just petty-minded revenge...
rpa.janwell said:
mg6b, you really need to get a life.
I have got one thanks. It doesn't involve having to have anything involving ego testosterone or 'red' either
rpa.janwell said:
You and other officers obviously understand the unpopularity of speed cameras, and all the issues attached to their "use/misuse".
Forgive me if I remind you that I am also a member of the public and will suffer the fate of a member of the public if I happen to drive about with my thumb up my arse or my middle finger in the air at an inappropriate moment!
rpa.janwell said:
Effectively, anyone writing, lobbying, or complaining through any given formal channel as you have suggested is wasting their time: witness the sheer quantity of publicity, adverse and otherwise, which has been running since camera inception, and the total lack of effect it has had.
Has anyone been prosecuted for lobbying complaining or otherwise protesting in a lawful way? Probably not!
Why has it had a lack of effect? Maybe because most of the car drivers who are house owners/occupiers wear two hats? NIMBY bring any recollection of double standards by the hat of the motorist and the hat of the village cottage occupier?
rpa.janwell said:
Any sympathy or good will towards the police, who manifestly endorse the methods, has evaporated.
If you think about it, even briefly, it is obvious why, and you cannot complain that the public has an opinion.
Who do you refer to as the public? According to my local paper, the public want more attention on vehicle speed in their vicinity. "If something isn't done soon, there will be a serious accident and someone will be killed" is often a quote from 'a local resident' who more often than not just happens to be a car driver as well I might add
rpa.janwell said:
You should expect it, and be prepared to try and understand it.
You are not posting to someone who is wet behind the ears. I understand perfectly. So do most Police officers including senior officers. I also understand about human nature. I have been dealing with it for a very long time!
rpa.janwell said:
The right to protest is well underwritten in law, but what has always held the police in good stead over the years is the level of communication and understanding with the public it seeks to protect - not by the senseless victimisation of mildly errant individuals and items such as this.
In a lawful manner, long may it continue
rpa.janwell said:
Oh, and by the way, while I endorse your right to opinions, take a slightly less "holier than thou" attitude when you post on here - this is a public forum, and not owned by any organisation such as that you belong to - you do not have prior rights here, and the dictatorial element of your response does not sit well. I have to assume you were not wearing your uniform while typing. Hmm.
I wasn't wearing my hat. Next time I will do so I have been on this site before. Many times in fact. You are right about opinions. Read some of nonegreens or outlaws or whoever he happens to be now. I hope you direct that comment to them as well.
Thanks for the advice anyway
>> Edited by mg6b on Saturday 4th February 00:17
MGBGT said:
Erm, point of interest, as highlighted by me in your quote, how come these sorely put-upon officers did not warn matey about his behaviour instead of wading in and prosecuting straight off?
Could it be that this is an example of the rules for the public being different from the rules for the Bizzies. Or perhaps it was just petty-minded revenge...
Point of law and of interest to you no doubt.
The offence is committed on the first occasion. If the conduct continues after a warning, a power of arrest is invoked.
He was not arrested as there was no power. He had committed an offence and was dealt with by the appropriate means. Should he wish to dispute that, he can request to be dealt with by a court.
purpleheadedcerb said:
Ultimately, giving a ticket for this sort of thing is as childish as the gesture in question. I'm suprised that the pettiness didn't extend to a summons for 'not being in proper control of the vehicle'. It's the kind of sad, unimaginative policing that does no favours to the good coppers out there.
Thats your opinion. Mine is thankfully different. I work in the industry. When you have done so for a while, your opinion may well be different too!
mg6b said:
Erm, point of interest, as highlighted by me in your quote, how come these sorely put-upon officers did not warn matey about his behaviour instead of wading in and prosecuting straight off?
Could it be that this is an example of the rules for the public being different from the rules for the Bizzies. Or perhaps it was just petty-minded revenge...
Point of law and of interest to you no doubt.
The offence is committed on the first occasion. If the conduct continues after a warning, a power of arrest is invoked.
He was not arrested as there was no power. He had committed an offence and was dealt with by the appropriate means. Should he wish to dispute that, he can request to be dealt with by a court.
Arghhh, but WHY?
Did the police really feel threatened in this instance? Probably not at all!
Was the guy petty for doing it? Yes.
Should the police have waved and smiled and carried on with IMPORTANT matters, and not have taken it so personally? Yes!
The problem I have is that yes, he broke a law, but does one petty act deserve another. This is simply two police thinking "yeah, we'll show him", and it's exactly that behaviour that got them the finger in the first place.
Had they ignored him and continued to do a good job looking for *real* crimes that really effect people, then respect would have been earnt, and the petty offender would not have had is actions vindicated by any response at all, which ultimately what needed to happen!
By visiting him, they are proving they have nothing better to do than just victimising people over petty crimes!
Mg6b, would you visit the offender in said circumstances, or rise above it and go out into the local area and make your presence noted, and build some respect within that local community that there are police out there who care more about being a deterrent than just following up personal problems all day!
Dave
I get the impression old mq6b really, really, really loves his job. I also, whilst reading his posts, mentally slip into a John Major voice...anyone reading mine can visualize a bald, four-eyed, pot-bellied bloke and they won't be far from the truth!
I would like to point out, however, that these paragons of the Law are the same clowns that completely ignored five emergency calls reporting violent intruders to a local school and who eventually turned up, all wind and p!ss, when called by the paramedics treating a teacher that had had the cr@p kicked out of him by seven hoody-wearing thugs.
Perhaps they were delayed nicking an old lady 'wot had looked at them a bit side-long' as they were propping up a burger van...
I would like to point out, however, that these paragons of the Law are the same clowns that completely ignored five emergency calls reporting violent intruders to a local school and who eventually turned up, all wind and p!ss, when called by the paramedics treating a teacher that had had the cr@p kicked out of him by seven hoody-wearing thugs.
Perhaps they were delayed nicking an old lady 'wot had looked at them a bit side-long' as they were propping up a burger van...
I just makes me wonder how much importance the authorities, in this case the BiB, ACTUALLY place on cameras as a tool for road safety.
In this instance 2 officers were on duty carrying out this 'vital' safety work only to decide it was more important to leave those duties and pursue a very minor public order offence.
Can't have it both ways - either 'safety' takes precedence and they should have stayed there on site monitoring vehicle speed OR speed isn't vital to safety and they leave and chase a really wicked crim.
In this instance 2 officers were on duty carrying out this 'vital' safety work only to decide it was more important to leave those duties and pursue a very minor public order offence.
Can't have it both ways - either 'safety' takes precedence and they should have stayed there on site monitoring vehicle speed OR speed isn't vital to safety and they leave and chase a really wicked crim.
Not all police are bad and like the two who visited this guy.
I've never had a Plod giving me grief, they are only doing their jobs 99% of the time, and for that time they are always curteous and polite. For half the times I hear bad things, I wonder just how much the said criminal or offender is being an asshole in the first place.
I had one bad time with one in an unmarked as I was utilising a water pistol from a car, and got into a discussion about firearm response teams, and how they could mistake my supersoaker in pink and blue and yellow with bottles on top for a firearm
but it was all just puffing up of chests to make us scared and we went on our way... good end result and we didn't do it again!
HOWEVER, it's cases like this one that just puts all the good they do to the back of your mind. People remember when stuff goes wrong, but forget all the times it went ok.
These two Plod who wasted time to visit a guy for giving them the finger just stinks of personal retribution. They didn't do it because it was a pressing police matter and if left unchecked or punished would lead to further crime. They did it because they wanted to teach him a lesson.
That isn't policing, thats making it personal, and it just shouldn't have a place in the UK Plod force. It's stuff like this and the example posted just above, the odd one off, that peeves off people enough to give the finger in the first place
Not much can be done except try build public confidence after cockups. Visiting a man and fining him for using a finger in a particular manner is not really going to make the public think the police are worth having around now is it? If they caught a burgular perhaps, then the locals would be flooding out to pat the police officer on the back... I would!
Dave
I've never had a Plod giving me grief, they are only doing their jobs 99% of the time, and for that time they are always curteous and polite. For half the times I hear bad things, I wonder just how much the said criminal or offender is being an asshole in the first place.
I had one bad time with one in an unmarked as I was utilising a water pistol from a car, and got into a discussion about firearm response teams, and how they could mistake my supersoaker in pink and blue and yellow with bottles on top for a firearm
but it was all just puffing up of chests to make us scared and we went on our way... good end result and we didn't do it again! HOWEVER, it's cases like this one that just puts all the good they do to the back of your mind. People remember when stuff goes wrong, but forget all the times it went ok.
These two Plod who wasted time to visit a guy for giving them the finger just stinks of personal retribution. They didn't do it because it was a pressing police matter and if left unchecked or punished would lead to further crime. They did it because they wanted to teach him a lesson.
That isn't policing, thats making it personal, and it just shouldn't have a place in the UK Plod force. It's stuff like this and the example posted just above, the odd one off, that peeves off people enough to give the finger in the first place
Not much can be done except try build public confidence after cockups. Visiting a man and fining him for using a finger in a particular manner is not really going to make the public think the police are worth having around now is it? If they caught a burgular perhaps, then the locals would be flooding out to pat the police officer on the back... I would!
Dave
mg6b said:
He had committed an offence and was dealt with by the appropriate means....
This is the crux of the problem.
Was this law enacted to protect the sensitivities of police officers, or was it enacted to rein in the chaos around us that's out of control?
I don't think Parliament is too fussed about upsetting police on the ground, I think the latter was in its mind when drafting the law.
By using the law to gain personal satisfaction, you are abusing your power. You deserve no respect and no support if you persist.
How long do you think repression like this can continue? I'll tell you how long; until another victim takes a stand against you, just as those pensioners took a stand against council tax. Someone will elect to go to Court, refuse to pay a fine and accept a term in jail.
How much damage do you think that will do to your service?
Wake up before it's too late. Use your discretion and enforce the law in the spirit it was intended, not for this petty, pathetic vindictiveness.
>> Edited by mybrainhurts on Saturday 4th February 05:14
mg6b said:
Ultimately, giving a ticket for this sort of thing is as childish as the gesture in question. I'm suprised that the pettiness didn't extend to a summons for 'not being in proper control of the vehicle'. It's the kind of sad, unimaginative policing that does no favours to the good coppers out there.
Thats your opinion. Mine is thankfully different. I work in the industry. When you have done so for a while, your opinion may well be different too!
I did so for 7 years. My warrant number was 195554 and I worked in Stoke Newington (London). I am now out of the industry as you call it.
mg6b said:
Ultimately, giving a ticket for this sort of thing is as childish as the gesture in question. I'm suprised that the pettiness didn't extend to a summons for 'not being in proper control of the vehicle'. It's the kind of sad, unimaginative policing that does no favours to the good coppers out there.
Thats your opinion. Mine is thankfully different. I work in the industry. When you have done so for a while, your opinion may well be different too!
You still dont get it, do you? Your opinion is not important, and to evreyone in this country, it is not thankfully different. You seem to forget why you are a policemen, and that is to serve and protect the public, the public being all of us here. What these two morons did, was NOT policing. It was petty mindness, vindictive and not even worthy of being called school ground childish behavour.
What is even worst, is that none of their superiors have disciplined them for abusing their power, for purely personal aims.
How you cannot get with the program, and seem to be blindly defending these children, still beggers belief. We now live in a free country, not Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany. I still say, you couldnt make it up, not at all.
Even worst, there are real policemen out there that would do the same, against all the opinion of their employers, US. Being part of the pratnerships has seriously damaged the police, this idiotic policeing will kill it. What has happened to the quality assessement of police recruits?
trax said:
Ultimately, giving a ticket for this sort of thing is as childish as the gesture in question. I'm suprised that the pettiness didn't extend to a summons for 'not being in proper control of the vehicle'. It's the kind of sad, unimaginative policing that does no favours to the good coppers out there.
Thats your opinion. Mine is thankfully different. I work in the industry. When you have done so for a while, your opinion may well be different too!
You still dont get it, do you? Your opinion is not important, and to evreyone in this country, it is not thankfully different. You seem to forget why you are a policemen, and that is to serve and protect the public, the public being all of us here. What these two morons did, was NOT policing. It was petty mindness, vindictive and not even worthy of being called school ground childish behavour.
What is even worst, is that none of their superiors have disciplined them for abusing their power, for purely personal aims.
How you cannot get with the program, and seem to be blindly defending these children, still beggers belief. We now live in a free country, not Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany. I still say, you couldnt make it up, not at all.
Even worst, there are real policemen out there that would do the same, against all the opinion of their employers, US. Being part of the pratnerships has seriously damaged the police, this idiotic policeing will kill it. What has happened to the quality assessement of police recruits?
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There are good police on the ground, and as such respect for their professional capabilities and aims of their work is due and given.
The quoted instance at the start of this thread is not one of those instances.
There was a clear dereliction of duty - and as noted from other contributors, given the dichotomy, the officers concerned displayed a clear decision as to their priority: road safety monitoring, or petty vindictiveness. The latter.
It would be a simple exercise to describe - on the basis of police and government figures - how much risk to the motoring public was endorsed by the officers during absence from their assigned duty while attending to their new task. Rocket scientists these two definitely were not.
Allowing private concerns such as the "camera partnerships" to prevail will eventually be curtailed - and those responsible for the inception will be pilloried in time. It has provided a damaging social issue: one "Oh Shit" is worth a thousand "Attaboys".
As far as speed is concerned I and the vast majority of road users have a very sensible attitude - but are not prepared to run on the institutionalised rails that are set - which is not a statement of irresponsibiity as has often been observed, but a statement of responsible THINKING driving ability.
The criticism levelled at most of the people who have responded to this thread seems to imply that they are part of the great unwashed, with little or no experience or understanding in police matters : as well as the ex police who have posted here, there are others such as myself who have worked in critical environments, and have experiences which far surpass that offered in the singularly tame arena depicted by mg6b.
In working in these environments, the other issue which is an inherent part of the ability to exist in them is the use of valid assessment of risk and safety, and mitigation.
What is blatantly apparent is the complete failure of government, and by default police, to realistically assess the issues against valid criteria: the history of fudged, biased internal reports and assessments by local and national government is well publicised, and once exposed has been the downfall of many "in vogue" methodologies.
I endorse speed limits, especially in the urban environment: what I do not endorse is the "entrapment" methodologies and tram-like enforcements currently pervading this country.
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I object manifestly to the personal statement from mg6b, re "It doesn't involve having to have anything involving ego testosterone or 'red' either".
I can only assume that this refers to the fact that I have an extremely powerful sports car (it's orange, not red).
I enjoy that car. I have worked for it, and all the other things I provide for my family, from being a fisherman in the SW of the UK to where I am now, and have earned every penny along the way.
And the interesting thing is: since the start of my TVR ownership, I have not had one point for speeding. Not one.
I have never had an accident involving another car or person. And having been a qualified paramedic through part of my career path, I have helped out and sorted out quite a few meatballs/accident sites before the BiB or ambulances have arrived over the years.
Bottom line, don't for one minute think you have the run on these subjects - while it might not be me, there are far more valid opinions than yours around, far greater background of experience, and better educated to comment on the subject matter. If you were in any doubt, that was where the holier than thou comment came from.
trax said:
Ultimately, giving a ticket for this sort of thing is as childish as the gesture in question. I'm suprised that the pettiness didn't extend to a summons for 'not being in proper control of the vehicle'. It's the kind of sad, unimaginative policing that does no favours to the good coppers out there.
Thats your opinion. Mine is thankfully different. I work in the industry. When you have done so for a while, your opinion may well be different too!
You still dont get it, do you? Your opinion is not important, and to evreyone in this country, it is not thankfully different. You seem to forget why you are a policemen, and that is to serve and protect the public, the public being all of us here. What these two morons did, was NOT policing. It was petty mindness, vindictive and not even worthy of being called school ground childish behavour.
What is even worst, is that none of their superiors have disciplined them for abusing their power, for purely personal aims.
How you cannot get with the program, and seem to be blindly defending these children, still beggers belief. We now live in a free country, not Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany. I still say, you couldnt make it up, not at all.
Even worst, there are real policemen out there that would do the same, against all the opinion of their employers, US. Being part of the pratnerships has seriously damaged the police, this idiotic policeing will kill it. What has happened to the quality assessement of police recruits?
Unfortunately I think he does get it and to some extent I think his argument is valid, ok so it's petty but putting the boot on the other foot insulting someone in uniform is asking for trouble and you don't know how you would have reacted. These guys obviously feel that they deserve the publics' respect but then forget that they were manning a speed camera which gets many peoples backs up understandably invoke uncharacteristic actions.
mgb6: As for policing not being a popularity contest I think you're wrong, the force wouldn't be in existance otherwise.
Is this just yet another case of everyone being soft, but talking hard.
In 'the good old days' we used to bait 'the pigs'. Sometimes with the finger, sometimes much worse. Sometimes we got caught. We didn't moan about it, or complain we were being picked on, or how it affected our freedom of speech (grow up for ficks sake). We accepted it. We did something wrong (the finger was seen as wrong even back then) and they came knocking on the door, or ran after you as you legged it up the road.
Before that at school when we did something wrong, we got the cane. We didn't run home to mummy and daddy or the Social Services, we accepted it as part of our decisions to do what we did. Softies stuck to the rules, others broke them but accepted the consequencies.
This big brave 41 year old gives a finger (ooh thats tough) then starts crying when he gets done. All his mates on here crowd around him, saying 'leave him alone, he hasn't done anything, blah blah blah". He wants to grow up, take it on the chin. Surely there are more important things going on than this cry baby tosser.
Once again, if ya can't do the time......
>> Edited by Big Fat F'er on Saturday 4th February 14:16
In 'the good old days' we used to bait 'the pigs'. Sometimes with the finger, sometimes much worse. Sometimes we got caught. We didn't moan about it, or complain we were being picked on, or how it affected our freedom of speech (grow up for ficks sake). We accepted it. We did something wrong (the finger was seen as wrong even back then) and they came knocking on the door, or ran after you as you legged it up the road.
Before that at school when we did something wrong, we got the cane. We didn't run home to mummy and daddy or the Social Services, we accepted it as part of our decisions to do what we did. Softies stuck to the rules, others broke them but accepted the consequencies.
This big brave 41 year old gives a finger (ooh thats tough) then starts crying when he gets done. All his mates on here crowd around him, saying 'leave him alone, he hasn't done anything, blah blah blah". He wants to grow up, take it on the chin. Surely there are more important things going on than this cry baby tosser.
Once again, if ya can't do the time......
>> Edited by Big Fat F'er on Saturday 4th February 14:16
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