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'bad drivers beware, these girls have decided to collect evidence. Using funding from Leicestershire County Council, they're fitted cameras to their helmets.'
www.itvregions.com/Central/News/Horse.htm
www.itvregions.com/Central/News/Horse.htm
voyds9 said:
These are living animals and can be frightened
Police animals are capable of standing still in a full riot perhaps some training would be in order. If our vehicle was not in full control no doubt the riders would be the first to point the finger at us.
I see where you are coming from but isn't that like saying all dog owners should ensure their dogs meet police K9 training standards?
In theory vehicles are much more controllable than horses, they have an off switch. Always said to my sister I was safer on a motorbike than she on a horse for this reason...but...throttle cables can stick etc, and your machine is all of a sudden out of control.
Sure, 99% of the time horses can be kept in control, and for the 1% of the time they are not in control then the horse rider has insurance, so don't worry about your car too much.
"Liz Randall, Woodhouse and Swithland Riders Association says "If we can gather enough evidence, we can take it to the appropriate authorities and ask them to action something, whether it be more warning signs about horses, whether it is more traffic calming measures in the parish."
Sheer genius.
More traffic calming? Why?.
How exactly do you slow down a car already reduced to walking speed by the sort of clueless halfwits who ride their nags 2 abreast on a narrow country lane?
Yes they're animals with minds of their own, therefore they belong in a field.
Sheer genius.
More traffic calming? Why?.
How exactly do you slow down a car already reduced to walking speed by the sort of clueless halfwits who ride their nags 2 abreast on a narrow country lane?
Yes they're animals with minds of their own, therefore they belong in a field.
Fair enough I say.
I often see people riding horses around where I live. Its not hard to make an effort and slow down and be nice.
I allways drive on lanes assuming that there is a full width tractor around the next corner (and there often is in the summer) so its not much affort to slow down and coast past.
I dont think that these cameras will help them at all.
But a bit of publicity on the subject wont hurt. I think many people have no idea about horses and how you should act when in your car.
If I see a girl on a horse with a camera Ill wave at her (although I usually wave and smile anyway)
I often see people riding horses around where I live. Its not hard to make an effort and slow down and be nice.
I allways drive on lanes assuming that there is a full width tractor around the next corner (and there often is in the summer) so its not much affort to slow down and coast past.
I dont think that these cameras will help them at all.
But a bit of publicity on the subject wont hurt. I think many people have no idea about horses and how you should act when in your car.
If I see a girl on a horse with a camera Ill wave at her (although I usually wave and smile anyway)
If I see a horse on the road I think "poor bloody horse", having to walk along a road with a person on it's back just for the hell of it.
I'm sure they'd be happier out on a field running free!
Horse riders deserve a right of way, but when will they have to wear a whirlygig on their heads like the rest of farm vehicles/traffic of such a hazardous nature?
Seems very biased towards the horsie people do as they will, and tough shit to everyone else who wants to use the road. Horses have the ultimate right of way and hold other road users responsible for their own mistakes!?
Seen plenty with lights and illuminous strips in the day and evenings, but also seen plenty with nothing reflective or lit up... mental!
Dave
I'm sure they'd be happier out on a field running free!
Horse riders deserve a right of way, but when will they have to wear a whirlygig on their heads like the rest of farm vehicles/traffic of such a hazardous nature?
Seems very biased towards the horsie people do as they will, and tough shit to everyone else who wants to use the road. Horses have the ultimate right of way and hold other road users responsible for their own mistakes!?
Seen plenty with lights and illuminous strips in the day and evenings, but also seen plenty with nothing reflective or lit up... mental!
Dave
""They are living animals, they've got a mind of their own. If they get scared they can do things"
She's right there - bloody dangerous things mostly owned by people who seem to have no obvious connection with the attitudes of the majority of the population.
There's on locally who has been making a lot of fuss about having to cross a newly built road to get from the field where she keeps the beast to her house in the centre of the village. It's not so diferent to the route she had to use before but in a couple of years from now it might be a little busier with trucks arriving at a new distribution park.
Why she wants to ride the creatures from theior field along tarmac to her house and back I really don't know. The new road is ghardly the biggest problem she would face on that route. I can;t see it being a great ride for her (except for pose value) and she will clearly get in the way of traffic in some awkward places.
But at least we now have a name for the person whose horse craps all over the roads and pavements. Pity the owners have not yet been compelled to clean up after their animals as is the case for dog owners.
I think HSE should be called in.
She's right there - bloody dangerous things mostly owned by people who seem to have no obvious connection with the attitudes of the majority of the population.
There's on locally who has been making a lot of fuss about having to cross a newly built road to get from the field where she keeps the beast to her house in the centre of the village. It's not so diferent to the route she had to use before but in a couple of years from now it might be a little busier with trucks arriving at a new distribution park.
Why she wants to ride the creatures from theior field along tarmac to her house and back I really don't know. The new road is ghardly the biggest problem she would face on that route. I can;t see it being a great ride for her (except for pose value) and she will clearly get in the way of traffic in some awkward places.
But at least we now have a name for the person whose horse craps all over the roads and pavements. Pity the owners have not yet been compelled to clean up after their animals as is the case for dog owners.
I think HSE should be called in.
mk6fiesta said:
I dont mind horses on the road, as long as they are clearly under the control of the rider,
I might get slated for saying this, but I do mind horses on the road. My reason is this. I have learned to drive a car and passed a test to do so. I spent a fair bit of money buying a car, taxing it, and paying a lot more to insure it. I have a great deal of control over my car, as it is mechanical, as as such, most of the time, deferential to what I imput to the controls to do.
A horse is not mechanical, and not deferential. It is emotional and can be spooked and scared quite easily. My car cannot, it does what I want when I want it.
Now if I were to go and buy a grizzly bear, or a baboon, and found someone mad enough to insure it, and then get on its back, and spend an afternoon going down a single lane NSL road, I couldnt really justify slowing up everyone and filming everyone because my animal got angry because he didnt like the colour or the noise of the cars going past him.
A horse is a bloody big animal which can cause a GREAT deal of damage if spooked or scared.
You wanna expose yourself to danger, go and do it in a private field and play with a bull or something.
Dont drag me, as a motorist, whos got places to go and people to see, into your idiocy and risk taking.
Ive said it before and ill say it again. A Road is NO place for a horse to be.
Sorry....
princeperch said:
Now if I were to go and buy a grizzly bear, or a baboon, and found someone mad enough to insure it, and then get on its back, and spend an afternoon going down a single lane NSL road, I couldnt really justify slowing up everyone and filming everyone because my animal got angry because he didnt like the colour or the noise of the cars going past him.
The image that puts in my mind is
it has brightend up my day There is a main A road near here passing through a village that is clearly a bolt hole for the rich - lots of teenage and pre-teenage little girls with the most enormous horses. most of the time they are on the NSL A road (which is quite narrow in places) with an out of control horse i.e. one going sideways , backwards or generally wandering around the road.
I guess its only a matter of time before one of them gets killed , then we can look forward to speed humps and cameras to reduce the car menace. You can bet that no one will see the activities of these little girls as dangerous.
Mad.
The only thing that annoys me more is (same village) when the hunt goes out and block the road. I mean ffs a few weeks back one numpty put on a reflective jacket and took it upon himself to stop traffic, direct it etc so that the prick in the red riding coat could sit in the middle of the road on his poxy horse and pose. Luckily I was in the TVR and suddenly found gosh its nearly stalling so I have to rev it up to keep the engine running. And no Im not gonna stop and wait here just cause you are waving at me.
And no I am not anti horse, I always slow down and coast past as far across the road as I can , particularly when in the TVR. Its the humans that are the problem....
I guess its only a matter of time before one of them gets killed , then we can look forward to speed humps and cameras to reduce the car menace. You can bet that no one will see the activities of these little girls as dangerous.
Mad.
The only thing that annoys me more is (same village) when the hunt goes out and block the road. I mean ffs a few weeks back one numpty put on a reflective jacket and took it upon himself to stop traffic, direct it etc so that the prick in the red riding coat could sit in the middle of the road on his poxy horse and pose. Luckily I was in the TVR and suddenly found gosh its nearly stalling so I have to rev it up to keep the engine running. And no Im not gonna stop and wait here just cause you are waving at me.
And no I am not anti horse, I always slow down and coast past as far across the road as I can , particularly when in the TVR. Its the humans that are the problem....
They sh*t enormous piles in the road too, which is pretty manky if you can't avoid them in your car.
Could also be a hazard if your braking and hit one, a bit of yaw moment and into oncoming traffic!
I feel like stopping and chucking it at the bloody riders (while wearing gloves that is)! Dirty bastards!
Dave
Could also be a hazard if your braking and hit one, a bit of yaw moment and into oncoming traffic!
I feel like stopping and chucking it at the bloody riders (while wearing gloves that is)! Dirty bastards!
Dave
njwc said:
Regardless of whether I'm walking, cycling or driving I find that the horses are a lot less bother than the arrogant tw@ts that so many of them seem to carry on their backs... .
Well said! I always slow for horses and riders. Some raise a hand in thankyou, some ignore you, some seem to treat everything as their right of way. Unfortunately, I bet it's this last group who've come up with this hare-brained scheme!!!
This has cased a bit of a stir. Whilst this hair brained idea is not very good, why the anti-horse crap? They are surely akin to pistonheaders? Doing something they like and enjoy?
Dont forget, roads were made for horses, not cars, well, a few hundred years ago that is. lol.
Sometimes riders have to use roads, if you see one, slow the frig down, whats the hassle?
Seems like some people dont like the idea of people with money being allowed to share the roads with us and our cars.
Dont forget, roads were made for horses, not cars, well, a few hundred years ago that is. lol.
Sometimes riders have to use roads, if you see one, slow the frig down, whats the hassle?
Seems like some people dont like the idea of people with money being allowed to share the roads with us and our cars.
trax said:
Seems like some people dont like the idea of people with money being allowed to share the roads with us and our cars.
What the
has that got to do with anything? I dont give a monkeys if the idiot on their horse has more money than me, less money than me, or even if they dont have a pot to piss in?
What pisses me off is that my property and I have to be endangered, because someone deems it their right to ride, normally 2 abreast down a road where cars are allowed to do 60mph.
It is not safe, and it is not appropriate.
Whos up for reflecting their idiocy and going for a hoon down a bridleway?
Any takers?
Thought not...
The trouble is, Back in the good ol days the roads were quiet and country lanes were exactly that.
Country lanes with the occasional car and where horses and cyclists and walkers for that matter could meander down these lanes without significant fear.
These days our roads are mega busy. Even the small country lanes as drivers are forced to use them since the main roads are gridlocked.
The whole travel system has changed and attitudes have changed. Unfortunately i feel a large number of horse riders are living in the past on their attitude to the roads and often their horses are not trained to cope with the danger & noise they are poised with now.
Sadly with the volume of traffic these days, i feel there is no place for horses on a large percentage of roads. (and i love horses.. Just rather see them alive and safe!)
Country lanes with the occasional car and where horses and cyclists and walkers for that matter could meander down these lanes without significant fear.
These days our roads are mega busy. Even the small country lanes as drivers are forced to use them since the main roads are gridlocked.
The whole travel system has changed and attitudes have changed. Unfortunately i feel a large number of horse riders are living in the past on their attitude to the roads and often their horses are not trained to cope with the danger & noise they are poised with now.
Sadly with the volume of traffic these days, i feel there is no place for horses on a large percentage of roads. (and i love horses.. Just rather see them alive and safe!)
trax said:
They are surely akin to pistonheaders? Doing something they like and enjoy?
Dont forget, roads were made for horses, not cars, well, a few hundred years ago that is. lol.
Akin to PH'ers? Yeah, probably. But one thing I'd like to think almost all PH'ers do is have consideration for other road users. We've ALL come across riders who don't, and riders who, even more scarily, don't seem to have full control over the horse.
I think the big difference, to me, is that you need to prove you can control a car, whereas any 10 year-old girl can be in charge of a horse on a public highway...and where is the safety and consideration in that?
Of course ultimately it boils down to the attitudes of the people involved, and the consideration given to other road-users. Ideas like this clearly come from the more arrogant and bullish horse-riders.
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