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towman said:
As good a piece of prose as I have seen on this board for a long time. (the sticky - not your usual inane ramblings!)
Your easily impressed. I think the brown nosing of the police contributors on here simply devalues and dillutes the strength of feeling among the motoring community. It adds nothing to the forum and skews the truth. If it continues I will simply abstain.
nonegreen said:
As good a piece of prose as I have seen on this board for a long time. (the sticky - not your usual inane ramblings!)
Your easily impressed. I think the brown nosing of the police contributors on here simply devalues and dillutes the strength of feeling among the motoring community. It adds nothing to the forum and skews the truth. If it continues I will simply abstain.
Whats your problem?
MaM said:
Make your point, and make it with passion, but do not abuse the Police
Hardly brown nosing - just asking for the same respect as we would all like to receive. Nothing wrong with a debate, however heated. I take it that you approve of the now-banned members reference to "Pigs"?
Adds nothing to the forum? Do me a favour! Whats the point if SPL is full of questions with no-one to answer them?
Best you abstain! (Until you have a problem and need some advice)
nonegreen said:
As good a piece of prose as I have seen on this board for a long time. (the sticky - not your usual inane ramblings!)
Your easily impressed. I think the brown nosing of the police contributors on here simply devalues and dillutes the strength of feeling among the motoring community. It adds nothing to the forum and skews the truth. If it continues I will simply abstain.
Nonegreen, if you abuse anybody on this forum, you are likely to find yourself in the sin bin. This forum is the poorer for losing BiBs. The vast majority of contributors genuinely value their contributions, particularly their advice. If your notion of SP&L is a place to launch a tirade against the Police, then perhaps it's better if you do abstain.
To echo Mon ami Mate's comments.
As a serving Police officer I frequent this forum as a car enthusiast, and to help out should someone require advice. Yes, I haven't visited this particular forum that much recently as there is a different feeling in the air, any views that are aired by BIB tend to get negative comments. To this degree most of the questions I answer are via my profile by the way of pm's that people feel they need to ask me, and therefore I reply that way.
I don't consider it brown nosing to ask us questions, and don't particularly like brown nosers, nor do I like people that form their opinion of me for the uniform I wear. I think I speak for the majority of down to earth street experienced police officers here.
I like keeping things civil, but if you can't, don't post, abstain or whatever you call it, simple as that. Debate is healthy, but being downright rude and obnoxious has no place on Ph..
Good sticky Mon ami Mate.
Your comments appreciated.
As a serving Police officer I frequent this forum as a car enthusiast, and to help out should someone require advice. Yes, I haven't visited this particular forum that much recently as there is a different feeling in the air, any views that are aired by BIB tend to get negative comments. To this degree most of the questions I answer are via my profile by the way of pm's that people feel they need to ask me, and therefore I reply that way.
I don't consider it brown nosing to ask us questions, and don't particularly like brown nosers, nor do I like people that form their opinion of me for the uniform I wear. I think I speak for the majority of down to earth street experienced police officers here.
I like keeping things civil, but if you can't, don't post, abstain or whatever you call it, simple as that. Debate is healthy, but being downright rude and obnoxious has no place on Ph..
Good sticky Mon ami Mate.
Your comments appreciated. nonegreen said:Then do
As good a piece of prose as I have seen on this board for a long time. (the sticky - not your usual inane ramblings!)
Your easily impressed. I think the brown nosing of the police contributors on here simply devalues and dillutes the strength of feeling among the motoring community. It adds nothing to the forum and skews the truth. If it continues I will simply abstain.
Personally I like having
posting on here. We may not always like what they say, but it's good to be able to discuss points of law with the people who administer it. Good arguements, yes. Personal insults, no.
I'll echo those sentiments.
The police on here have been singled out for abuse in the past simply because of the job they do. That's a ridiculous generalisation.
I consider their input very valuable to the forums in the same was I as do those of magistrates. The magistrates here haven't received the same abuse as the police.
All we're asking for is civil discussion and reminding people that we are particularly consider that our rules of play are adhered to in respect of the police. They are few and far between and their input is that valuable that I don't want them to leave.
The police on here have been singled out for abuse in the past simply because of the job they do. That's a ridiculous generalisation.
I consider their input very valuable to the forums in the same was I as do those of magistrates. The magistrates here haven't received the same abuse as the police.
All we're asking for is civil discussion and reminding people that we are particularly consider that our rules of play are adhered to in respect of the police. They are few and far between and their input is that valuable that I don't want them to leave.
Me too. There should be a clear distinction between disagreeing with general Police policy and abuse of specific individuals, however some people tend to blur into another. Its perfectly possible to have a robust debate without getting into personal abuse, unfortunately this doesnt always seem to happen.
To use an analogy, its a bit like the Iraqi people blaming (and being abusive to) individual British Citizens for the actions of British soldiers in Iraq, without considering whether those citizens would either behave in that way or support the actions of those that do. (BTW I dont want to turn this into an Iraq debate, I'm just trying to use a different perspective to illustrate my point )
I came here with a jaundiced view of some aspects of road policing, particularly speeding, and although my views havent changed I have found the views of Trafpol on here to be both informative and enlightening. I dont always agree with what they say, but I'd rather hear them say it than not hear it.
To use an analogy, its a bit like the Iraqi people blaming (and being abusive to) individual British Citizens for the actions of British soldiers in Iraq, without considering whether those citizens would either behave in that way or support the actions of those that do. (BTW I dont want to turn this into an Iraq debate, I'm just trying to use a different perspective to illustrate my point
) I came here with a jaundiced view of some aspects of road policing, particularly speeding, and although my views havent changed I have found the views of Trafpol on here to be both informative and enlightening. I dont always agree with what they say, but I'd rather hear them say it than not hear it.
njwc said:
I dont always agree with what they say, but I'd rather hear them say it than not hear it.
Extremely well said, and something that certain others (no names, no pack drill) should bear in mind.
Lets face it, personal abuse posted anonymously on a website is not only pointless, it's also a bit girly.
Brown-nosing....grow up!
Mon Ami Mate said:
As good a piece of prose as I have seen on this board for a long time. (the sticky - not your usual inane ramblings!)
Your easily impressed. I think the brown nosing of the police contributors on here simply devalues and dillutes the strength of feeling among the motoring community. It adds nothing to the forum and skews the truth. If it continues I will simply abstain.
Nonegreen, if you abuse anybody on this forum, you are likely to find yourself in the sin bin. This forum is the poorer for losing BiBs. The vast majority of contributors genuinely value their contributions, particularly their advice. If your notion of SP&L is a place to launch a tirade against the Police, then perhaps it's better if you do abstain.
The state of affairs you are aiming for MAM is to effectively stop anyone argueing with the police on this forum. You have been moving toward that for some time now. It makes for a boring forum. Bye bye.
Yugguy said:
Are we then not allowed to make comments, good or bad, on how we have been treated in our encounters with the police? Surely it is possible to say that a particular individual behaved well or badly without tarring all police with the same brush?
Yes if course. All we're asking for is that officers who post aren't subjected to vitriole. It's nothing new, we've always asked this.
Plotloss said:
There has to be balance though, shirley?
Obvious abusing BiB for being BiB is not on, at all, however deliberatly provocative postings by BiB, which we have had in the past, admittedly not so much these days, is also a bit offside.
indeed. The Bib have some very helpful things to add to PH and should not receive abuse for their role in society alone (I hear the stereotyping enough in my profession). However, at some stages the patronising and narrow minded blinkered views from several posting Bibs only served to push me into believing their was a large degree of truth to some of the stereotyping. I am pleased to see that doesn't appear to be the case so much these days and Bib postings don't now appear to have the "listen 'ere sonny Jim" feel to them as they have done at times in the past.
shnozz said:
There has to be balance though, shirley?
Obvious abusing BiB for being BiB is not on, at all, however deliberatly provocative postings by BiB, which we have had in the past, admittedly not so much these days, is also a bit offside.
indeed. The Bib have some very helpful things to add to PH and should not receive abuse for their role in society alone (I hear the stereotyping enough in my profession). However, at some stages the patronising and narrow minded blinkered views from several posting Bibs only served to push me into believing their was a large degree of truth to some of the stereotyping. I am pleased to see that doesn't appear to be the case so much these days and Bib postings don't now appear to have the "listen 'ere sonny Jim" feel to them as they have done at times in the past.
Now listen here sunshine, what do you mean we can be wrong... 
It's all about give and take isn't it. Yes, some bib posts on here have made my toes curl with embarrassment, but others have been excellent, as have posts by people of all professions. I think the remaining few bib have a good outlook on views presented to them, and yes, a good debate is healthy. But I do indeed take offence to the term 'pig'. I think this site in general separates itself from others as we can have a good lively debate without blatant anti police comments for the sake of it. But respect goes both ways.
Off to find a politically incorrect subject to throw into the fire.
Well said MaM, et al.
This forum is a better place for having serving officers dipping in and passing their opinion on threads.
I think nonegreens attitiude just shows what an embittered little coward he is, one of the few people on here who think its big to hide behind a computer and try and brainwash people with his ill-thought spite and vitriol.
I won't miss him.
This forum is a better place for having serving officers dipping in and passing their opinion on threads.
I think nonegreens attitiude just shows what an embittered little coward he is, one of the few people on here who think its big to hide behind a computer and try and brainwash people with his ill-thought spite and vitriol.
I won't miss him.
silverback mike said:
It's all about give and take isn't it. Yes, some bib posts on here have made my toes curl with embarrassment, but others have been excellent, as have posts by people of all professions. I think the remaining few bib have a good outlook on views presented to them, and yes, a good debate is healthy. But I do indeed take offence to the term 'pig'. I think this site in general separates itself from others as we can have a good lively debate without blatant anti police comments for the sake of it. But respect goes both ways.
Off to find a politically incorrect subject to throw into the fire.
And I believe I have mentionned you in the past as one I respect because you dont hold the warrant card up in every post and shove it in people's faces that you are Bib and thus they should automatically accept your view as gospel. I agree the remaining bib do have a more refreshing outlook and are generally a help rather than a hinderance. I rarely make reference to my profession as continued references to it make it sound like you expect a respect automatically, which is wrong. All it means is that you have authority to speak on an area of your knowledge/experience, the same as a plumber answering a PH shower enquiry. Name calling in any capacity is unnecessary, although I get used to the shark title. 
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