Motorist fined for beeping horn.............
Discussion
catso said:
I learned to drive in Italy and was taught, (Driving Instructor was ex-Traffic Cop), to use the horn when approaching a blind crests, tight bends etc on narrow roads to warn approaching vehicles of your presence.
But of course you do - ist gentlest toot toot to tell someone who ist not able to see you that easily to know you are there. At night - dipped light tell you of approaching car. But in daylight - or bad weather - correct und even in Highway Code.
I was on the A12 today and a BiB had broken down in a lay-by and was standing there with the tow-truck. Every vehicle passing was hooting and waving at him. I now know why!
The bloke that taught me to drive here in England was an ex-BiB and was very fond of a good, long blast to 'wake the dozy bastards up'. Driving back-roads, I use my rally tuition and give a two-second blast on the old twin-tone Mazzers before blind corners, T-junctions and blind crests.
catso said:
I learned to drive in Italy and was taught, (Driving Instructor was ex-Traffic Cop), to use the horn when approaching a blind crests, tight bends etc on narrow roads to warn approaching vehicles of your presence.
The bloke that taught me to drive here in England was an ex-BiB and was very fond of a good, long blast to 'wake the dozy bastards up'. Driving back-roads, I use my rally tuition and give a two-second blast on the old twin-tone Mazzers before blind corners, T-junctions and blind crests.
BigBob said:Yup, it's a breach of the peace. In fact, bear with me ... there, I've just stuck my middle finger up ... and, yes ... yes, I can confirm all my neighbours are now throwing petrol bombs. I'm going to turn myself in.
Thank god he wasnt giving them the finger at the same time - I am sure they would have brought the death penalty back just for that...
No, according to another thread giving the 'Finger' gets you a £80 FPN
WildCat said:
Per all the tabloids - Mail, Express und so on... he saw the talivan und tooted und gave a thumb up sign - und seven officers tittered in back of van as the one in charge gave him a ticket. There were sergeant, two in tutor role und four trainees... und the bloke in question reckons that giving him his fine allowed several drivers to "blat by at speed" 
Ach... I don't know
Only in England...
This is the same Dorset police who earlier in the week wrote to Bournemouth shop keepers telling them that the police would not respond to thefts of £75 and less.
Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
rewc said:
This is the same Dorset police who earlier in the week wrote to Bournemouth shop keepers telling them that the police would not respond to thefts of £75 and less.
Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
Sound like a bunch of muppets.
There are always a few Plod who spoil the good work the majority do. Crap police like this need banning from being public servants because they can't use their own judgement, they are the happy slappers of the police world.
Dave
rewc said:
....Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
You are making this up aren't you? How is making a phone call with the engine running linked to being a bad mother? And how does being a bad mother get you an FPN? And what justification is there for the police to withdraw an FPN after a complaint? This is just making up the law as you go along. Don't tell me they suspected her of being a terrorist....
Peter Ward said:
....Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
You are making this up aren't you? How is making a phone call with the engine running linked to being a bad mother? And how does being a bad mother get you an FPN? And what justification is there for the police to withdraw an FPN after a complaint? This is just making up the law as you go along. Don't tell me they suspected her of being a terrorist....
I think I remember reading the story in Waily a bit back. I think it ran along lines of her being a "bad mama" because she was "burning a fossil fuel und contributing to global warming und thus creating legacy of sheer misery for her child in its future life... " und she should of course have been at home watching La- La und Tinkty Winkty. Und then there was one who fined the Mama for using natural booby means of tanking up kitten whilst sat on park bench one sunny day....
they usually the ones who score highly on the pee cee tests as well.
.. und will reprimand witness who describe spotty oik as spotty oik und a fat guy as being - er - fat
WildCat said:
....Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
You are making this up aren't you? How is making a phone call with the engine running linked to being a bad mother? And how does being a bad mother get you an FPN? And what justification is there for the police to withdraw an FPN after a complaint? This is just making up the law as you go along. Don't tell me they suspected her of being a terrorist....
I think I remember reading the story in Waily a bit back. I think it ran along lines of her being a "bad mama" because she was "burning a fossil fuel und contributing to global warming und thus creating legacy of sheer misery for her child in its future life... " und she should of course have been at home watching La- La und Tinkty Winkty. Und then there was one who fined the Mama for using natural booby means of tanking up kitten whilst sat on park bench one sunny day....
they usually the ones who score highly on the pee cee tests as well.
fat
I would have responded by putting the phone down and increasing revs to around 5 or 6k with my arms crossed. "I'll fix this by making more plant food!"
Oh how I wish I were surprised by what happened to this guy - but I'm not. No amount of petty, vindictive, unnecessary and downright stupid actions by the Police would surprise me anymore. Just when I think they can't be anymore ridiculous, they go and prove me wrong - so I've just given up being surprised. I don't like to hold all Police Officers in contempt, but it's just getting so hard to have any respect for the institution they represent. Now, I'm sorry to say, I expect a Police Officer to be a pedantic t
t until proven otherwise, rather than the other way around as it was years ago.
t until proven otherwise, rather than the other way around as it was years ago.ATG said:It appears that they interpret this as a "breach of the police"! - Streaky
Thank god he wasnt giving them the finger at the same time - I am sure they would have brought the death penalty back just for that...
No, according to another thread giving the 'Finger' gets you a £80 FPN
rewc said:
This is the same Dorset police who earlier in the week wrote to Bournemouth shop keepers telling them that the police would not respond to thefts of £75 and less.
Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
Isn't it the case that you're not 'legally' parked until you switch your engine off, hence why parking on double yellows isn't illegal if your engine's running.
I can only assume that the officer in question was just an inbred, pedantic idiot.
yellowvette said:
Now, I'm sorry to say, I expect a Police Officer to be a pedantic t
I'm not so sure that's the case. I think it's the system, which values pedantic t
ts over effective policing, promotes them into positions of influence, from where they then proceed to favour other pedantic tts. I don't think this is particular to the Police by *any* stretch. I *cannot* accept that either Brunstrom or Hayman (our old CC, now i/c terrorism I think) got to where they got on *policing ability*, as neither seems to have any of the skills that would make a good copper. They can b/s for Britain though, which is probably more important.
Also, Blairyland favours inane rule following over common sense and initiative ; there's a mentality along the lines of "as long as I follow the laid down policy it will be fine whatever happens because I can blame the policy", whereas someone slightly off the script - however *effective* they may be overall - will get into trouble the one time it goes wrong.
Even if the policy wouldn't have worked anyway ; they usually don't because no-one bothers to ask effective coppers when dreaming them up whether it would actually work in *practice*.
AL666 said:
This is the same Dorset police who earlier in the week wrote to Bournemouth shop keepers telling them that the police would not respond to thefts of £75 and less.
Dorset Police have a history of persecuting motorists. There was the case of the woman who was parked safely with handbrake on making a phone call. She had a child in a safety seat but had left the engine running. She was given a fixed penalty and a lecture about being a bad mother which was so strong it reduced her to tears. The penalty notice was withdrawn after a complaint by her husband and publicity in the local press.
Isn't it the case that you're not 'legally' parked until you switch your engine off, hence why parking on double yellows isn't illegal if your engine's running.
I can only assume that the officer in question was just an inbred, pedantic idiot.
I stand to be corrected here, and assuming she wasn't using 'hands-free' but aren't you supposed to have the keys out of the ignition when using a mobile in a car?
If that is the case then she would have been guilty of something one way or other.
Technically she was guilty because as has been said you are supposed to have the engine switched off if you are using a non hands free mobile.[not sure about keys in ignition].
Dorset police withdrew the offer of the FPN and decided not to prosecute possibly due to the very bad publicity they were receiving. The police woman was 'apparently' very forceful and gave the woman a very strong lecture on how she was causing a danger to her child and the words 'bad mother' were used.
Giving the police the powers to issue FPN's appears to be sensible as it reduces time in processing transgressers for minor offences. The problem is that some police oficers issue them, when in all reality if they had to take the person back to the station and charge them, and then get the CPS to prosecute, the case would never get to court.
I know that the police will say it is only an offer to accept the Fixed Penalty, but as has been shown in the case of speeding offences pressure is applied by saying that the fine & points will be increased if taken to court and found guilty.
Dorset police withdrew the offer of the FPN and decided not to prosecute possibly due to the very bad publicity they were receiving. The police woman was 'apparently' very forceful and gave the woman a very strong lecture on how she was causing a danger to her child and the words 'bad mother' were used.
Giving the police the powers to issue FPN's appears to be sensible as it reduces time in processing transgressers for minor offences. The problem is that some police oficers issue them, when in all reality if they had to take the person back to the station and charge them, and then get the CPS to prosecute, the case would never get to court.
I know that the police will say it is only an offer to accept the Fixed Penalty, but as has been shown in the case of speeding offences pressure is applied by saying that the fine & points will be increased if taken to court and found guilty.
Tonyrec said:
Mind you, the other night a taxi pulled up near my house at 2am and was too lazy to knock at a neighbours door and sat beeping his horn.
Lucky for him he moved off before i could get dressed because i was about to shove it up his bottom.
That is currently one of my pet hates, idiots honking their horns past the hours of 11pm.....nobheads they are.
deltafox said:
Mind you, the other night a taxi pulled up near my house at 2am and was too lazy to knock at a neighbours door and sat beeping his horn.
Lucky for him he moved off before i could get dressed because i was about to shove it up his bottom.
That is currently one of my pet hates, idiots honking their horns past the hours of 11pm.....nobheads they are.
I suspect they have absolutely no idea of the restrictions on sounding their horn any more then they understand box junctions for that matter, nobheads fits the bill, but other words spring to mind............
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