Set the pace - Make the commitment
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To all community contacts in the Congleton Borough area
Cheshire County Council have launched the "Set the Pace - Make the
Commitment" initiative in a bid to reduce the number of fatal and seriously
injured road traffic accidents on our roads every year. Inappropriate speed
is a factor in 43% of crashes and the faster a vehicle is driven the less
chance there is of surviving an impact.
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 40 mph are
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive.
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive.
Cheshire Police and Fire officers and are obliged to attend road traffic
accidents across the county which tie up valuable resources and cost the
community a staggering amount of money every year.
This initiative is aimed at responsible drivers and you are invited to sign
up to it. You will receive a sticker for the rear window which explains why
you are sticking to the speed limits and you will have a calming effect on
the flow of vehicles on Cheshire's road network. It could save someone's
life and it costs nothing. There will be a monthly draw where 2 people will
receive a reward such as shopping vouchers
If you would like to sign up please ring 01244 603602 or e mail
engroadsafetyinformation@cheshire.gov.uk or visit the web site
www.cheshire.gov.uk/roadsafety
aaaaaaaaaaaah now its here spreading faster than bird flu
Cheshire County Council have launched the "Set the Pace - Make the
Commitment" initiative in a bid to reduce the number of fatal and seriously
injured road traffic accidents on our roads every year. Inappropriate speed
is a factor in 43% of crashes and the faster a vehicle is driven the less
chance there is of surviving an impact.
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 40 mph are
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive.
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive.
Cheshire Police and Fire officers and are obliged to attend road traffic
accidents across the county which tie up valuable resources and cost the
community a staggering amount of money every year.
This initiative is aimed at responsible drivers and you are invited to sign
up to it. You will receive a sticker for the rear window which explains why
you are sticking to the speed limits and you will have a calming effect on
the flow of vehicles on Cheshire's road network. It could save someone's
life and it costs nothing. There will be a monthly draw where 2 people will
receive a reward such as shopping vouchers
If you would like to sign up please ring 01244 603602 or e mail
engroadsafetyinformation@cheshire.gov.uk or visit the web site
www.cheshire.gov.uk/roadsafety
aaaaaaaaaaaah now its here spreading faster than bird flu
Sticking TO the speed limits.
Excessive speed full stop causes accidents, not excessive speed over the speed limit?
Seems like they are just signing themselves away to driving excessively within the speed limits!
Silly...
I can see loads more accidents through inappropriate speed for the conditions UNDER the speed limit, more overtaking head-on collissions (these types in their self-ritcheous worlds decide to speed up when people overtake, ignoring the Highway Code and road laws in order to make their viscious single minded point), more road rage, and basically people not making safe progress where it is safe to do so.
Also, wasn't this against the insurance policies rules and regs, as you are driving at a certain pace with respect to traffic calming or similar?
I will laugh when they end up pranging the car and the insurers spot the stickers and don't pay out
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 24th March 16:50
Excessive speed full stop causes accidents, not excessive speed over the speed limit?
Seems like they are just signing themselves away to driving excessively within the speed limits!
Silly...
I can see loads more accidents through inappropriate speed for the conditions UNDER the speed limit, more overtaking head-on collissions (these types in their self-ritcheous worlds decide to speed up when people overtake, ignoring the Highway Code and road laws in order to make their viscious single minded point), more road rage, and basically people not making safe progress where it is safe to do so.
Also, wasn't this against the insurance policies rules and regs, as you are driving at a certain pace with respect to traffic calming or similar?
I will laugh when they end up pranging the car and the insurers spot the stickers and don't pay out
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 24th March 16:50
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 40 mph are
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive
well if they say so, but they forgot
10 out of 10 pratnerships talk total b0ll0x
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive
well if they say so, but they forgot
10 out of 10 pratnerships talk total b0ll0x
turbobloke said:
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 40 mph are
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive
well if they say so, but they forgot
10 out of 10 pratnerships talk total b0ll0x
Hmm, I wonder how accurate the crash analysis is to get a good amount of pedestrian incidents at exactly 40, 30 and 20...
Secondly, it is probably worth mentioning that pretty much the only way a pedestrian will be hit at exactly 30mph will be if someone is mooching along watching the speedo at exactly 30, and does not attempt to brake before they hit the pedestrian.
justinp1 said:
Hmm, I wonder how accurate the crash analysis is to get a good amount of pedestrian incidents at exactly 40, 30 and 20...
Secondly, it is probably worth mentioning that pretty much the only way a pedestrian will be hit at exactly 30mph will be if someone is mooching along watching the speedo at exactly 30, and does not attempt to brake before they hit the pedestrian.
North Wales Daily Post said:
A PENSIONER was knocked over by a car as he crossed a road just 40 metres from a controlled pedestrian crossing. Retired mechanic Noah Edwards, 76, died in hospital two days after he was knocked over on the High Street in Coedpoeth, on January 13. Bachelor Mr Edwards, of Bryn Clywedog, Coedpoeth, was partially sighted and had been an abuser of alcohol, north east Wales coroner John Hughes told a Flint inquest.
As he came along the High Street in Coedpoeth, the driver slowed down because he knew it was a speed trap area. "I checked my speed, looked up again and saw a figure in front of me and slammed on the brakes. He just seemed to be stood there, I didn't see where the pedestrian came from," he said.
North Wales, now isn't that the turf of a certain bibstressball kinda guy?
turbobloke said:
Hmm, I wonder how accurate the crash analysis is to get a good amount of pedestrian incidents at exactly 40, 30 and 20...
Secondly, it is probably worth mentioning that pretty much the only way a pedestrian will be hit at exactly 30mph will be if someone is mooching along watching the speedo at exactly 30, and does not attempt to brake before they hit the pedestrian.North Wales Daily Post said:
A PENSIONER was knocked over by a car as he crossed a road just 40 metres from a controlled pedestrian crossing. Retired mechanic Noah Edwards, 76, died in hospital two days after he was knocked over on the High Street in Coedpoeth, on January 13. Bachelor Mr Edwards, of Bryn Clywedog, Coedpoeth, was partially sighted and had been an abuser of alcohol, north east Wales coroner John Hughes told a Flint inquest.
As he came along the High Street in Coedpoeth, the driver slowed down because he knew it was a speed trap area. "I checked my speed, looked up again and saw a figure in front of me and slammed on the brakes. He just seemed to be stood there, I didn't see where the pedestrian came from," he said.
North Wales, now isn't that the turf of a certain bibstressball kinda guy?
He used to be until he went on to pastures new. His main claim to fame was producing and endorsing the ACPO Code of Practice which much be stringently followed to obtain camera and laser speeding evidence. And we know how that was urinated on and the front page tippexed out and replaced with 'ONLY GUIDELINES' in big letters...
hanse cronje said:
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 40 mph are
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive.
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive.
10 out of 10 pedestrians looking where they are going survive and don't get hit by a vehicle.
Don't people remember the green cross code anymore FFS!
Polarbert said:Less and less. One key aim of this government is to make as many people as possible rely on the State for everything, including opinion and safety. If it comes from the mouthpiece of bliar or brown it's ok and fine, anything else and - heaven forbid - self reliance is unacceptable and must be stamped out. They'll say the opposite of course, encourage enterprise blah blah
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 40 mph are
killed.
5 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 mph survive.
9 out of 10 pedestrians hit by a vehicle travelling at 20 mph survive.
10 out of 10 pedestrians looking where they are going survive and don't get hit by a vehicle.
Don't people remember the green cross code anymore FFS!
I think Lady Macbeth said:BLiar and Brown have so many faces it's a wonder they can still see where to shave.
Look like the flower but be the serpent under it. To beguile the time, look like the time.
LRdriver II said:
I can really see the red mist rising when you realise you are stuck behind someone who is intentionally holding you up...
who cares... overtaking isnt illegal yet is it?..
Only where you speed during the overtake or commit offences under without due care etc.
safespeed said:No obviously it's not, you know that and you;re waiting for vh to reply but I can't.
Only where you speed during the overtake or commit offences under without due care etc.
Do you think that 'avoiding speeding' while overtaking is best practice?
Stay behind an unsafe driver who's travelling below the 85%ile and get involved in one of their frequent accidents (or quickly take valium so you don't care but then you're under the influence of drugs and unsafe), or overtake at the speed limit which effectively means that you won't do so safely just about everywhere, or overtake safely and you're a criminal.
Vonhosen comes on here proclaiming this stuff like it's the Holy Grail of road safety
Mr Whippy said:
..these types in their self-ritcheous worlds decide to speed up when people overtake, ignoring the Highway Code and road laws in order to make their viscious single minded point..
If they stick exactly to 30 or 40, then in almost any car, providing you're in the right gear you can whip past them before they've even noticed.
These adverts of kids walking out in front of cars do annoy me - doesn't anybody think about the mental anquish the car driver goes through? All pedestrians should be compelled to carry 3rd party insurance.
safespeed said:
Only where you speed during the overtake or commit offences under without due care etc.
Do you think that 'avoiding speeding' while overtaking is best practice?
It isn’t speed that makes overtakes safe. It’s accurate observation, anticipation & planning that does.
I honestly believe that what is attempting to be done on a lot of our single carriageway roads, is the gradual design out of overtaking opportunities. It appears that this is being done by reducing limits & engineering design by way of road marking changes or added features.
I can see exactly why they may think this an attractive option though. It’s because people's skill levels, at performing what is essentially one of the riskiest activities on the road, are just not good enough. It is not so much their fault, as their ignorance. They have never been taught how to do it properly. Their observation, anticipation & planning around overtaking, is not consistently safe. The vast majority of drivers, I am sure, if observed for any length of time would reveal serious weaknesses in this area.
As you said in so many words, "It's not about the drivers we wish we had, it's about the drivers we have got."
Many people might do overtakes without collisions, but when their planning (or lack of) around the important points of safe overtaking are looked at in detail, they are found to be wanting. The assessments & judgements they make are often not sound. This leaves us with the undesirable situation, where it is entirely down to luck a lot of the time, as to whether the overtake is safely completed or not. It is an aspect of driving that if errors are present can easily lead to collisions with fatalities, because of the high closing speeds presented by two vehicles meeting head on.
People become too focused on looking to get the overtake in quickly, rather than looking for reasons why perhaps they shouldn’t be doing the overtake at that place, at that time. They just misguidedly think that faster is safer. But of course fast into danger isn’t safe, it’s a dangerous lottery.
It really does look like speed limits are being used (along with other road markings & features) to prevent people being able to perform overtakes. Not because the speed in itself is dangerous, but that it may help in preventing those without the skills in this important area, starting out on the overtakes in the first place or at least limiting their closing speeds.
>> Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 25th March 20:03
one only has to drive on the A road system, particularly on new by passes to see that this the case.
there are many new bypasses or short sections of "improved" roads that appear to be gently curved preventing a significant view ahead that, coupled with a liberal use of white lining and hatched area along the centre of the road, too passively dissuade you from overtaking.
of course, the holy than thou my speed idiot only adds to the problems ending up with a slow camel train from town to town.
there are many new bypasses or short sections of "improved" roads that appear to be gently curved preventing a significant view ahead that, coupled with a liberal use of white lining and hatched area along the centre of the road, too passively dissuade you from overtaking.
of course, the holy than thou my speed idiot only adds to the problems ending up with a slow camel train from town to town.
vonhosen said:
Only where you speed during the overtake or commit offences under without due care etc.
Do you think that 'avoiding speeding' while overtaking is best practice?
It isn’t speed that makes overtakes safe. It’s accurate observation, anticipation & planning that does.
I honestly believe that what is attempting to be done on a lot of our single carriageway roads, is the gradual design out of overtaking opportunities. It appears that this is being done by reducing limits & engineering design by way of road marking changes or added features.
I can see exactly why they may think this an attractive option though. It’s because people's skill levels, at performing what is essentially one of the riskiest activities on the road, are just not good enough. It is not so much their fault, as their ignorance. They have never been taught how to do it properly. Their observation, anticipation & planning around overtaking, is not consistently safe. The vast majority of drivers, I am sure, if observed for any length of time would reveal serious weaknesses in this area.
As you said in so many words, "It's not about the drivers we wish we had, it's about the drivers we have got."
Many people might do overtakes without collisions, but when their planning (or lack of) around the important points of safe overtaking are looked at in detail, they are found to be wanting. The assessments & judgements they make are often not sound. This leaves us with the undesirable situation, where it is entirely down to luck a lot of the time, as to whether the overtake is safely completed or not. It is an aspect of driving that if errors are present can easily lead to collisions with fatalities, because of the high closing speeds presented by two vehicles meeting head on.
People become too focused on looking to get the overtake in quickly, rather than looking for reasons why perhaps they shouldn’t be doing the overtake at that place, at that time. They just misguidedly think that faster is safer. But of course fast into danger isn’t safe, it’s a dangerous lottery.
It really does look like speed limits are being used (along with other road markings & features) to prevent people being able to perform overtakes. Not because the speed in itself is dangerous, but that it may help in preventing those without the skills in this important area, starting out on the overtakes in the first place or at least limiting their closing speeds.
Some really good comments - and I agree completely about overtaking skills...
But is that a yes or a no?
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