Why was the 70 limit introduced?
Discussion
Just a random thought. I wonder how many of the SCP staff are included in the government's oft-quoted figures for the number of additional police since they came to power?
I know SCP staff are technically not police officers, or even employed by the Police, but I wonder if there's any number juggling going on? Wouldn't put it past them!
I know SCP staff are technically not police officers, or even employed by the Police, but I wonder if there's any number juggling going on? Wouldn't put it past them!
francisb said:
The income generation myth really doesn't hold true, there are far easier ways to raise a paltry £42 million in four years, for far less aggro.
thats £42m profit right? thats profit AFTER paying wages and expenses of all the scamera parasite partnerhips. so actualy if you are employed by them income generation is quite important!
Yes it's profit, that they are not allowed to keep it goes to government.
From 2007 they won't even be funded from the camera fines (netting off), they will be funded direct from central government.
s2art said:
Well the 70 limit was purely arbitary AFAIK, just a guess. And that was 40 years ago when crossply tyres resembling that of a bicycle were coupled to drum brakes on cars which had the suspension and handling characteristics of a steamed pudding.
If 70MPH was safe then something like 250MPH should be OK now!
The vehicle is least likely to be the weak link in the chain & most limiting factor.
No sh1t Sherlock. Actually many/most of the cars on the road in the early 1960's WERE the weakest link if going much beyond 70MPH was the issue.
Moggie pre - Wild treatment ...
Got a bit tired at constant 60 mph 
Moggie post Wildy treatment..
Ist a pleasing ride
Can hold its own with the other big cats in the garage 
But if you drive one of these classics .. even the Stag.. und other truly gorgeous full bodied cars - you note they are a hell of a lot heavier to handle, steer etc.. und because they are heavy (huge - muscly wings ) - they did not go very fast..
BliarOut said:
Well if anyone can see a hole in their statement I'm quite happy to run it by the ASA
The majority of limits are arbitrary, set according to the class of road without any safety audit being done.
Complain.
More info on adverts and advertiser and I'd complain too.
Always persecute scameratti, keep 'em rattled.
WildCat said:
Well the 70 limit was purely arbitary AFAIK, just a guess. And that was 40 years ago when crossply tyres resembling that of a bicycle were coupled to drum brakes on cars which had the suspension and handling characteristics of a steamed pudding.
If 70MPH was safe then something like 250MPH should be OK now!
The vehicle is least likely to be the weak link in the chain & most limiting factor.
No sh1t Sherlock. Actually many/most of the cars on the road in the early 1960's WERE the weakest link if going much beyond 70MPH was the issue.
Moggie pre - Wild treatment ...
Moggie post Wildy treatment..
Ist a pleasing ride
But if you drive one of these classics .. even the Stag.. und other truly gorgeous full bodied cars - you note they are a hell of a lot heavier to handle, steer etc.. und because they are heavy (huge - muscly wings ) - they did not go very fast..
Not that the Stag was from the EARLY sixties. Stories I have heard from that period suggest that most of the cars on the road were built in the fifties or earlier, suspensions were rubbish, brakes rubbish, tyres rubbish, lights rubbish. Much of which was down to less than optimum maintenance. Must have been quite scarey to drive at the heady hights of 70MPH!
s2art said:
Not that the Stag was from the EARLY sixties. Stories I have heard from that period suggest that most of the cars on the road were built in the fifties or earlier, suspensions were rubbish, brakes rubbish, tyres rubbish, lights rubbish. Much of which was down to less than optimum maintenance. Must have been quite scarey to drive at the heady hights of 70MPH!
Too true, but now that cars are that much better, we have more rubbish drivers? or is it just that you tend to notice it more.
vipers said:
Not that the Stag was from the EARLY sixties. Stories I have heard from that period suggest that most of the cars on the road were built in the fifties or earlier, suspensions were rubbish, brakes rubbish, tyres rubbish, lights rubbish. Much of which was down to less than optimum maintenance. Must have been quite scarey to drive at the heady hights of 70MPH!
Too true, but now that cars are that much better, we have more rubbish drivers? or is it just that you tend to notice it more.
Again from tales related to me, driving was no better, possibly worse as there were many people on the road who never took a proper test (got licence in the forces etc.). But the roads were empty to compensate.
Half an hour before the 70 limit was introduced in December 1965 I had the priviledge of driving a 3.8 Mk 2 Jag with 'D-Type' engine mods, full competition suspension and brakes and Dunlop RS5 tyres at 140 mph between Newport Pagnall Services and Luton on the M1. All quite legal and it seemed safe. Virtually empty road at that time in our history.
Ahhhhhh, the '60's. Sex & drugs & rock & roll.
Ahhhhhh, the '60's. Sex & drugs & rock & roll.
hallmark said:
Just a random thought. I wonder how many of the SCP staff are included in the government's oft-quoted figures for the number of additional police since they came to power?
I know SCP staff are technically not police officers, or even employed by the Police, but I wonder if there's any number juggling going on? Wouldn't put it past them!
Very interesting question - in the same vein as quoting those unemployed on training courses as not on the unemployed register
BliarOut said:
My local Scameraship have a new advert on the local busses. It says "speed limits are set for your safety" Now I thought the 70 limit was introduced to conserve fuel and was simply never repealed. Does anyone know categorically why the 70 limit was introduced?
I just need to know, as if they are wrong I need to drop the ASA a quick line... After all, the law is the law
I thought it had to do with one AC Cobra.
groucho said:Please see page 2 of this thread.
My local Scameraship have a new advert on the local busses. It says "speed limits are set for your safety" Now I thought the 70 limit was introduced to conserve fuel and was simply never repealed. Does anyone know categorically why the 70 limit was introduced?
I just need to know, as if they are wrong I need to drop the ASA a quick line... After all, the law is the law
I thought it had to do with one AC Cobra.
It was introduced following a series of serious accidents in foggy conditions.
One could argue that its introduction was inevitable, irrespective of an unusual spike in KSIs, simply because of Britain's obsession with rules to restrict people's behaviour.
jazzyjeff said:
Why was the 70 limit introduced? ENVY politics by a person without a driving license... as is ALWAYS done by Labour........... what do you exopect from those workshy shysters..... Wilson was a damned murdering commie criminal but bLIAR is worse.....we've just got to wait for the revolution and string the barsteward up!!!!
Can we leave the straight-jacketed foaming at the mouth at the door please?!
If you actually read the thread you'll realise that its been confirmed three times by separate posters that Castle didn't bring the limit in!
JJ
Jazzy - don't try and persuade him. Numbnuts like JMGS4 always want to blame everything on Labour, or New Labour, or whoever.
Amazing thing is, he was probably sh!te at school, but now pretends to know about politics.
Not only that, when will he realise that 'Bliar' was funny the first time (yes, even to Labourites), amusing the second, a tad tedious the third time, but now it's not big, and it's not clever.
So, JMGS4 you silly little fickwut, assuming you can read, go back, check the previous threads, and you will see THAT IT WASN'T CASTLE!!!
Right guys, carry on the debate, it's all jolly interesting.
Re the slating of those responsible for a 70 nsl, there is every need for a JMGS4 style mini rant!
That dreadful bint (Castle) could've quite easily restored derestriction but she didn't, right?
Why? Easy - control freakery - the hallmark of communism and under this mob, thinly disguised champagne socialism at the helm (personified by Cruella de Bliar) whilst the enforcers are an angry rump of old guard tea & butty unionista (aka grotty swathes of jealous bone idle.)
There's only one thing you can do with socialists if you can't charge at 'em: verbal abuse.
Petty pointless but damn good fun.
Beaargh!!
>> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 15th April 17:15
That dreadful bint (Castle) could've quite easily restored derestriction but she didn't, right?
Why? Easy - control freakery - the hallmark of communism and under this mob, thinly disguised champagne socialism at the helm (personified by Cruella de Bliar) whilst the enforcers are an angry rump of old guard tea & butty unionista (aka grotty swathes of jealous bone idle.)
There's only one thing you can do with socialists if you can't charge at 'em: verbal abuse.
Petty pointless but damn good fun.
Beaargh!! >> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 15th April 17:15
Big Fat F'er said:
Why was the 70 limit introduced? ENVY politics by a person without a driving license... as is ALWAYS done by Labour........... what do you exopect from those workshy shysters..... Wilson was a damned murdering commie criminal but bLIAR is worse.....we've just got to wait for the revolution and string the barsteward up!!!!
Can we leave the straight-jacketed foaming at the mouth at the door please?!
If you actually read the thread you'll realise that its been confirmed three times by separate posters that Castle didn't bring the limit in!
JJ
Jazzy - don't try and persuade him. Numbnuts like JMGS4 always want to blame everything on Labour, or New Labour, or whoever.
Amazing thing is, he was probably sh!te at school, but now pretends to know about politics.
Not only that, when will he realise that 'Bliar' was funny the first time (yes, even to Labourites), amusing the second, a tad tedious the third time, but now it's not big, and it's not clever.
So, JMGS4 you silly little fickwut, assuming you can read, go back, check the previous threads, and you will see THAT IT WASN'T CASTLE!!!
Right guys, carry on the debate, it's all jolly interesting.
Steady on t
t face , mind your manners when reffering to JMGS4 and its Mr JMGS4 to you flemke said:
My local Scameraship have a new advert on the local busses. It says "speed limits are set for your safety" Now I thought the 70 limit was introduced to conserve fuel and was simply never repealed. Does anyone know categorically why the 70 limit was introduced?
I just need to know, as if they are wrong I need to drop the ASA a quick line... After all, the law is the law
I thought it had to do with one AC Cobra.
It was introduced following a series of serious accidents in foggy conditions.
Well I definitely remember seeing in-car footage on the idiot box at the time. The figure of 165 mph rings a bell in the emeory box.* Cannot remember the vehicle involved though even to my 13/14 year old eyes it looked a bit rapid and great fun. On the other hand my regular transport was in the back seat of an A40 Somerset so no great shakes for comparisons there.
Also seem to recall some alleged GT40 Le Mans testing at Mulsanne speeds. About the same era methinks.
edited
*or even the memory box DOH!
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Saturday 15th April 17:41
RE the ration books and the fuel crisis that was definitely mid 70s.
I remember at the time I had a rally car which would start to misfire if kept to 50 mph in top, so I had to speed or drop a gear. Very fuel efficient.
I tended to choose to drop a gear because in those days before Vascar and radar/cameras etc enforcement was generally down to plod Mk1 eyeball and a following check.
Anyone breaking the 70 limit as the NSL was then* basically needed to have the corroborating check on the prior opinion. Anyone exceeding to 50 limit stuck out like a sore thumb and it just needed two prior opinions and no corroboraton to get a conviction. Hence behaving oneself.
*this was before the further emasculatio of the NSL with the 50,60,70 temporary limits order and continuations thereof.
I remember at the time I had a rally car which would start to misfire if kept to 50 mph in top, so I had to speed or drop a gear. Very fuel efficient.
I tended to choose to drop a gear because in those days before Vascar and radar/cameras etc enforcement was generally down to plod Mk1 eyeball and a following check.
Anyone breaking the 70 limit as the NSL was then* basically needed to have the corroborating check on the prior opinion. Anyone exceeding to 50 limit stuck out like a sore thumb and it just needed two prior opinions and no corroboraton to get a conviction. Hence behaving oneself.
*this was before the further emasculatio of the NSL with the 50,60,70 temporary limits order and continuations thereof.
derestrictor said:
Re the slating of those responsible for a 70 nsl, there is every need for a JMGS4 style mini rant!
That dreadful bint (Castle) could've quite easily restored derestriction but she didn't, right?
Why? Easy - control freakery - the hallmark of communism and under this mob, thinly disguised champagne socialism at the helm (personified by Cruella de Bliar) whilst the enforcers are an angry rump of old guard tea & butty unionista (aka grotty swathes of jealous bone idle.)
There's only one thing you can do with socialists if you can't charge at 'em: verbal abuse.
Petty pointless but damn good fun.
>> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 15th April 17:15
Shame also, Mr Small, that dreadful bint Thatcher and her cronies didn't bother to change it either. And had the temerity to introduce the concept of the speed camera...(sorry, dropped out of politically neutral for a second there, lol! ;-) )
JJ
s2art said:
Not that the Stag was from the EARLY sixties. Stories I have heard from that period suggest that most of the cars on the road were built in the fifties or earlier, suspensions were rubbish, brakes rubbish, tyres rubbish, lights rubbish. Much of which was down to less than optimum maintenance. Must have been quite scarey to drive at the heady hights of 70MPH!
Too true, but now that cars are that much better, we have more rubbish drivers? or is it just that you tend to notice it more.
Again from tales related to me, driving was no better, possibly worse as there were many people on the road who never took a proper test (got licence in the forces etc.). But the roads were empty to compensate.
Didnt quite understand the bit about got licence in the forces? sort of implied they didnt do a test?, was that a long time ago or wot? I took my HGV3 and HGV1 conversion whilst in the Royal Navy in the 70's and all was examined by a qualified civilian driving examiner.
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