PC's death near Newcastle
Discussion
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PC Joe Carroll was a brother in law of a friend of mine. Story is that he had arrested the suspect, who was known to him and considered non-threatening. The suspect was apparently in the back seat and accompanied by another policman. As they approached a curve, he lunged forward and engaged the handbrake. The car rolled, and PC Carroll was killed outright.
My condolences to his family and colleagues.
PC Joe Carroll was a brother in law of a friend of mine. Story is that he had arrested the suspect, who was known to him and considered non-threatening. The suspect was apparently in the back seat and accompanied by another policman. As they approached a curve, he lunged forward and engaged the handbrake. The car rolled, and PC Carroll was killed outright.
My condolences to his family and colleagues.
Hm.
I'm very sorry this Officer died, but I'm not convinced going down the H&S route like there's no tomorrow is the answer. Sometimes 'sh*t happens'. The consequence of taking 'action' in this sort of case may be to further reduce the options of working BiB to take their own decisions. Even if you were to have roll cages or similar this wouldn't make it 'safe'.
I'm reminded of the unfortunate cop who died in London falling through a roof when chasing someone. H&S went absolutely nuts over it and tried to sue the Met Chief (and lost) demanding risk assessments before chases, and about £3m of public money was wasted on it.
It's usually a bad idea to bring in policies on the hoof of this sort of incident. Dunblane (Guns) and Soham (Checks) spring to mind. These things 'sound good' in the heat of the moment but are usually (i) hideously expensive and wasteful (ii) cause consequent problems and (iii) don't actually work.
So, while going nuts over vehicles might help this *specific incident* from not happening again, a better general solution might be to return discretion to Police Officers, shoot the H&S morons, and spend the money saved on things which would generally improve the safety of the Police ; most likely more and better equipped (not gadgets) Police Officers.
I'm very sorry this Officer died, but I'm not convinced going down the H&S route like there's no tomorrow is the answer. Sometimes 'sh*t happens'. The consequence of taking 'action' in this sort of case may be to further reduce the options of working BiB to take their own decisions. Even if you were to have roll cages or similar this wouldn't make it 'safe'.
I'm reminded of the unfortunate cop who died in London falling through a roof when chasing someone. H&S went absolutely nuts over it and tried to sue the Met Chief (and lost) demanding risk assessments before chases, and about £3m of public money was wasted on it.
It's usually a bad idea to bring in policies on the hoof of this sort of incident. Dunblane (Guns) and Soham (Checks) spring to mind. These things 'sound good' in the heat of the moment but are usually (i) hideously expensive and wasteful (ii) cause consequent problems and (iii) don't actually work.
So, while going nuts over vehicles might help this *specific incident* from not happening again, a better general solution might be to return discretion to Police Officers, shoot the H&S morons, and spend the money saved on things which would generally improve the safety of the Police ; most likely more and better equipped (not gadgets) Police Officers.
The guy who did it is a staff seargent at Sandhurst, it was after a domestic dispute, he was being taken from Hexham to Newcastle as there weren't any cells in Hexham. I believe he's also being charged for actual bodily harm on the inspector who was in the car.
Sounds more like he kicked off and tried to beat the bobbies senseless with something. Although the car was on it's roof, there wasn't a great deal of damage so either something went through the drivers window when the car went up the embankment, or the guy had something on him and tried to use his "army skills".
Sounds more like he kicked off and tried to beat the bobbies senseless with something. Although the car was on it's roof, there wasn't a great deal of damage so either something went through the drivers window when the car went up the embankment, or the guy had something on him and tried to use his "army skills".
jewhoo said:
The guy who did it is a staff seargent at Sandhurst, it was after a domestic dispute, he was being taken from Hexham to Newcastle as there weren't any cells in Hexham. I believe he's also being charged for actual bodily harm on the inspector who was in the car.
Sounds more like he kicked off and tried to beat the bobbies senseless with something. Although the car was on it's roof, there wasn't a great deal of damage so either something went through the drivers window when the car went up the embankment, or the guy had something on him and tried to use his "army skills".
I heard that the handbrake was yanked fully on. Something like the 17th notch...when 6 were apparently enough to lock the wheels.
It seems the suspect was well known to the PC and they had dealt with similar incidents in the past with no problem.
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