Neighbour Driving Untaxed Car
Discussion
vesuvius996 said:
Blue polar - so if he has got a disc he can show it and all will be well.
Like I say maybe he doesn't realise it is not on the car - who knows - we certainly don't. I'm just gettting depressed at the growing number of "shall i shop my neighbour" threads - its a very slippery slope for a country to go down. Just hope that people don't complain when their neighbours shop them for a transgression of the law - which everyone and I mean everyone will do on a fairly frequent basis.
Pickled Piper said:
I have a neighbour that is out of the Country for most of the year. I see him driving his car when he is back in the Country. I know his car is untaxed and I suspect it is also uninsured and he does not have a driver's license.
If I report it to the Police are they likely to take any action ?
pp
I'd shop him in a heart beat....
F.M said:
Very dissapointing...Ok if it`s something personal but road tax..?..
If it was a one-off, i.e. he'd forgotten for a few weeks, or if he'd JUST come back off hols, then fair enough. Everyone can make mistakes, I do believe in 'benefit of the doubt' for stuff like this.
But if it's conscious and considered, then I would suggest that RFL isn't the only thing he's avoiding...and I agree wholeheartedly with the comments re uninsured drivers!
Blue - if someone next door to me was a thief, or a child abuser, I would shop them.
Period.
Uninsured scum and tax dodgers cost you and me money.
With rights come responsbilities. I have to pay what's due to enjoy the right to drive a car. So should he. I don't agree with the tax regime in this country, but I pay. So do all the other PHers.
>> Edited by vesuvius996 on Monday 24th April 21:30
Period.
Uninsured scum and tax dodgers cost you and me money.
With rights come responsbilities. I have to pay what's due to enjoy the right to drive a car. So should he. I don't agree with the tax regime in this country, but I pay. So do all the other PHers.
>> Edited by vesuvius996 on Monday 24th April 21:30
vesuvius996 said:
Blue - if someone next door to me was a thief, or a child abuser, I would shop them.
Period.
Uninsured scum and tax dodgers cost you and me money.
With rights come responsbilities. I have to pay what's due to enjoy the right to drive a car. So should he. I don't agree with the tax regime in this country, but I pay. So do all the other PHers.
I have to pay more for my music because people because people abuse copyright meaning music company profits are hurt. Should I shop you because you breach copyright by copying your CDs onto your MP3 player so you can play them in the car?
Maybe I should ring up FAST because I am sure you said you use Word and I can't believe you have a legit copy.
Most people know where the line is and when the "greater good" demands action. The world will not be a nice place when you are afraid your friends and family will be spying on you.
>> Edited by bluepolarbear on Tuesday 25th April 08:00
Bloody glad I don't live near some of you... My BM is on the road for a while till I can get it fixed. It's bent so it's not roadworthy but that's where the recovery company left it. It's right at the end of a cul de sac next to my house and it's not going anywhere till I can replace the trailing arm over the bank holiday.
Thankfully my neighbours are friendly, have a chat and a laugh about me bending my P&J and then carry on their merry way. It'll be sorted soon, total time sat on the road will be about two weeks. But, I'm keeping an unroadworthy car on the public highway. Should I also be reported?
Thankfully my neighbours are friendly, have a chat and a laugh about me bending my P&J and then carry on their merry way. It'll be sorted soon, total time sat on the road will be about two weeks. But, I'm keeping an unroadworthy car on the public highway. Should I also be reported?
BliarOut said:
But, I'm keeping an unroadworthy car on the public highway. Should I also be reported?
I think you've completely missed the point. The neighbour is driving around in a potentially untaxed, uninsured car, possibly without even a valid driving license showing competence to drive. Notwithstanding the "fair play" issue, if he has an accident the ramifications for any third party would be appalling.
Your car is sat in the road going nowhere. If anyone hits it they only have themselves to blame...
"I have to pay more for my music because people because people abuse copyright meaning music company profits are hurt. Should I shop you because you breach copyright by copying your CDs onto your MP3 player so you can play them in the car?
Maybe I should ring up FAST because I am sure you said you use Word and I can't believe you have a legit copy."
Without wishing to get into a pointless argument, I am actually a member of FAST and do enforcement work on their behalf - as an IT lawyer, I do indeed have a registered copy of Word. I don't expect my intellectual work to be ripped off, and I don't do it to other people.
Anyway, enough already.
>> Edited by vesuvius996 on Tuesday 25th April 12:29
BliarOut said:
Bloody glad I don't live near some of you... My BM is on the road for a while till I can get it fixed. It's bent so it's not roadworthy but that's where the recovery company left it. It's right at the end of a cul de sac next to my house and it's not going anywhere till I can replace the trailing arm over the bank holiday.
Thankfully my neighbours are friendly, have a chat and a laugh about me bending my P&J and then carry on their merry way. It'll be sorted soon, total time sat on the road will be about two weeks. But, I'm keeping an unroadworthy car on the public highway. Should I also be reported?
Have you SORNed it you reprobate you?
Theres an easy way to find out if its taxed - go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/index.jsp , select the 'vehicle enquiry' option (4th one down on the left had side) and type in the reg number. It should tell you the current tax status of the vehicle
Yugguy said:It may be bent
Bloody glad I don't live near some of you... My BM is on the road for a while till I can get it fixed. It's bent so it's not roadworthy but that's where the recovery company left it. It's right at the end of a cul de sac next to my house and it's not going anywhere till I can replace the trailing arm over the bank holiday.
Thankfully my neighbours are friendly, have a chat and a laugh about me bending my P&J and then carry on their merry way. It'll be sorted soon, total time sat on the road will be about two weeks. But, I'm keeping an unroadworthy car on the public highway. Should I also be reported?
Have you SORNed it you reprobate you?
but it's still taxed and insured.bluepolarbear said:
Blue - if someone next door to me was a thief, or a child abuser, I would shop them.
Period.
Uninsured scum and tax dodgers cost you and me money.
With rights come responsbilities. I have to pay what's due to enjoy the right to drive a car. So should he. I don't agree with the tax regime in this country, but I pay. So do all the other PHers.
I have to pay more for my music because people because people abuse copyright meaning music company profits are hurt. Should I shop you because you breach copyright by copying your CDs onto your MP3 player so you can play them in the car?
Maybe I should ring up FAST because I am sure you said you use Word and I can't believe you have a legit copy.
Most people know where the line is and when the "greater good" demands action. The world will not be a nice place when you are afraid your friends and family will be spying on you.
>> Edited by bluepolarbear on Tuesday 25th April 08:00
That I believe is actually legitamite and legal
If you've boughtthe CD, YOU CAN make a backup, or tape it, or whatever, for your own personal use...
strat giving it to your mates, point it out, then shop em.
B
james_j said:
My feelings on this: don't be a sneak, it'll come back on you one day and will ultimately make the UK a worse place to live if we all happily do the government's work for them by spying and sneaking on our neighbours.
So it's OK for me to pick and choose what laws I want to follow then, what if you don't agree with me.
[quote=bjwoods
That I believe is actually legitamite and legal
If you've boughtthe CD, YOU CAN make a backup, or tape it, or whatever, for your own personal use...
strat giving it to your mates, point it out, then shop em.
B[/quote]
UK Copyright has no fair play provisions. Read the copyright on the CD - no transcodings. Which is why most DRM locked downloads limit the number of devices it can be played on.
That I believe is actually legitamite and legal
If you've boughtthe CD, YOU CAN make a backup, or tape it, or whatever, for your own personal use...
strat giving it to your mates, point it out, then shop em.
B[/quote]
UK Copyright has no fair play provisions. Read the copyright on the CD - no transcodings. Which is why most DRM locked downloads limit the number of devices it can be played on.
There is a tricky moral issue with dobbing someone in: We all commit small transgressions, and presumably believe they are not significant enough to warrant our punishment. Everyone has different standards: the neighbour may believe that car tax is not justified when the car is driven 5 days a year, and therefore ignore it: You may, one year, be a few days late paying said tax as I have been.
The point is that there's a scale involved, and because it's a subjective scale it's hard to pinpoint what offences should be instantly reported and which are best approached another way. I should think everyone will agree that for assault, rape, murder etc. there is no question but to report what you know.
Regarding road tax as with any fixed amount or indirect taxation it is inherently unfair, but arguably it is unreasonable for someone to refuse to pay what the rest of us must. Insurance is a much more serious issue IMHO.
These things are fundamentally opposed on the severity scale to private (ie non-commercial) software theft, which is essentially a victimless crime. In fact, society as a whole probably benefits from improved workforce skills caused by piracy. The IP brigade has in the past few years behaved atrociously and contributed more significantly to degradation of respect for human rights than any other pressure group (even anti-speed ones!!). The legal issues here are inseparable from moral or philosophical arguments, and currently the IP issue has swung in the favour of protection of the private interests of the rich few. This year there is to be a joint conference between the media (music, software, film) and biotech industries about how best to cooperate in achieving further restrictions on people's rights. These restrictions are killing people, everyday.
And before you suggest that I think of the poor programmers/artists/scientists in whose name the FACT presumes to act, I am all of those and deplore the work being undertaken in my name.
regards
dave
The point is that there's a scale involved, and because it's a subjective scale it's hard to pinpoint what offences should be instantly reported and which are best approached another way. I should think everyone will agree that for assault, rape, murder etc. there is no question but to report what you know.
Regarding road tax as with any fixed amount or indirect taxation it is inherently unfair, but arguably it is unreasonable for someone to refuse to pay what the rest of us must. Insurance is a much more serious issue IMHO.
These things are fundamentally opposed on the severity scale to private (ie non-commercial) software theft, which is essentially a victimless crime. In fact, society as a whole probably benefits from improved workforce skills caused by piracy. The IP brigade has in the past few years behaved atrociously and contributed more significantly to degradation of respect for human rights than any other pressure group (even anti-speed ones!!). The legal issues here are inseparable from moral or philosophical arguments, and currently the IP issue has swung in the favour of protection of the private interests of the rich few. This year there is to be a joint conference between the media (music, software, film) and biotech industries about how best to cooperate in achieving further restrictions on people's rights. These restrictions are killing people, everyday.
And before you suggest that I think of the poor programmers/artists/scientists in whose name the FACT presumes to act, I am all of those and deplore the work being undertaken in my name.
regards
dave
james_j said:
My feelings on this: don't be a sneak, it'll come back on you one day and will ultimately make the UK a worse place to live if we all happily do the government's work for them by spying and sneaking on our neighbours.
Worse case scenario, suppose the car in question is un-taxed, un-insured, driver has no license, runs down pedestrian, who due to their injuries, is then a quadaplegic.
Injured party sues say for 2 mill, big deal, driver has no insurance, and you can be smug and say to yourself "Yes, I could have prevented that",
I dont mean prevent the accident, but prevent the injured party living in povity for the rest of their life, with perhaps mum and dad having to wait on them hand and foot.
Are we getting to the point whereby we see a burgler breaking into a neighbours house, and dont bother calling it in?
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