Can motorbikes be caught with front facing lasers?

[the t boy]

On the way home tonight there was a scamera van parked on my side of the road in the shade under some trees, catching drivers coming over the brow of a hillas the angle of the sun made it difficult to see the van parked in the road.

I was on my bike and possibly over the limit but I'm not sure as I was actually watching the road not my speed due to the difficult conditions. My question is that obviously I don't have a front number plate but can the scammers capture my speed using the laser and then note my plate details separately as I go past? If so how would this stack up as "uninterrupted footage" or does that not matter?

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[Boosted LS1]

I think they can do this as some of them carry binoculars for this purpose. Also, I read on another thread about some scammer vans having a forward facing camera to catch you after you have past, Poole Quay on a Tuesday night will be a target area. That said, it could be argued that the have no proof it's the same motorbike etc.

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[vonhosen]

Boosted LS1 said:

I think they can do this as some of them carry binoculars for this purpose. Also, I read on another thread about some scammer vans having a forward facing camera to catch you after you have past, Poole Quay on a Tuesday night will be a target area. That said, it could be argued that the have no proof it's the same motorbike etc.

Boosted.

The evidence it's the same bike is the testimony of the operator.

Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 22 June 19:23

[Boosted LS1]

vonhosen said:

Boosted LS1 said:

I think they can do this as some of them carry binoculars for this purpose. Also, I read on another thread about some scammer vans having a forward facing camera to catch you after you have past, Poole Quay on a Tuesday night will be a target area. That said, it could be argued that the have no proof it's the same motorbike etc.

Boosted.

The evidence it's the same bike is the testimony of the operator.

Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 22 June 19:23

That's what I thought, something else subject to scrutiny should the need arise.

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[LongQ]

They don't need two cameras, just track the vehicle as it passes the van and grab a frame or two as a rear shot, then swing back the other way and pick any vehicle they like as they do so. From the front, from the rear, no problem.

If they wave it about often enough they may even get a few parked cars they can send a NIP to.

Watching a few minutes of Scamera video from a relatively busy road should be compulsory for all drivers in my opinion. That way road user camaradarie might just develop enough to allow us to get to the point where nobody passes a camera at more than 10mph. If that doesn't kill off the cash cow and its keepers nothing will.

[matchless]

good idea, how about everyone driving at 20 MPH below the posted limit that would cause chaos and make a point surely as the whole of Britain grinds to a standstill?

[cptsideways]

Bikes are a little more difficult to zap, was anybody behind you ? as it may be them behind that the laser actually saw.

Always ask for the evidence

[Exige46]

If the conditions were that difficult and you were riding accordingly, then you won't have anything to worry about

There was some chap on a biker forum who was stopped by the police, who had around 30 various front shots of his bike going through various front facing cameras - they had decided that the serial speeder was worth pursuing. His bike was identified as it wasn't particularly common, and had a headlight conversion and identifiable sticker on the front.

Still - if he always broke the speedlimit, and hadn't crashed - its probably not a coincidence!

[tigger1]

cptsideways said:

Bikes are a little more difficult to zap, was anybody behind you ? as it may be them behind that the laser actually saw.

Always ask for the evidence

Does seem difficult to hit a flat surface on the front of a bike (if the operator is following the guidelines).

[thx1138]

Exige46 said:

If the conditions were that difficult and you were riding accordingly, then you won't have anything to worry about

There was some chap on a biker forum who was stopped by the police, who had around 30 various front shots of his bike going through various front facing cameras - they had decided that the serial speeder was worth pursuing. His bike was identified as it wasn't particularly common, and had a headlight conversion and identifiable sticker on the front.

Still - if he always broke the speedlimit, and hadn't crashed - its probably not a coincidence!

Hi, i'm new, my brother mods the Monaro forum, but I don't drive cars. Saw this issue being discussed on a couple of other forums last week, here is a copy/paste of a post I came across;


For some time I have been ignoring front facing speed cameras on the basis that they can't get a number plate.
Yesterday afternoon I was stopped by police who produced 20 pictures of my bike going through cameras. They told me that there were only 3 Red R1150RT in the area and mine was the only one with extra spotlights and a sticker above the headlight.
I spent 6 hours yesterday in the police station and am looking at a ban of at least six months (probably nearer two years). My job will go and probably my home as well.
I have been bailed till August 1st. I'll keep you informed.

The police officers had a pile of photos of other bikes as well. They are out looking for bikes!!!

http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads

[hertsbiker]

still can't prove it was you riding.
No number, no way of knowing it was you. No link. This is a false alert.

[supersport]

I was under the vague impression that there are some issues with catching bikes with a front facing laser, to do insufficient flat surfaces, many are angular and dispers the beam. Also there could be the potential to measure the speed of the outer rim of the front wheel which is travelling at a different speed to the bike.

Not an expert so don't no for sure.

[james_j]

...in the shade under some trees, catching drivers coming over the brow of a hill as the angle of the sun made it difficult to see the van parked in the road...

Typical ...

[allaway]

I guess it was the police's fault that the sun was low in the sky?

[Boosted LS1]

They need the plate to make an i/d but the'll probably extract a confession if he doesn't know what his rights are. He'll get a caution to, unlike the rest of us!

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[the t boy]

A bit of mixed opinion then. I guess I've just got to wait a couple of weeks.......

[smeggy]

supersport said:

many [surfaces] are angular and dispers the beam.

Doesn't matter, the beam returned to the gun is the one that counts.

supersport said:

Also there could be the potential to measure the speed of the outer rim of the front wheel which is travelling at a different speed to the bike.

Lidar (laser) doesn't work like that because the system doesn't measure target surface's velocity - think about it: that's how it suffers from slip!!!!

[smeggy]

tigger1 said:

cptsideways said:

Bikes are a little more difficult to zap, was anybody behind you ? as it may be them behind that the laser actually saw.

Always ask for the evidence

Does seem difficult to hit a flat surface on the front of a bike (if the operator is following the guidelines).

It's worse than you think; the 3 beams claim (from the LTI) has been proven - caught on camera. At distance, the operator could correctly aim the gun at a bike yet have the beams pass either side of it.

[smeggy]

matchless said:

good idea, how about everyone driving at 20 MPH below the posted limit that would cause chaos and make a point surely as the whole of Britain grinds to a standstill?

Unfortunately, the SCPs would retaliate by doing a ‘speed limit review’ of that site and have that speed limit reduced accordingly (just like they’re doing all over the country right now)

[Pigeon]

matchless said:

good idea, how about everyone driving at 20 MPH below the posted limit that would cause chaos and make a point surely as the whole of Britain grinds to a standstill?

But that happens anyway... in front there's either a truck doing its 40 limit or a 42mph numpty, then a queue of 20 cars which neither try to overtake themselves nor drive in such a manner as to facilitate less lethargic drivers hopping past. If you're lucky, after 15 miles you finally make it past the queue, then you make reasonable progress for 1 mile, then you hit the next lot.