"Offer" of training.
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Well whoopee 
in doo...
As a result of an "incident" a few months back I have an "offer of training"
Now I am all of a quandry... So, according to the letter the police are "satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to support a prosecution against you in that your driving fell below the standard expected of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver".
So if your evidence is that good, charge me and right off. I suspect the truth is that they think I'll roll over which is not in my nature. Mind you, it would be tricky to defend as ultimately I crashed... Competent drivers shouldn't crash.
An alternative to court proceedings is a twelve hour training course for the bargain price of £169.00 yada, yada, yada. Satisfactory completion of the course will avoid the need for court proceedings and you would only receive an official warning.
Now I'm a bit pissed, part of me wants to go to court and highlight the root of the problem, the shitty council's failure to sweep the roads any more (top tip, look at the amount of crap in the apex's near islands, they don't get swept any more)
However, the yang to this ying is that another part of me thinks it, it's only £169, I get some training and I don't get an ulcer. I was going to get some skid pan training off my own back as a result of this so maybe it's not all bad.
So, the questions.
Has anyone had any of this "training"? Is it any good or am I expected to simply say speed is bad, cameras are good, the british justice system is the fairest in the world.... If the training is ok then perhaps I'll just write this all off to experience and not bother fretting about it.
What is this "official warning"? If there is insufficient evidence to bring a charge why should I accept a warning? Under what legislation does that come? What are the future implications?
I kinda can't be arsed with all the aggro TBH but I want to ascertain all and any implications before I decide what to do.
in doo... As a result of an "incident" a few months back I have an "offer of training"
Now I am all of a quandry... So, according to the letter the police are "satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to support a prosecution against you in that your driving fell below the standard expected of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver".
So if your evidence is that good, charge me and
right off. I suspect the truth is that they think I'll roll over which is not in my nature. Mind you, it would be tricky to defend as ultimately I crashed... Competent drivers shouldn't crash. An alternative to court proceedings is a twelve hour training course for the bargain price of £169.00 yada, yada, yada. Satisfactory completion of the course will avoid the need for court proceedings and you would only receive an official warning.
Now I'm a bit pissed, part of me wants to go to court and highlight the root of the problem, the shitty council's failure to sweep the roads any more (top tip, look at the amount of crap in the apex's near islands, they don't get swept any more)
However, the yang to this ying is that another part of me thinks
it, it's only £169, I get some training and I don't get an ulcer. I was going to get some skid pan training off my own back as a result of this so maybe it's not all bad. So, the questions.
Has anyone had any of this "training"? Is it any good or am I expected to simply say speed is bad, cameras are good, the british justice system is the fairest in the world.... If the training is ok then perhaps I'll just write this all off to experience and not bother fretting about it.
What is this "official warning"? If there is insufficient evidence to bring a charge why should I accept a warning? Under what legislation does that come? What are the future implications?
I kinda can't be arsed with all the aggro TBH but I want to ascertain all and any implications before I decide what to do.
BliarOut said:
Well whoopee in doo...
As a result of an "incident" a few months back I have an "offer of training"
Now I am all of a quandry... So, according to the letter the police are "satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to support a prosecution against you in that your driving fell below the standard expected of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver".
So if your evidence is that good, charge me and right off. I suspect the truth is that they think I'll roll over which is not in my nature. Mind you, it would be tricky to defend as ultimately I crashed... Competent drivers shouldn't crash.
in doo... As a result of an "incident" a few months back I have an "offer of training"
Now I am all of a quandry... So, according to the letter the police are "satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to support a prosecution against you in that your driving fell below the standard expected of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver".
So if your evidence is that good, charge me and
right off. I suspect the truth is that they think I'll roll over which is not in my nature. Mind you, it would be tricky to defend as ultimately I crashed... Competent drivers shouldn't crash. Sound like a DIS course Liebchen. They teach you to COAST properly
IG tell me this ist so .. und that more or less standard unlike the Speed Course which vary in quality by all accounts we hear about. Bliar Out said:
An alternative to court proceedings is a twelve hour training course for the bargain price of £169.00 yada, yada, yada. Satisfactory completion of the course will avoid the need for court proceedings and you would only receive an official warning.
Now I'm a bit pissed, part of me wants to go to court and highlight the root of the problem, the shitty council's failure to sweep the roads any more (top tip, look at the amount of crap in the apex's near islands, they don't get swept any more)
You would have to prove beyond doubt that the failure to sweep road was at root of problem.. but COAST skill usually help you spot this und diffuse the danger
Though I told off council over nails on road the other week.. on the road which lead to M6..
Am pleased to say they must fear my claws 
.. was clean when I drove back Bliar Out said:
However, the yang to this ying is that another part of me thinks
it, it's only £169, I get some training and I don't get an ulcer. I was going to get some skid pan training off my own back as a result of this so maybe it's not all bad. So, the questions.
Has anyone had any of this "training"? Is it any good or am I expected to simply say speed is bad, cameras are good, the british justice system is the fairest in the world.... If the training is ok then perhaps I'll just write this all off to experience and not bother fretting about it.
As said .. ist a DIS. Emphasis should be on COAST - enhancing und refreshing all the principles under the umbrella. Dibble mention when I ask him once on the forum as he mention recommending DIS to someone he investigated after accident und I seem to recall "willcrash" being in "Autocar" about this aspect of his work at the time.
I think from what I hear .. ist a very positive course.
Bliar Out said:
What is this "official warning"? If there is insufficient evidence to bring a charge why should I accept a warning? Under what legislation does that come? What are the future implications?
I kinda can't be arsed with all the aggro TBH but I want to ascertain all and any implications before I decide what to do.
I think they just give you that acid lecture
We have heard IG's version of this He put on his stern face und firmest voice. I went on one in Febuary.
Was run by the council and driving instructors rather than the Police. The stuff they went through was good, and a lot more roadcraft than speed kills.
Also spent a bit of time four up in a clio, which was interesting, but I'm not sure as good as the ride drive course I have done. However, comentary driving was very useful.
I was also quite pleased to get 20/20 in the highway code test. :geek:
All in all I'd say it is the better option.
Was run by the council and driving instructors rather than the Police. The stuff they went through was good, and a lot more roadcraft than speed kills.
Also spent a bit of time four up in a clio, which was interesting, but I'm not sure as good as the ride drive course I have done. However, comentary driving was very useful.
I was also quite pleased to get 20/20 in the highway code test. :geek:
All in all I'd say it is the better option.
Cheers Gaz et al. Wasn't the Porker fortunately... Or perhaps unfortunately as PSM would have prevented it in the first place 
I've done the maths and I'm kinda wavering on going for the training as I had planned on some anyway.... But it just tugs at my rebellious streak and I don't like veiled threats
There's no harm in some training if it's sensible as it's twenty years since I did my advanced motorcycle stuff and despite going back to the scene and analysing what went wrong I'm disappointed I didn't avoid it.
Any more experiences or opinions are very welcome, especially on the "official warning".
Oh and Wildy, I almost understood every word of that
I've done the maths and I'm kinda wavering on going for the training as I had planned on some anyway.... But it just tugs at my rebellious streak and I don't like veiled threats
There's no harm in some training if it's sensible as it's twenty years since I did my advanced motorcycle stuff and despite going back to the scene and analysing what went wrong I'm disappointed I didn't avoid it.
Any more experiences or opinions are very welcome, especially on the "official warning".
Oh and Wildy, I almost understood every word of that
Do I look like a bloody cavy 
at...possiblyBliarOut said:
Well whoopee in doo...
As a result of an "incident" a few months back I have an "offer of training"
Now I am all of a quandry...
in doo... As a result of an "incident" a few months back I have an "offer of training"
Now I am all of a quandry...
So what did you actually do? Lost control on a round about? Or a collision with another car?
You sound like an experienced driver, so you must know what caused the incident. If it was loss of control on a slippery surface You already know what you did wrong, I would have learnt the lesson and be asking myself do I want to have these people telling me what I already know. Hope that makes sense. I've been for a few beers so maybe it doesn't.
What's the alternative to the offer of training? Do they have some kind of evidence against you that will prove dwdca? If you hit a fresh diesel spill that's not dwdca is it? The rebel streak in me would want to decline the offer too, but only you know what they have on you?
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