UnmarkedBlack 911 Carrera 4 on M4 near Reading!!
Discussion
vonhosen said:
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
The car isn't going to force you to do anything illegal. You should just stick to the highway code, which of course you should be fully aware of.
Just maintain lane discipline & let faster traffic pass.
Just maintain lane discipline & let faster traffic pass.
And when you are in the overtaking lane and the unmarked car comes up behind you and tailgates you, and in order to get out of the way of the unidentified idiot who is up your backside you accelerate rather than sit there being boxed in...?
And what should you do if you think you are being tailgated ?
Speeding up isn't the advice.
And exactly WHY IS THE POLICE OFFICER TAILGATING YOU, pray tell?
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
The car isn't going to force you to do anything illegal. You should just stick to the highway code, which of course you should be fully aware of.
Just maintain lane discipline & let faster traffic pass.
Just maintain lane discipline & let faster traffic pass.
And when you are in the overtaking lane and the unmarked car comes up behind you and tailgates you, and in order to get out of the way of the unidentified idiot who is up your backside you accelerate rather than sit there being boxed in...?
And what should you do if you think you are being tailgated ?
Speeding up isn't the advice.
And exactly WHY IS THE POLICE OFFICER TAILGATING YOU, pray tell?
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
vonhosen said:
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
The car isn't going to force you to do anything illegal. You should just stick to the highway code, which of course you should be fully aware of.
Just maintain lane discipline & let faster traffic pass.
Just maintain lane discipline & let faster traffic pass.
And when you are in the overtaking lane and the unmarked car comes up behind you and tailgates you, and in order to get out of the way of the unidentified idiot who is up your backside you accelerate rather than sit there being boxed in...?
And what should you do if you think you are being tailgated ?
Speeding up isn't the advice.
And slowing down could make the plonker drive even closer, really safe idea that. There are plenty of occasions on our busy motorways when pulling in is not a safe option, as any regular and competent driver knows.
I agree with the previous comments about entrapment.
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
What bit do you have issue with then ?
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
What bit do you have issue with then ?
This bit
"If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity."
Now that is exactly what I would if all other tactics that seemed vaguely pertinent at the time had failed, (Flashed brake lights, glare from rear fog lights if was a really bad case, maybe a couple of firm to very fiorm brake tests .... (that's a joke by the way)). But whether easing away looking for a suitably safe gap or running a quick sprint to take the tailgater by surprise (hopefully) and slipping into a gap where there is time to slow without the idiot re-attaching to your bumper before you get there or, worse, following you into it. Either way if the person at the back is an unmarked there is a chance of being done. Much more of a chance, I would suggest than, than of the unmarked driver thinking - What a smart and sensible person there must be driving that vehicle to be able to avoid the grief I am giving them in such a safe fashion.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen - who would know? I just think it is rather unlikely these days.
One of the nice things about a reasonably powerful car is that it offers more options for moving away from road conflict situations. Even so I recently found that you can buy much more time for the maneouvre if you pick your moment well and gently touch the brake pedal and hold it as you floor the throttle.
Anyway, smart arse observations over, that's the gist of why I have a problem the words quoted above from your earlier post. Have I misconstrued something?
LongQ said:
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
What bit do you have issue with then ?
This bit
"If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity."
Now that is exactly what I would if all other tactics that seemed vaguely pertinent at the time had failed, (Flashed brake lights, glare from rear fog lights if was a really bad case, maybe a couple of firm to very fiorm brake tests .... (that's a joke by the way)). But whether easing away looking for a suitably safe gap or running a quick sprint to take the tailgater by surprise (hopefully) and slipping into a gap where there is time to slow without the idiot re-attaching to your bumper before you get there or, worse, following you into it. Either way if the person at the back is an unmarked there is a chance of being done. Much more of a chance, I would suggest than, than of the unmarked driver thinking - What a smart and sensible person there must be driving that vehicle to be able to avoid the grief I am giving them in such a safe fashion.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen - who would know? I just think it is rather unlikely these days.
One of the nice things about a reasonably powerful car is that it offers more options for moving away from road conflict situations. Even so I recently found that you can buy much more time for the maneouvre if you pick your moment well and gently touch the brake pedal and hold it as you floor the throttle.
Anyway, smart arse observations over, that's the gist of why I have a problem the words quoted above from your earlier post. Have I misconstrued something?
So you'd knowingly commit offences, simply using the justification that you *believe* someone else is commiting an offence would make that OK ?
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 20:53
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
What bit do you have issue with then ?
1 "Who says they are tailgating"
Plod stopped me 25 years ago under the A41 north bound M1 AT 2am, we where 2 Securicor transits doing 70mph on a deserted motorway, he came out of Scratchwood services (to me it was a pair of bright headlights) and quickly kept pace with us, we where in lane 1, he was in lane 2 about 150 foot behind, me and my mate where both watching and wondering who he was(we didn't know it was a police car).
Eventually I'd had enough so I backed off the gas completly to let him come past, he then put his blue light on and stopped me.
Just my luck, the passenger was a senior officer (of some kind), I got the full works.
He must have lead a sheltered life because my driving was the worse bit of driving he had seen in a long time and if there had been an accident and someone had got killed he would make sure I was charged with manslaughter.
I didn't think it was tailgating but he did.
Securicor didn't think it was tailgating so we went for not guilty.
The barrister didn't think it was tailgating.
The Magistrate thought it was tailgating.
But the officer said we overtook 2 cars whilst too close, we did'nt, but hey why spoil a good story by telling the truth.
"If you think you are being tailgated try to extend the braking distance gradually and let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity"
Sounds very easy when you say it like that, but if it's a knob head who is obviously already driving dangerously, all you are likely to do is wind him up even more thus making a dangerous situation more dangerous. If it's plod acting like a knob head so that you don't think it's the BiB, then he is either on a shout, and really wants you out the way, or he is trying a bit of entrapment.
What do you think the average driver might do to get rid of a tailgater, dab his brake lights, dab them a bit harder, take a hand off the wheel to gesticulate (back off), all of which could get you booked by a copper on a mission.
That is why I though your comments where rubbish.
slowly slowly said:
What do you think the average driver might do to get rid of a tailgater, dab his brake lights, dab them a bit harder, take a hand off the wheel to gesticulate (back off), all of which could get you booked by a copper on a mission.
And rightly so IMHO.
Brake testers are more dangerous than tailgaters.
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
What do you think the average driver might do to get rid of a tailgater, dab his brake lights, dab them a bit harder, take a hand off the wheel to gesticulate (back off), all of which could get you booked by a copper on a mission.
And rightly so IMHO.
Brake testers are more dangerous than tailgaters.
Have you had a bad day, this is not your usual style.
How many times have you read on here that "this idiot was about 3 foot off my back bumper" when the truth was probably more like 25 feet,I've been brake tested fully loaded, I know it's dangerous, someone mentioned entrapment and you came out with the old line "no one forced you to do it" (or something like that).
Now you are virtually saying "if a plod does it it might not be tailgating"
Not up to your usual high standards.
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
What do you think the average driver might do to get rid of a tailgater, dab his brake lights, dab them a bit harder, take a hand off the wheel to gesticulate (back off), all of which could get you booked by a copper on a mission.
And rightly so IMHO.
Brake testers are more dangerous than tailgaters.
Have you had a bad day, this is not your usual style.
How many times have you read on here that "this idiot was about 3 foot off my back bumper" when the truth was probably more like 25 feet,I've been brake tested fully loaded, I know it's dangerous, someone mentioned entrapment and you came out with the old line "no one forced you to do it" (or something like that).
Now you are virtually saying "if a plod does it it might not be tailgating"
Not up to your usual high standards.
Point of physics here:
70mph is equivalent to 102.67 feet per second.
2 second gap is therefore a separation of roughly 205 feet.
So just how close do you think you have to be for it to count as tailgating?
ok, so back on track..... looks like somone else saw the same unmarked 911......
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slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
What do you think the average driver might do to get rid of a tailgater, dab his brake lights, dab them a bit harder, take a hand off the wheel to gesticulate (back off), all of which could get you booked by a copper on a mission.
And rightly so IMHO.
Brake testers are more dangerous than tailgaters.
Have you had a bad day, this is not your usual style.
How many times have you read on here that "this idiot was about 3 foot off my back bumper" when the truth was probably more like 25 feet,I've been brake tested fully loaded, I know it's dangerous, someone mentioned entrapment and you came out with the old line "no one forced you to do it" (or something like that).
Now you are virtually saying "if a plod does it it might not be tailgating"
Not up to your usual high standards.
I'm not just talking plod, I'm applying the same principles for anyone.
There are times that it is desireable to be closer than the two second rule & that would apply for anyone in those circumstances not just plod. There are times that being that close would be inappropriate & that goes for plod as well as anyone else.
Tailgating is not as simple as being within the two second rule, the circumstances behind the positioning matter.
People will naturally (because of their individual experience etc) have different ideas about what is & isn't appropriate. Just as two people can also view the same event & come to different conclusions.
My position with dealing with tailgaters (if that's what you perceive them rightly or wrongly to be) remains consistent. Don't dab your brakes infront of them , don't put your fog lights on, don't give hand gestures that could be inflammatory. Instead try to increase your available braking distance subtly & let them pass at the first safe opportunity.
Do not commit offences yourself.
andmole said:
Point of physics here:
70mph is equivalent to 102.67 feet per second.
2 second gap is therefore a separation of roughly 205 feet.
So just how close do you think you have to be for it to count as tailgating?
If you are too close(god knows) it would be DD, if it's close but not that close they will just have you for DWDC.
vonhosen said:
LongQ said:
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
What bit do you have issue with then ?
This bit
"If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity."
Now that is exactly what I would if all other tactics that seemed vaguely pertinent at the time had failed, (Flashed brake lights, glare from rear fog lights if was a really bad case, maybe a couple of firm to very fiorm brake tests .... (that's a joke by the way)). But whether easing away looking for a suitably safe gap or running a quick sprint to take the tailgater by surprise (hopefully) and slipping into a gap where there is time to slow without the idiot re-attaching to your bumper before you get there or, worse, following you into it. Either way if the person at the back is an unmarked there is a chance of being done. Much more of a chance, I would suggest than, than of the unmarked driver thinking - What a smart and sensible person there must be driving that vehicle to be able to avoid the grief I am giving them in such a safe fashion.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen - who would know? I just think it is rather unlikely these days.
One of the nice things about a reasonably powerful car is that it offers more options for moving away from road conflict situations. Even so I recently found that you can buy much more time for the maneouvre if you pick your moment well and gently touch the brake pedal and hold it as you floor the throttle.
Anyway, smart arse observations over, that's the gist of why I have a problem the words quoted above from your earlier post. Have I misconstrued something?
So you'd knowingly commit offences, simply using the justification that you *believe* someone else is commiting an offence would make that OK ?
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 20:53
What?
Exactly where do you get that from?
If attempting to manage my road space (As per guidance in Roadcraft for example) and reduce or hopefully eliminate the possibility of some idiot, civilian or otherwise, attempting to bully me out of the way when I am travelling at or near the limit and there is nowhere to go that would get me safely out of his way without inconveniencing someone else and impinging on their roadspace, just what do you expect me to do? That was the point of my previous post.
Perhaps what I should do is get a rear facing video camera and record any prat who is too blind to read the traffic, too stupid to care or whatever other reason they might give. But what to do with the results if such attitudes are condoned by those who would lecture us?
Are you having a really bad day for some reason? If so PH is really not the place for you to be if you are distracted.
LongQ said:
vonhosen said:
LongQ said:
vonhosen said:
slowly slowly said:
vonhosen said:
Who says they are ?
Someone may say they are being tailgated, others may say they are not tailgating.
Tailgating is not as simple a thing as being closer than the two second rule. There are times that it is OK to be closer than that & times where it is not. Circumstances matter & opinions will differ over what constitutes tailgating or not.
If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 18:43
IMO you don't normally talk rubbish but I think you have excelled yourself here.
Is somebody else using your handle? (like one of your kids)
What bit do you have issue with then ?
This bit
"If you *think* (which is waht I said in my post) you are being tailgated by a vehicle, the advice is not to try & outrun it, but to extend they braking distance available to you gradually & let the vehicle pass at the first safe opportunity."
Now that is exactly what I would if all other tactics that seemed vaguely pertinent at the time had failed, (Flashed brake lights, glare from rear fog lights if was a really bad case, maybe a couple of firm to very fiorm brake tests .... (that's a joke by the way)). But whether easing away looking for a suitably safe gap or running a quick sprint to take the tailgater by surprise (hopefully) and slipping into a gap where there is time to slow without the idiot re-attaching to your bumper before you get there or, worse, following you into it. Either way if the person at the back is an unmarked there is a chance of being done. Much more of a chance, I would suggest than, than of the unmarked driver thinking - What a smart and sensible person there must be driving that vehicle to be able to avoid the grief I am giving them in such a safe fashion.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen - who would know? I just think it is rather unlikely these days.
One of the nice things about a reasonably powerful car is that it offers more options for moving away from road conflict situations. Even so I recently found that you can buy much more time for the maneouvre if you pick your moment well and gently touch the brake pedal and hold it as you floor the throttle.
Anyway, smart arse observations over, that's the gist of why I have a problem the words quoted above from your earlier post. Have I misconstrued something?
So you'd knowingly commit offences, simply using the justification that you *believe* someone else is commiting an offence would make that OK ?
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 20:53
What?
Exactly where do you get that from?
If attempting to manage my road space (As per guidance in Roadcraft for example) and reduce or hopefully eliminate the possibility of some idiot, civilian or otherwise, attempting to bully me out of the way when I am travelling at or near the limit and there is nowhere to go that would get me safely out of his way without inconveniencing someone else and impinging on their roadspace, just what do you expect me to do? That was the point of my previous post.
Perhaps what I should do is get a rear facing video camera and record any prat who is too blind to read the traffic, too stupid to care or whatever other reason they might give. But what to do with the results if such attitudes are condoned by those who would lecture us?
Are you having a really bad day for some reason? If so PH is really not the place for you to be if you are distracted.
You did say using rear fogs glare didn't you ?
You did say speeding up to get away where you were traveling at/near the limit didn't you ?
Just increase your braking distance subtly & move out of the way at the first safe opportunity. Don't be commiting offences because you don't have to, there are safe legal options.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 9th November 22:16
vonhosen said:
I'm not just talking plod, I'm applying the same principles for anyone.
There are times that it is desireable to be closer than the two second rule & that would apply for anyone in those circumstances not just plod. There are times that being that close would be inappropriate & that goes for plod as well as anyone else.
There are times that it is desireable to be closer than the two second rule & that would apply for anyone in those circumstances not just plod. There are times that being that close would be inappropriate & that goes for plod as well as anyone else.
So what about the safety slogan "only a fool breaks the 2 second rule"?
Sounds about as sensible as "speed kills"
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