UnmarkedBlack 911 Carrera 4 on M4 near Reading!!
Discussion
Joe911 said:
vonhosen said:
Not what we deserve individually, what we deserve as a collective.
So we're back on everything designed for the lowest common denominator then!
Should we allow our brightest children to shine, or just give them what the collective average can manage?
I'd personally like to see *everyone* reach their full potential, rather than favouring just the brightest.
vonhosen said:
I'd personally like to see *everyone* reach their full potential, rather than favouring just the brightest.
Absolutely so. I didn't say that anyone else should be held back so that the gifted can achieve - but I want an environment that allows them to achieve too - dumbing down and over-regulation surely can't be the solution.
slowly slowly said:
francisb said:
vonhosen said:
We get the government we deserve.
simply not true. i voted in an absolute no hope seat for the opposition, my vote is completely worthless, i am unrepresented.
You are really because you are one of about 3.8 million (or what ever the number is) that voted for that party and if they got 24 seats that represents 7% of the population(or what ever).
no im not. george galloway doesnt represent me in any way and voting for a party that only got 7% of the vote in my ward i can't expect my vote to count in 100 years.
furthermore in england the 8.1m people who voted tory got 194 seats and the 8.0m who voted Nu Labour got 286 seats.
go4it2 said:
Hi all
Well in reply to the original posting and several questions regarding the Carrera. I have made a couple of calls to Roads Policing who cover the M4.....they do NOT have that vehicle and to the best of my knowledge TVP do not own such a vehicle.
Can I suggest who ever saw this car pulling people over they call it in on 08458 505 505 for information and further enq's.
Cheers....carry on all
Just my £0.02 worth....
I have seen the unmarked 911 on the M4. Dark blue or black, can't be sure. Also, I think it was a 997. The day I saw it was about 3 months ago, yes, near Reading. Close behind was a Range Rover, again, dark in colour and unmarked.
Both had mag base single blue lights, over the drivers heads and slightly on the p1ss. Both were travelling at a hell of a rate with the blues on.
I couldn't say if the vehicles were plod or not. I would have thought that if they were and being used in the conventional unmarked way, the blue lights would have been permanantly fitted somewhere on the vehicle. Not sure where that would be on the 911 though.
Surely it's possible that these vehicles are something other than regular, unmarked plod. Royal protection, diplomatic protection, Chief Constables own ride etc etc.
Who knows...
I didn't bother reading all 10 pages, so if I am repeating someone elses offerings, opologies.
All of the 'legal' type comments on here are predisposed to assume that 'breaking the law' is 'wrong'. It is only breaking the law, some do, some don't, those that are caught face the consequences, those that aren't don't.
80 on a motorway? Yes, breaking the law, Tut-tut. Never mind. 'Till your caught, then it's 'bloody speed cameras, at least real BiB have discretion moan moan' then back to 80 'cos it's a clear road and fine weather and little traffic and, feck me, what's that yellow bo...'flash'.....'bugger.....'moan'....'moan'......80.....flash.....feck etc etc - repeat until you lose licence or can pursuade a change in law or its enforcement.
Easy.
(Feeling cranky tonight.....no.....not cranky as in The Crankies either.....)
80 on a motorway? Yes, breaking the law, Tut-tut. Never mind. 'Till your caught, then it's 'bloody speed cameras, at least real BiB have discretion moan moan' then back to 80 'cos it's a clear road and fine weather and little traffic and, feck me, what's that yellow bo...'flash'.....'bugger.....'moan'....'moan'......80.....flash.....feck etc etc - repeat until you lose licence or can pursuade a change in law or its enforcement.
Easy.
(Feeling cranky tonight.....no.....not cranky as in The Crankies either.....)
Von - sorry mate but in absolute terms you are right but the reality of what happens is in many cases bullshit.
It kind of highjacks the M4 issue but when you get great works of fiction like the Hutton report and so on you can understand why the public loose faith and actually regardless of who or if I vote half the people with very large political influence are unelected. Could for instance anyone vote for Alistair Campbell?
Re: the police - dude I have a regular dice with a guy in an unmarked car who lives in Whittlebury (Northants) its actually good natured sport from my side (not sure he sees it that way) but given he is happy to steam down the A5 at 140mph + in a perverse sense I think any court case would be funny.
Personally I wouldn't want to do the job the Police do - but obviously those that do it must enjoy something in the job - however it really isn't too difficult to see why society is cynical.
It kind of highjacks the M4 issue but when you get great works of fiction like the Hutton report and so on you can understand why the public loose faith and actually regardless of who or if I vote half the people with very large political influence are unelected. Could for instance anyone vote for Alistair Campbell?
Re: the police - dude I have a regular dice with a guy in an unmarked car who lives in Whittlebury (Northants) its actually good natured sport from my side (not sure he sees it that way) but given he is happy to steam down the A5 at 140mph + in a perverse sense I think any court case would be funny.
Personally I wouldn't want to do the job the Police do - but obviously those that do it must enjoy something in the job - however it really isn't too difficult to see why society is cynical.
p490kvp said:
Von - sorry mate but in absolute terms you are right but the reality of what happens is in many cases bullshit.
It kind of highjacks the M4 issue but when you get great works of fiction like the Hutton report and so on you can understand why the public loose faith and actually regardless of who or if I vote half the people with very large political influence are unelected. Could for instance anyone vote for Alistair Campbell?
Re: the police - dude I have a regular dice with a guy in an unmarked car who lives in Whittlebury (Northants) its actually good natured sport from my side (not sure he sees it that way) but given he is happy to steam down the A5 at 140mph + in a perverse sense I think any court case would be funny.
Personally I wouldn't want to do the job the Police do - but obviously those that do it must enjoy something in the job - however it really isn't too difficult to see why society is cynical.
It kind of highjacks the M4 issue but when you get great works of fiction like the Hutton report and so on you can understand why the public loose faith and actually regardless of who or if I vote half the people with very large political influence are unelected. Could for instance anyone vote for Alistair Campbell?
Re: the police - dude I have a regular dice with a guy in an unmarked car who lives in Whittlebury (Northants) its actually good natured sport from my side (not sure he sees it that way) but given he is happy to steam down the A5 at 140mph + in a perverse sense I think any court case would be funny.
Personally I wouldn't want to do the job the Police do - but obviously those that do it must enjoy something in the job - however it really isn't too difficult to see why society is cynical.
Well said
, just you try getting him to admit you're right!vonhosen said:
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
Speed limits are preventative legislation & are not unique in that.
Those who may carry a gun don't necessarily intend to harm anyone with it, but they can't carry one.
Those who may carry a knife don't necessarily intend to harm anyone with it, but they can't carry one.
Those who don't wish to wear a seatbelt don't necessarily wish to harm anyone, but they have to wear one.
Those who may carry a gun don't necessarily intend to harm anyone with it, but they can't carry one.
Those who may carry a knife don't necessarily intend to harm anyone with it, but they can't carry one.
Those who don't wish to wear a seatbelt don't necessarily wish to harm anyone, but they have to wear one.
I did not say that they were "unique", but that they were different "from almost all other laws".
Even the examples that you offer, however, are not analogous.
The purpose of carrying a handgun is to threaten or actually to harm another person. It has no other common function. (Yes, one person in ten thousand may be a target shooter, but his needs can be easily dealt with in other ways.)
The same for a large knife, switchblade, etc. If we're talking about a folding penknife, there's no reason why someone with no criminal record shouldn't be allowed to carry one. A penknife is a legitimate tool.
As for a seatbelt, there is no reason at all why a competent adult should be forced to wear a seatbelt under any circumstances. An adult is responsible for him- or herself. If he wants to live more riskily at no additional risk to anyone else, WHAT THE F..K has the bloody Government got to do with it?
I ride a pushbike. That's more dangerous than taking the bus and it always will be. Should the gov't be in the business of telling me that I may not ride a bike?
Seatbelts for children are different. The concept there is that they are not competent to make the choice for themselves, so society as a whole makes it for them with the more conservative option.
I fail to see how the Gov't's imposition of seatbelt rules for children, virtually all of whom are not competent to act for themselves, is analogous to the gov't's imposition of speed limits for adults, virtually all of whom are competent to act for themselves.
I disagree.
The decision to not wear a seatbelt etc does impact on others & quite literally too. If someone isn't wearing one their colliding with another person can result in injuries that wouldn't otherwise have been sustained by that person. The human skull can do a lot of damage to others. There is also the matter of others who have to deal with that unnecessary trauma to be considered.
Fair enough, von.
I disagree with your reply.
First is the matter of the damage that a human skull can do to a bystander.
That bystander (fellow passenger) can be either an adult or a child. Not really a third possibility.
If the fellow passenger is another adult, here again it is indisputably the adult bystander's choice as to whether to ride in the vehicle with another adult who is not wearing a seatbelt.
If you don't like riding with another adult who's not wearing a seatbelt, you are free either to, a), persuade that person to do you a favour by buckling up, or, b) decline altogether to ride with the unbelted passenger.
If the passenger is a child, are not children younger than a certain age disallowed from riding in the front seat? That would eliminate probably 80% of passenger children from being at risk of a flying skull.
For the other 20%, or whatever, isn't the driver responsible for the safety of his passengers? If so, it's down to that driver to set the rules for his car.
If there really is a material risk from skulls flying about and injuring children who are not in a position to protect or speak up for themselves, then as a last resort I'd accept that children (and the mentally incompetent) be protected by requiring that every rider in a car who is sitting either beside or behind a child wear a seatbelt.
This would be strictly on the basis that broad society is protecting people who are not competent to make protective judgments for themselves.
That would leave probably >95% of all situations as having no need for or legitimacy in requiring adults to wear seat belts.
Second is the matter of "others who have to deal with that unnecessary trauma".
I presume that you are referring to the emergency services.
At the same time I have great respect and admiration for what they do and the benefits that they bring, but I have no more sympathy for their exposure to "unnecessary trauma" than I do for anyone else who chooses a line of work that includes exposure to deeply unpleasant parts of life.
If you choose to get involved with something that can be repulsively gory, don't be surprised when the worst has happened and you're looking at it.
I myself would never drive any distance without wearing a belt or harness, but that doesn't mean that the State should force belts upon persons of sound mind who choose otherwise.
Just to jump back to the original topic for a moment (as fascinating as this sparring and post-deconstruction has been 
), this was mentioned on the TV board and as I said there, there's a massive Porsche building on J12. Bit of a coincidence I think - my money's on a naughty HS stop to swap test drivers.
), this was mentioned on the TV board and as I said there, there's a massive Porsche building on J12. Bit of a coincidence I think - my money's on a naughty HS stop to swap test drivers.thanks for wasted years and the guy before him anaswering the original question, even though flemke has a mclaren f1 i am just interested in this supposedly unmarked 997 c4 police car
i was on the m40 just now and was watching out for a c4 ! glad now that if i see it i can relax
cheers
i was on the m40 just now and was watching out for a c4 ! glad now that if i see it i can relax
cheers
Edited by k321 on Thursday 16th November 02:39
coincidence? hehe
wasted years said:
Haven't read all 10 pages. Porkers are not ACPO/Home Office approved Police cars and as such if it has blue lights then it is not Police. I known there is the Porker dealership at Calcot on junct 12. Hope this helps.
You sure about this? Saw it close up in Slough on the Farnham Road and it's a black 996 C4S on an 0* plate - Mag light, flashing headlights, sirens and a blue light on the windscreen. Not normal Police uniform though? Guy driving it looked BiB enough for me!Ooooh
Vanhosen arguing the monkeys!
As for police tailgating/goading drivers on in the hope of them speeding off into the distance.
Yes, it's happened to me - more than once. Sussex Trafpol used to use this tactic - it worked on me once, shamefully enough whilst I was on a motorbike. Then it occurred a couple of more times in the Calibra Turbo.
IIRC, they stopped doing this a number of years back following an incident when one of the local nutters in Horsham treated them to a full bore brake test with his Grp N RS500. Unsurprisingly, overweight Cavalier Turbo went clean up the back of him and he got a tasty payout.
His side of the story, and what infrequently happened to me and others I know/grew up with, was they roared up behind and proceeded to weave/dance around behind in such a way that you'd think 'f-off' and drop the hammer.
Vanhosen arguing the monkeys!
As for police tailgating/goading drivers on in the hope of them speeding off into the distance.
Yes, it's happened to me - more than once. Sussex Trafpol used to use this tactic - it worked on me once, shamefully enough whilst I was on a motorbike. Then it occurred a couple of more times in the Calibra Turbo.
IIRC, they stopped doing this a number of years back following an incident when one of the local nutters in Horsham treated them to a full bore brake test with his Grp N RS500. Unsurprisingly, overweight Cavalier Turbo went clean up the back of him and he got a tasty payout.
His side of the story, and what infrequently happened to me and others I know/grew up with, was they roared up behind and proceeded to weave/dance around behind in such a way that you'd think 'f-off' and drop the hammer.
Dunk76 said:
Ooooh
Vanhosen arguing the monkeys!
As for police tailgating/goading drivers on in the hope of them speeding off into the distance.
Yes, it's happened to me - more than once. Sussex Trafpol used to use this tactic - it worked on me once, shamefully enough whilst I was on a motorbike. Then it occurred a couple of more times in the Calibra Turbo.
IIRC, they stopped doing this a number of years back following an incident when one of the local nutters in Horsham treated them to a full bore brake test with his Grp N RS500. Unsurprisingly, overweight Cavalier Turbo went clean up the back of him and he got a tasty payout.
His side of the story, and what infrequently happened to me and others I know/grew up with, was they roared up behind and proceeded to weave/dance around behind in such a way that you'd think 'f-off' and drop the hammer.
Tw8ts!Hope he got a good payout!Vanhosen arguing the monkeys!
As for police tailgating/goading drivers on in the hope of them speeding off into the distance.
Yes, it's happened to me - more than once. Sussex Trafpol used to use this tactic - it worked on me once, shamefully enough whilst I was on a motorbike. Then it occurred a couple of more times in the Calibra Turbo.
IIRC, they stopped doing this a number of years back following an incident when one of the local nutters in Horsham treated them to a full bore brake test with his Grp N RS500. Unsurprisingly, overweight Cavalier Turbo went clean up the back of him and he got a tasty payout.
His side of the story, and what infrequently happened to me and others I know/grew up with, was they roared up behind and proceeded to weave/dance around behind in such a way that you'd think 'f-off' and drop the hammer.
vonhosen said:
Not what we deserve individually, what we deserve as a collective.
I'm a month late on this one, vh, but if you'll forgive me:
You say that "we", as a "collective", get the government that we deserve. I believe that you have asserted this on PH before too.
Suppose that there is a society - a collective - with four inhabitants.
Two of them work hard all their lives, saving for their future children and for their retirement. Through their efforts and sacrifices, they have amassed enough to be comfortable.
The other two have spent their lives sitting on their backsides and cruising.
Would you say that the amount that the four all together have amassed should be evenly split amongst all of them, because the sum is what they earned "as a collective"?
Do the hard workers deserve to have the fruits of their labour halved?
Do the lazy louts deserve to be subsidised?
Just by averaging something, you don't necessarily end up with a just outcome for anyone.
Dunk76 said:
Ooooh
Vanhosen arguing the monkeys!
As for police tailgating/goading drivers on in the hope of them speeding off into the distance.
Yes, it's happened to me - more than once. Sussex Trafpol used to use this tactic - it worked on me once, shamefully enough whilst I was on a motorbike. Then it occurred a couple of more times in the Calibra Turbo.
IIRC, they stopped doing this a number of years back following an incident when one of the local nutters in Horsham treated them to a full bore brake test with his Grp N RS500. Unsurprisingly, overweight Cavalier Turbo went clean up the back of him and he got a tasty payout.
His side of the story, and what infrequently happened to me and others I know/grew up with, was they roared up behind and proceeded to weave/dance around behind in such a way that you'd think 'f-off' and drop the hammer.
Vanhosen arguing the monkeys!
As for police tailgating/goading drivers on in the hope of them speeding off into the distance.
Yes, it's happened to me - more than once. Sussex Trafpol used to use this tactic - it worked on me once, shamefully enough whilst I was on a motorbike. Then it occurred a couple of more times in the Calibra Turbo.
IIRC, they stopped doing this a number of years back following an incident when one of the local nutters in Horsham treated them to a full bore brake test with his Grp N RS500. Unsurprisingly, overweight Cavalier Turbo went clean up the back of him and he got a tasty payout.
His side of the story, and what infrequently happened to me and others I know/grew up with, was they roared up behind and proceeded to weave/dance around behind in such a way that you'd think 'f-off' and drop the hammer.
Haven't read all the pages so forgive me if it's been mentioned - bit about police drivers being told not to get too close - old trick by car thieves - plod getting better of them - reel police car in , let it get too close -then wham emergency stop - police car radiator get a nasty - and a mile or so it's off the road, and the damaged stolen car gets off. (bit before the helicopter days ) ---amazing what you learn in certain company.
Edited by who me ? on Saturday 16th December 17:24
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