Tesco's ANPR, again!

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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Don't go to Tescos then

Read first, then post.

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Nah

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Chrispy Porker said:

They are a private company who live or die on whether people buy their products.
Vote with your wallet.
I would have thought that was fairly easy to grasp.

I could apply this rule with bib but I choose not to Things aren't quite that black or white and tesco are clearly over stepping the mark. Most punters don't know what's happening and are only focused on low prices. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

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sheets tabuer said:

Is the letter off tesco, most of the large supermarkets are rented on a park and the car park is nothing to do with tesco.

Mrs is a senior manager so I will ask her

That's the strange thing. The letter has a photocopy of a tesco letterhead with their registered office address on the footer. it's automated and was sent from a Tesco Dundee address. Tesco's bought the land, this is a two storey store with a ground level car park. It's pretty huge and not on a retail park.

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[odyssey2200]

Sorry, slightly confused.

Tesco think they have the right to fine you for staying in their car park?
Time to shop a sainsburys.

Just how does a supermarket have the right to issue fines?
I thought that only a court could fine you under the bill of rights act, once you have been found guilty in court.

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odyssey2200 said:

Sorry, slightly confused.

Tesco think they have the right to fine you for staying in their car park?
Time to shop a sainsburys.

Just how does a supermarket have the right to issue fines?
I thought that only a court could fine you under the bill of rights act, once you have been found guilty in court.

Ah, but this is one of those fixed penalty's co cleverly not a fine, just an invitation to cough up. They're all at it these days. Bill of rights was ignored years ago by side stepping the mark.

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[odyssey2200]

So, If when they write to you and invite you to pay up, you write back inviting they to go F themselves, what jurisdiction or powers do they have?

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odyssey2200 said:

So, If when they write to you and invite you to pay up, you write back inviting they to go F themselves, what jurisdiction or powers do they have?

Nope, I'm going to ask them what evidence they have and see what they say. I'll see if they wish to disclose the whole day's video assuming the data is a video recording. That'll cause them some data protection issues. First, I'll do some more visits to the car park to test their system and call their bluff. As for enforcement, they are pretty powerless if they can't identify the driver.

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[odyssey2200]

even if they can ID the driver, what powers do they have to force you to cought up?

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I expect they'll refer to their parking terms and conditions and then persue through the county court, assuming you read the terms first.

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[streaky]

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I expect they'll refer to their parking terms and conditions and then persue through the county court, assuming you read the terms first.

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Which brings us back to the discussion (in a related post some weeks ago) on the obvious display of Ts & Cs (the contract terms) ... which they're not doing - Streaky

[streaky]

To whom it may concern
[Add their title and address, Miss Jones}

I am in receipt of your letter dated [insert the date Miss Jones] alleging that a vehicle registered to me overstayed an arbitrary duration in a vehicle park attached to one of your stores.

As I am sure you will be aware, it is the driver of the vehicle with whom any contract to park was made, not the Registered Keeper. You will also be aware that the terms of any such contract must be set out in such a manner as to be obvious to anyone with whom you wished to make the contract. These terms must comply with all applicable contract law, such as the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.

Should you wish to pursue this claim, please supply evidence that the person parking the vehicle you allege to have overstayed the set duration would have had the opportunity to read the contract terms. Such evidence must be, as a minimum:

• a detailed route and timings of the vehicle's travel into and through the vehicle park;
• a detailed route of the driver's passage out of the vehicle and into the store - this and the evidence listed immediately above are to show that the driver had reasonable opportunity to see and read the contract terms;
• photographs of all relevant signage in situ in locus in quo at the time of the alleged overstaying so as to show that the signs were actually readable;
• an accurately-drawn, scaled, map showing the location of each sign and indicating which you believe the driver would have had the easy opportunity to read (the routes of the vehicle and driver should be superimposed upon the map);
• details of the weather conditions at the time, in particular the visibility (all to be confirmed by the Meteorological Office);
• sufficient details of the driver with whom you claim to have made a contract to enable their unique identification;
• a detailed description of the processes followed to record and analyse the evidence of the alleged overstaying; and
• a notarised statement from a senior manager at the store to the effect that your recording and analytical systems were working normally at the time of the alleged overstaying.

Without the above, I cannot entertain your claim and any further demands for payment will be considered harassment and will be reported to the police with a view to your criminal prosecution under s1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998, s85 of the Postal Services Act 2000, s127 of the Communications Act 2003, and/or s2 of the Protection from Harrassment Act 1997 - this last with a view to the court issuing a Restraining Order against you. Additionally, civil action will be taken against you personally and your employer to cease and desist and for the recovery of all costs, together with a substantial payment in compensation for the mental pain and suffering caused.

I expect your reply by return, either providing the evidence requested above or indicating simply your termination of this correspondence.

[Just PP it Miss Jones ... and are we still on for some nookie tonight?]

Streaky

With apologies to any feminists or others offended by the last remark - S

Edited to remove repetition - S

Edited by streaky on Saturday 23 June 12:49

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That is just excellent Streaky. I'd love to see the recipients face when he reads that lot.

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[Chrispy Porker]

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Chrispy Porker said:

They are a private company who live or die on whether people buy their products.
Vote with your wallet.
I would have thought that was fairly easy to grasp.

I could apply this rule with bib but I choose not to Things aren't quite that black or white and tesco are clearly over stepping the mark. Most punters don't know what's happening and are only focused on low prices. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

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How?
It is that black and white. Don't like Tesco, go somewhere else.Sorted.Their loss.

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Chrispy Porker said:

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Chrispy Porker said:

They are a private company who live or die on whether people buy their products.
Vote with your wallet.
I would have thought that was fairly easy to grasp.

I could apply this rule with bib but I choose not to Things aren't quite that black or white and tesco are clearly over stepping the mark. Most punters don't know what's happening and are only focused on low prices. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

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How?
It is that black and white. Don't like Tesco, go somewhere else.Sorted.Their loss.

When a store that big comes to town they clean up and the little shops dissapear. Then you get a tesco express in all the surrounding areas. Choice becomes limited. Meanwhile they do anything they can to collect data and target marketing at you. Local money no longer goes into the local economy, it goes to Tesco's head office etc. Soon the only stores left in the UK will be Tesco and Walmart. As for the PR machine, it keeps on churning out spin whilst keeping people in the dark. Fortunately for us we already spend at Sainsbury's so they can have our money along with Asda but I doubt Tesco will notice we've moved because they've got droves of punters happy to plunge into the abyss

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[staceyb]

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That is just excellent Streaky. I'd love to see the recipients face when he reads that lot.

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Am saving that, its great. Cheers Streaky.

[Puggit]

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Chrispy Porker said:

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Chrispy Porker said:

They are a private company who live or die on whether people buy their products.
Vote with your wallet.
I would have thought that was fairly easy to grasp.

I could apply this rule with bib but I choose not to Things aren't quite that black or white and tesco are clearly over stepping the mark. Most punters don't know what's happening and are only focused on low prices. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

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How?
It is that black and white. Don't like Tesco, go somewhere else.Sorted.Their loss.

When a store that big comes to town they clean up and the little shops dissapear. Then you get a tesco express in all the surrounding areas. Choice becomes limited. Meanwhile they do anything they can to collect data and target marketing at you. Local money no longer goes into the local economy, it goes to Tesco's head office etc. Soon the only stores left in the UK will be Tesco and Walmart. As for the PR machine, it keeps on churning out spin whilst keeping people in the dark. Fortunately for us we already spend at Sainsbury's so they can have our money along with Asda but I doubt Tesco will notice we've moved because they've got droves of punters happy to plunge into the abyss

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On a different tack, Tesco in Reading recently received a visit from the food safety inspectors. They received a mind-numbing 0/5 for both the store and the cafe.

This made the local headlines, and they have lost a lot of customers - we used to be 50/50 between Tesco and Waitrose, but now are entirely Waitrose. Interestingly Waitrose employ car park agents and Tesco don't

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Tersco's here have usually got pigeons in the warehouse, it's just that not a lot of people know that. A short while ago they had a robin trapped in the store for several days. I suspect it was shot because they couldn't catch it.

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[streaky]

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Tersco's here have usually got pigeons in the warehouse, ...

Good when grilled (just pink inside) and served with red-currant jelly (aisle 17, I think) - Streaky

PS - less meat on a robin than on a quail ... and the eggs are smaller too - S

[Balmoral Green]

No tits?

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Balmoral Green said:

No tits?

Only in the cold storage area but they're perky enough

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