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Loros, Sorry I didn't get back had a phone call and had to rush off. but to
I'm not sure the driver will be living his life as though "nothing happened" I know I would feel awful if I killed someone and it would stick with me forever.
Also your comment actually backs up my view that putting this man in prison serves no purpose as your brother and wife are still grieving can testify... it doesn't help.
Finally I feel sorry for your brother and wife and have said this all along for any tragedy victims. The threat of violence at the end of your comment seems to be very odd. Was it a genuine threat or a joke? Either seems odd, as I no way mean to offend and it is how I have got over my grief of relatives and friends that have died. We grieve, we cry, and then we have to live on.
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My nephew was killed by a drunk driver.The to$$pot may as well have killed my brother and his wife 'cos their lives ended there and then.He was out after 3 years and is back living his life as though nothing happened.Try saying "these things happen" to my brother and I promise you you'll be waking up with a crowd round you!
I'm not sure the driver will be living his life as though "nothing happened" I know I would feel awful if I killed someone and it would stick with me forever.
Also your comment actually backs up my view that putting this man in prison serves no purpose as your brother and wife are still grieving can testify... it doesn't help.
Finally I feel sorry for your brother and wife and have said this all along for any tragedy victims. The threat of violence at the end of your comment seems to be very odd. Was it a genuine threat or a joke? Either seems odd, as I no way mean to offend and it is how I have got over my grief of relatives and friends that have died. We grieve, we cry, and then we have to live on.
What I meant by that was that my brother is still very,very angry and for anyone to suggest that "it was just one of those things" to him,would I think find themselves on the wrong end of 6 foot 6 and 18 stones.It was in no way meant as a threat to you,sorry if you got that impression.
The sentence my nephew's killer got didn't seem much punishment for taking a young lad's life.He would have got more by fiddling his tax return!
Edited by lorus on Saturday 15th December 15:53
The sentence my nephew's killer got didn't seem much punishment for taking a young lad's life.He would have got more by fiddling his tax return!
Edited by lorus on Saturday 15th December 15:53
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It has happened, however the public outcry caused the person who was injured to drop the case. I`d pursue it.
Nonegreen, what are your Qualifications (Law, Physics ) ???
Edited by Jason F on Saturday 15th December 15:22
Bsc Hons (mechanical engineering), DMS MA MBA what of it????
My point was really that all these issues of breaking concentration or reducing driver effectiveness can be addressed by public information and driver training. Locking people up makes no sense at all, particularly when the worst offenders can be removed from the road which is where they caused a problem. Why would you wish to punish children by removing their mothers freedom?
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Bsc Hons (mechanical engineering), DMS MA MBA what of it????
I was curious
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My point was really that all these issues of breaking concentration or reducing driver effectiveness can be addressed by public information and driver training. Locking people up makes no sense at all, particularly when the worst offenders can be removed from the road which is where they caused a problem.
How do you determine the worst offender ? That is half the damn problem IMHO..
The people I consider awful are those who tailgate at 80mph, those who maintain this speed whilst in heavy fog, and those who`s attention is on something (noisy kiddie etc) rather than on the road. Can`t remember the stats, but I read somewhere that kids distracting parents is quite a proportion of RTAs and when I was last on the A1, the young lady in the Range Rover who was swerving All over the place cause she was turning round and doing something to/with the kid in the back whilst in the outside lane at 80mph showed why.
How do you determine the worst offender ? That is half the damn problem IMHO..
The people I consider awful are those who tailgate at 80mph, those who maintain this speed whilst in heavy fog, and those who`s attention is on something (noisy kiddie etc) rather than on the road. Can`t remember the stats, but I read somewhere that kids distracting parents is quite a proportion of RTAs and when I was last on the A1, the young lady in the Range Rover who was swerving All over the place cause she was turning round and doing something to/with the kid in the back whilst in the outside lane at 80mph showed why.
Yep I agree with all of that. The worst offenders are probably in all those catagories. As for determining who, well I guess its best done on a case by case basis. It kind of occured to me that the only people who should end up behind bars are those who drive while banned or nick cars then kill people with them. (on the basis of intent). Or is that too simplistic? If we want to effect a cultural change on the way the motoring public behave, then putting the concept that, the basic learners test is not good enough and it is the responsibilty of drivers to improve their skils through further training in the minds of the great unwashed might be the way to go.
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The people I consider awful are those who tailgate at 80mph,
I saw some unbelievable stuff today on the M3 near Southampton. Somebody in a huge 4x4 held up an enormous queue by sitting in the outside lane at 71mph for about 10 minutes. (This behaviour is legal but stonkingly inconsiderate). Some bloke in a blue Escort drove behind him literally a foot or two away for the whole thing moving from side to side *trying* to get past and failing.
To my mind BOTH would be guilty if a RTA occurred. But the law would be on the side of the 4x4...
BTW: I was a couple of hundred yards back waiting "patiently" to BLAST PAST.
But there you go...I'm not innocent either but what I saw took the biscuit.
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