Power Supply Units to GATSO cameras - update
Discussion
Breadvan73 said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the Courts are somehow linked to some other organisation? The UK's courts have their flaws, but one thing that they are is independent. The Government in all its incarnations regularly gets duffed up by the Courts.
They are Partners in the speed camera racket which generates business for them.If we were rid of the racket we could probably do with a smaller Courts Service...
fluffnik said:
Breadvan73 said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the Courts are somehow linked to some other organisation? The UK's courts have their flaws, but one thing that they are is independent. The Government in all its incarnations regularly gets duffed up by the Courts.
They are Partners in the speed camera racket which generates business for them.If we were rid of the racket we could probably do with a smaller Courts Service...
Not everyone knows that. here's the Northumbria Police SCP membership details taken directly from their own website:
Northumbria Safety Camera Partnership entered the programme in April 2003. The Partnership comprises: Northumbria Police, Northumberland County Council, Gateshead Metropolitan Borough Council, North Tyneside Metropolitan Borough Council, South Tyneside Metropolitan Borough Council, Newcastle City Council, Sunderland City Council, Northumbria Health Care NHS Trust, Northumbria Magistrates' Courts Service, Highways Agency. The Chairman of the Partnership is John Bann of Gateshead Metropolitan Borough Council.
Can't quite figure out why the NHS is a member. Perhaps they have an interest in collecting fainted defendants when they get slammed with the Expert Witness costs.
@Lynnzer - I assume you're aware of Mr Hall's previous role within the limited company (AVERAGE salary £33K) that is ACPO:
Trevor Hall
Secretary ACPO Road Policing Enforcement Technology and
Safety Camera Programme Co - Ordinator
I note there are still those who conflate scientific fact with the legal process, as though the weight of the Law can change the Laws of Physics. We already know what happens when a case like this goes to appeal. If you want to waste your time and money on a futile venture within a demonstrably corrupt system, be my guest.
Interesting to hear that the Home Office has been informed of their legal 'exposure' ref speed cameras. Can they get rid of them fast enough?
NB - We have the Court's written admission that they've been applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, as well as confirmation that they've done nothing to resolve the issue.
Trevor Hall
Secretary ACPO Road Policing Enforcement Technology and
Safety Camera Programme Co - Ordinator
I note there are still those who conflate scientific fact with the legal process, as though the weight of the Law can change the Laws of Physics. We already know what happens when a case like this goes to appeal. If you want to waste your time and money on a futile venture within a demonstrably corrupt system, be my guest.
Interesting to hear that the Home Office has been informed of their legal 'exposure' ref speed cameras. Can they get rid of them fast enough?
NB - We have the Court's written admission that they've been applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, as well as confirmation that they've done nothing to resolve the issue.
Edited by ramtec on Thursday 31st March 21:30
Breadvan73 said:
The last thing that any court wants is more business - they can barely deal with what they have as it is, and they don't run at a profit.
They provide income which is profitable to those employed.The SCPs might note have a huge take in the great scheme of things but it is everything for the parasites involved.
Breadvan73 said:
The last thing that any court wants is more business - they can barely deal with what they have as it is, and they don't run at a profit.
How can ANY government system run at a profit unless it produces something? A court is a service, all it'll ever do is absorb money. It's not like the Post Office that can sell services.People talking about profit from services make me laugh, any of them could make a 'profit' if they got given too much money to waste.
Hooli said:
How can ANY government system run at a profit unless it produces something? A court is a service, all it'll ever do is absorb money. It's not like the Post Office that can sell services.
People talking about profit from services make me laugh, any of them could make a 'profit' if they got given too much money to waste.
Easy.... but you need to be able to stop paying them.People talking about profit from services make me laugh, any of them could make a 'profit' if they got given too much money to waste.
I've got recollations of an Indonesian health care system where the Doctor only got paid when people were well.
Consequently you ended up with a doctor running around all day every day, visiting every hut in the village asking if everyone was ok. The minute that someone got sick everyone stopped paying him.
HMCS "make" money from the fines - when you send in a cheque for a speeding ticket it's processed by a court even if you go nowhere near one, and they take a cut. While the judges are beyond reproach (not employed by HMCS) I do sometimes wonder about the Clerks, especially the ones I came up against when I went 2-0 up against the CPS for speeding and failure to supply...
BDZ said:
Not that it has anything to do with anything, but GATSOs are neither run or administered by police officers.
Except that it requires the services of someone with the Office of Constable to maintain the fiction of their legitimacy and that the Oxfordshire switch-on is being funded by misusing part of the Police budget...ramtec said:
@Lynnzer - I assume you're aware of Mr Hall's previous role within the limited company (AVERAGE salary £33K) that is ACPO:
Trevor Hall
Secretary ACPO Road Policing Enforcement Technology and
Safety Camera Programme Co - Ordinator
I have a Google Alert for RSS Ltd, Trevor Hall, Gatos, and various other speeding related things. I get a daily update of the news items that's picked up as a result. It's a pity that Trevor Hall is also the name of a singer as I get more things than enough about him. Trevor Hall
Secretary ACPO Road Policing Enforcement Technology and
Safety Camera Programme Co - Ordinator
The truth is I know about as much as anyone as to the history of TH. Even have his home address.
In court he spoke almost as if he was part of the Home Office, quoting conversations with people from the various departments on first name terms. He even had the gall to say that the conditions in the ACPO Code of Practice that says for radar devices (which of course the Gatso is), "must not be used from within a vehicle" didn't make any difference to the correct measurements being made. What a load of 80llocks. He told the court that he was already doing a re-write of the Code of Practice and this section would be amended. On what scientific basis I wonder. I think it's more to do with stopping similar appeals than any scientifically proven results.
This man and the organisation he works within should be brought to heal as quickly as possible. They are not accountable to ANYONE. Try a FOI request to them. You won't get one answered. They are seconded to ACPO. They even have another sideline with supplying SCP's details of drivers for offering a Speed Awareness Course for an amount of, I think a tenner each. Why the hell Swansea DVLS can't do this I don't know. Med Hughes, the overall chairman of RSS Ltd, is also the stupid tw4t who got caught doing more than 80 in a 60 and was banned for a year. He's also the one who made the comment “We are going to demonstrate that spurious cases get a slap. We are saying to drivers who think they can try us on, Come and get us if you think you are hard enough.” This statement puts hom as a part of the prosecution team rather than an independent expert.
Now isn't that REAL IMPARTIALITY for you?
The fact is that the whole speeding related court system is as riddled with corruption as the government of Libya.
Lynnzer said:
This statement puts hom as a part of the prosecution team rather than an independent expert.
As independent as ramtec said:
The expert was able to demonstrate that no metering device, however well calibrated, could be relied upon when attached to an untested power supply unit (PSU).
?How did your expert demonstrate this?
Lynnzer said:
The courts are full of laypeople magistrates who believe almost anything the CPS tell them. After all, you wouldn't be in front of the bench if you hadn't done it would you?
I can't be arsed with the rest of the tin foil hat gash on this thread but I would disagree with your point above.Magistrates often appear to take the reverse view with reasonable people (not the professional scumbags they see day in day out) that why would they here protesting their innocence if they were guilty. This is especially true when they represent themselves with a fairly basic line of defence rather than something concocted by a lawyer.
V8LM said:
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How did your expert demonstrate this?
He didn't I reckon.How did your expert demonstrate this?
If he was an expert he could have demonstrated how metering devices can operate accurately from a wide range and quality of power supplies without any problem whatsoever and the meter be made to stop operating if the supply is outside of that acceptable. Sounds like a description of a Gatsometer in fact.
What was this chap doing I wonder. If he was paid he should refund the cash.
Lynnzer said:
This man and the organisation he works within should be brought to heal as quickly as possible. They are not accountable to ANYONE. Try a FOI request to them. You won't get one answered. They are seconded to ACPO. They even have another sideline with supplying SCP's details of drivers for offering a Speed Awareness Course for an amount of, I think a tenner each.
I have never been able to tell the difference between ACPO and gangsters....except that ACPO are far more dangerous.
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