A message to PH from your PH BiB
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Guam said:
Where the heck is dibble these days??
Missing his posting, any of the other Bib know why he isnt about?
Cheers
Sorry Tom, didn't notice you'd posted.Missing his posting, any of the other Bib know why he isnt about?
Cheers
I'm still here, just not posting as much. It seems the same old threads keep cropping up, with little new or of value said in them.
I'm also a bit out of the loop on matters traffic, having been on CID for three and a bit years now. So if you've any questions about arcane aspects of criminal law, let me know.
Plus, my hours a are a bit all over the place recently... In fact. I think I'll start a thread...
Mr_annie_vxr said:
fatboy18 said:
Time off work due to stress? (on full pay of course)
Then he would be posting here wouldn't he.I think Guam (TOM) its posts from ill-informed axe grinders like this that is pushing a lot of police officers away from this forum.
HTH
Yet currently we have more coppers than ever.
Go figure...
Plotloss said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
fatboy18 said:
Time off work due to stress? (on full pay of course)
Then he would be posting here wouldn't he.I think Guam (TOM) its posts from ill-informed axe grinders like this that is pushing a lot of police officers away from this forum.
HTH
Yet currently we have more coppers than ever.
Go figure...
ts and giggles?
Plotloss said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
fatboy18 said:
Time off work due to stress? (on full pay of course)
Then he would be posting here wouldn't he.I think Guam (TOM) its posts from ill-informed axe grinders like this that is pushing a lot of police officers away from this forum.
HTH
Yet currently we have more coppers than ever.
Go figure...
The more you hurt them, the more them come back begging for it?
You do a proper job lads, keep it up :-)
[quote=Jenx (V6GTO)]One thing I'd like to say, to Dibble and and his colleagues, is "Thank you for being there...for performing an often dangerous service that benefit everyone[/b]" (and PH would be a much poorer place without you)
Martin.
[/quote]
My sentiments entirely - PC Dibble is much preferred to PC Gatso and PC LTI.
And I come from an era of working for a short time in the smoke (when it was "the smoke "),needing foglamps, getting them ,wondering how best to place them physically /legally and ending up getting advice ,given honestly and freely by a Met BIB .Last "brush " was recently on motorway - semi blowout on motorway - me & mrs on hard shoulder -professionally he stopped after me ,HATO stopped before me (think that one out )-to see if all was well -very professional /courteous etc .
Carry on the good work Guys/guyesses - surely Swindon is the tip of the iceberg ,and soon we might have a realisation that NHS accident costs for RTA could be reduced by employing more PC Dibble
Problem blokes like this have is being classed with the Lanc$hire idiot --perhaps the time has come to remove the police signs from SCP cash converting vehicles and for all Police forces to diss-associate themselves from SCP.
Martin.
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My sentiments entirely - PC Dibble is much preferred to PC Gatso and PC LTI.
And I come from an era of working for a short time in the smoke (when it was "the smoke "),needing foglamps, getting them ,wondering how best to place them physically /legally and ending up getting advice ,given honestly and freely by a Met BIB .Last "brush " was recently on motorway - semi blowout on motorway - me & mrs on hard shoulder -professionally he stopped after me ,HATO stopped before me (think that one out )-to see if all was well -very professional /courteous etc .
Carry on the good work Guys/guyesses - surely Swindon is the tip of the iceberg ,and soon we might have a realisation that NHS accident costs for RTA could be reduced by employing more PC Dibble
Problem blokes like this have is being classed with the Lanc$hire idiot --perhaps the time has come to remove the police signs from SCP cash converting vehicles and for all Police forces to diss-associate themselves from SCP.
Guam said:
OK it has to be said the Bib Bashing is getting bloody silly on here now and some of the posts have and are being used its seems to me for swingeing attacks on the BIB I though the Mods were going to stay on top of this.
Whilst I disagree (sometimes strongly) with some of the Bib on here I have the deepest respect and admiration for them all (Even you Von).
The situation we now have is a number of the Bib are becoming sensitive (understandably) to even lwoer order comments and I would hate to see them driven off the board.
Cheers
Tom
Just thought I'd pick up on your post, Tom, because, you've shown yourself to be pretty fair minded, and one of the people I've enjoyed interacting with on here. Whilst I disagree (sometimes strongly) with some of the Bib on here I have the deepest respect and admiration for them all (Even you Von).
The situation we now have is a number of the Bib are becoming sensitive (understandably) to even lwoer order comments and I would hate to see them driven off the board.
Cheers
Tom
Whilst not an officer, but just police staff, I reckon I'm at the 'had enough' stage. The anti-police posts and arguments, I can handle. Being unable to concentrate on the arguments because of finding post after post that is devoted simply to casting aspersions on my identity and my character, with no connection to the topic at hand, is getting too much in the way now.
As you know, its just the one member, really, that is filling up, and ruining the threads, with these asides, that are malicious,and threatening towards me personally. So, no hard feelings to anyone else. And good wishes to many.
Edited by TPAC on Wednesday 17th September 09:07
Just a thought guys, I do generaly aggree with the previous comments just posted, However, Surley you guys in the force can take some kind of measurement form the comments and see that when it generaly comes to motoring issues many people are not happy! I know you guys have to uphold the law, but most days now theres some goverment proposal to impliment some new rule on cameras aimed at targeting us again the motorist, which in turn generates CASH! Its so frustrating singing up to petition after petition and not generaly seeing any good comonsence results. With the technolgy now of the morden motor vehicles, better brake systems, crumple zones on cars etc, many of us are sick to death of the speed issue / saftey. Meanwhile we see crime, muggings, knife attacks etc all on the increase. Lets not forget where we are, this is a Motoring Forum. I belive most of the comments you are hearing is from cheesed off motorists, who generaly have no other avenue to tell you guys what we think.
Personally im glad you guys are on here, as it adds for healthy debate, Just try not to take things too personally. Like ive said I think more of it is aimed at Goverment and local council policy.
Personally im glad you guys are on here, as it adds for healthy debate, Just try not to take things too personally. Like ive said I think more of it is aimed at Goverment and local council policy.
Guam said:
TPAC said:
Guam said:
OK it has to be said the Bib Bashing is getting bloody silly on here now and some of the posts have and are being used its seems to me for swingeing attacks on the BIB I though the Mods were going to stay on top of this.
Whilst I disagree (sometimes strongly) with some of the Bib on here I have the deepest respect and admiration for them all (Even you Von).
The situation we now have is a number of the Bib are becoming sensitive (understandably) to even lwoer order comments and I would hate to see them driven off the board.
Cheers
Tom
Just thought I'd pick up on your post, Tom, because, you've shown yourself to be pretty fair minded, and one of the people I've enjoyed interacting with on here. Whilst I disagree (sometimes strongly) with some of the Bib on here I have the deepest respect and admiration for them all (Even you Von).
The situation we now have is a number of the Bib are becoming sensitive (understandably) to even lwoer order comments and I would hate to see them driven off the board.
Cheers
Tom
Whilst not an officer, but just police staff, I reckon I'm at the 'had enough' stage. The anti-police posts and arguments, I can handle. Being unable to concentrate on the arguments because of finding post after post that is devoted simply to casting aspersions on my identity and my character, with no connection to the topic at hand, is getting too much in the way now.
As you know, its just the one member, really, that is filling up, and ruining the threads, with these asides, that are malicious,and threatening towards me personally. So, no hard feelings to anyone else. And good wishes to many.
Edited by TPAC on Wednesday 17th September 09:07
That being said (and Wildy will be reading this) I think it has gone too far Wildy
The issue was I guess that initially you (unintentially) came over as many of the trolls we get on here and "wildy loves to hunt them down, hell intially I thought you may be
That being said its clear you arent best thing to do is what I do when some muppet takes the debate to a personal level just ignore it they get the message soon enough no wildy I am not describing you as a muppet general statement (Tpac may have a different view however)
There are actually some good people in this section and I spend WAY to much time in here TBH that being said the good debates can be thought provoking in here and make perserverence worth while
We get t
ts on here from both sides of the debate and it swings between Bib Bashing and Anti Camera Lobby bashing in pretty much equal measure and gets vile often on either side, read some of the rows I have had with Brake Trolls and such in the past the invective would make your hair curl (have the scars to prove it)As I said in my initial Gag which you initially misread I was once told "its the internet dummy they even have access in mental hospitals and prisons" "normal Rules do not apply"
We forget often that the person on the other side of an exchange in a debate on a forum may truly be "Micey" (as we used to say up north).
Cheers
Tom
Agree almost entirely. WCs antics have indeed, though, gone too far, however. Strayed right off topic in most cases. Threads hi-jacked. Bloody husband involved, etc. I'm finding it too much like hard work, and too near to letting rip and dishing out some home truths.
I can see from past threads that most people have been tolerant. And its fair to say that WC usually 'winds people up' in a particular, but generally harmless, way. If she had gone about it in the manner that she has with me, I doubt it would have been tolerated so. As it is, she seems to 'run' SP&L. Who she wants on it stays. Those she doesn't want, she endeavours to see off.
Your allusion to mental hospitals might not be misplaced. I don't have any nursing skills, sadly.
Cheers.
ETA. Long story short: Pleasure from forums ruined. Dreading coming on, instead of looking forward to it. Making me miserable. Why bother.
Edited by TPAC on Wednesday 17th September 10:12
God, I can't stand people moaning bout the BiB, if you think it's so easy, you do it!
Anyway, I think it's the BiB that make PH interesting, I don't know many places where you can ask a question about the law and such, and get a reply that is accurate and unbiased (mostly lol). Well except for the odd solicator or barrister (except they charge per post). Glad your on here guys and girls. keep up the good work.
Anyway, I think it's the BiB that make PH interesting, I don't know many places where you can ask a question about the law and such, and get a reply that is accurate and unbiased (mostly lol). Well except for the odd solicator or barrister (except they charge per post). Glad your on here guys and girls. keep up the good work.
As somoene who mostly seems to be on the bashing side of BiB arguments on here, it's really nothing personal. It's almost always the rules and the people who make them that are the problem, rather than the police.
What is frustrating though, is whenever anyone posts something criticising a bit of particularly bad policing, a particularly literal interpretation of the law or a new piece of oppressive and intrusive legislation then a few BiB's on here will leap in with the dull tortologies and truisms familiar to anyone who ever got a speeding ticket. "We don't make the rules" "the law is the law" and perhams worst of all "if you don't break the law you don't have to worry."
Firstly lots of people post on here when they've done something, often pretty silly, and been caught. They want to vent their spleen, get some sympathy or sometimes just clarify the law they have broken. To post these dull and obvious responses again is seen as smug if not down right antagonising.
Secondly, there's a huge section of public opinion, myself included, who think that Britain is turning into a really nasty, illiberal and very intolerant society. The police are on the front line of this and even though I'm sure many privately disagree with this direction they are bound to be criticised with great passion by those who have been on the receiving end and by those who actually care about issues of principle as regards civil liberty and freedom.
Finally there's the aspect that while all of us are asked to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of fighting crime, terrorism and so forth, it seems that when the police actually catch people committing the genuine crimes that nearly everyone agrees are wrong, the courts and the legal system behind them end up handing out punishments which seem trivial in comparisson to the punishments we as law abiding citizens receive for trivial offences. I'm sure most policemen would like to see tougher sentancing as much as I would, but you can't detach the police from the legal system behind them.
To my mind Britain is now at a kind of tipping point where the state is more of a cost than a benefit to the people who live there.
I'm not, and never have been a policeman, and never really given any serious thought to joining. However if I somehow did find myself now as a policeman and in a position where I was asked to man a speed trap or arrest someone for smoking in a pub or hunting with hounds, I would actually rather leave the police force and do something else.
So, if you are a policeman who genuinely cares about not just catching criminals but actually upholding the laws and principles that underpin a free society then don't be too surprised that people occasionally get angry with the police in general.
If however you are the sort of policeman who joined for the thrill of authority, and you expect nothing but praise from people who thank you for being punished and who believe that one vote in 40 million, once every five years, makes every rule unimpeachable and rigid enforcement of it something for which we should be grateful, then I'm sure you'll be able to take it on the chin until all of our IP addresses are registered and we get fixed penalties every time we commit the hate crime of criticising the police. After all, the future of Britain is yours.
What is frustrating though, is whenever anyone posts something criticising a bit of particularly bad policing, a particularly literal interpretation of the law or a new piece of oppressive and intrusive legislation then a few BiB's on here will leap in with the dull tortologies and truisms familiar to anyone who ever got a speeding ticket. "We don't make the rules" "the law is the law" and perhams worst of all "if you don't break the law you don't have to worry."
Firstly lots of people post on here when they've done something, often pretty silly, and been caught. They want to vent their spleen, get some sympathy or sometimes just clarify the law they have broken. To post these dull and obvious responses again is seen as smug if not down right antagonising.
Secondly, there's a huge section of public opinion, myself included, who think that Britain is turning into a really nasty, illiberal and very intolerant society. The police are on the front line of this and even though I'm sure many privately disagree with this direction they are bound to be criticised with great passion by those who have been on the receiving end and by those who actually care about issues of principle as regards civil liberty and freedom.
Finally there's the aspect that while all of us are asked to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of fighting crime, terrorism and so forth, it seems that when the police actually catch people committing the genuine crimes that nearly everyone agrees are wrong, the courts and the legal system behind them end up handing out punishments which seem trivial in comparisson to the punishments we as law abiding citizens receive for trivial offences. I'm sure most policemen would like to see tougher sentancing as much as I would, but you can't detach the police from the legal system behind them.
To my mind Britain is now at a kind of tipping point where the state is more of a cost than a benefit to the people who live there.
I'm not, and never have been a policeman, and never really given any serious thought to joining. However if I somehow did find myself now as a policeman and in a position where I was asked to man a speed trap or arrest someone for smoking in a pub or hunting with hounds, I would actually rather leave the police force and do something else.
So, if you are a policeman who genuinely cares about not just catching criminals but actually upholding the laws and principles that underpin a free society then don't be too surprised that people occasionally get angry with the police in general.
If however you are the sort of policeman who joined for the thrill of authority, and you expect nothing but praise from people who thank you for being punished and who believe that one vote in 40 million, once every five years, makes every rule unimpeachable and rigid enforcement of it something for which we should be grateful, then I'm sure you'll be able to take it on the chin until all of our IP addresses are registered and we get fixed penalties every time we commit the hate crime of criticising the police. After all, the future of Britain is yours.
I have to agree with the post above in many ways. However - I'm pretty firmly in the camp of 'the police are pretty good guys'.
But. When I recounted a story here of a PCSO who had falsified a parking ticket (ticket was withdrawn after I got the CCTV evidence to show that the times were simply not right), I was astonished at the response from one BiB in particular. The point of the story was that one PCSO had taken the 'easy option' of walking round the corner, seeing a fast car and thinking 'bet he's been here for >20 mins' and gave a ticket accordingly. He was lazy, IMO.
One poster here got to the point of barracking me to the point of threatening to 'out' me, and accusing me of Perverting the Course of Justice, Cronyism, using my position illegally and demanding an apology to that PCSO, and threatening me with all sorts.
Why? Because I'm a JP. Despite the fact that the PCSO didn't know, the local desk sergeant didn't know, and in fact was completely irrelevant to the story. But for this Bib in particular, that made me fair game for the most appalling and unjustified attacks.
Having never bashed the BiB, and indeed, been a bit of a police apologist - I think they do a remarkably difficult job, with inappropriate strategic target driven policies, and suffering from the same kneejerk RedTop driven legislation that I do in court - this left an extremely nasty taste in my mouth, to the point where I walked away from PH for a long, long time.
But. When I recounted a story here of a PCSO who had falsified a parking ticket (ticket was withdrawn after I got the CCTV evidence to show that the times were simply not right), I was astonished at the response from one BiB in particular. The point of the story was that one PCSO had taken the 'easy option' of walking round the corner, seeing a fast car and thinking 'bet he's been here for >20 mins' and gave a ticket accordingly. He was lazy, IMO.
One poster here got to the point of barracking me to the point of threatening to 'out' me, and accusing me of Perverting the Course of Justice, Cronyism, using my position illegally and demanding an apology to that PCSO, and threatening me with all sorts.
Why? Because I'm a JP. Despite the fact that the PCSO didn't know, the local desk sergeant didn't know, and in fact was completely irrelevant to the story. But for this Bib in particular, that made me fair game for the most appalling and unjustified attacks.
Having never bashed the BiB, and indeed, been a bit of a police apologist - I think they do a remarkably difficult job, with inappropriate strategic target driven policies, and suffering from the same kneejerk RedTop driven legislation that I do in court - this left an extremely nasty taste in my mouth, to the point where I walked away from PH for a long, long time.
Used to be in the Police Specials sometime ago for few years...
I only applied cos I was seeing a bird in the Specials, did not expect to get in!
Really opens your eyes to what the job entails...
The people you have to deal with, total scumbags...
Tough job, can be good fun and exciting but not for me.
Keep up the good work!
I only applied cos I was seeing a bird in the Specials, did not expect to get in!
Really opens your eyes to what the job entails...
The people you have to deal with, total scumbags...
Tough job, can be good fun and exciting but not for me.
Keep up the good work!
Although I agree with most of the sentiments in Dibble's OP, and also find myself agreeing with AJS, the need for the OP isn't (to me) clear cut for two reasons.
Most PHers when criticising the police, do so from the perspective of mostly law-abiding taxpaying honest citizens, the kind who would not harm people or property just the opposite in fact, who will also always try their best to drive safely - as more than a means of getting from A to B and as something they devote time and energy and money to improving - if occasionally at a speed above an arbitrary and safety-unrelated number on a pole. If the police lose the support of people like this it will be the fault of the police alone. Much support has already been lost and old school police like the former CCs in the north east and north west (Durham, one of the Yorkshire forces, and Manchester) have pointed this out publicly on numerous occasions. So this is nothing new and nothing new to the police.
The second point is where, in that attribution of blame, the real fault lies. To my view it dosn't rest with hard-working front line officers, it rests with the non-copper flaccid flavour of political animal in the ranks of senior police, who have allowed their high office to become too politicised too easily. Names could be named but we all know who those people are, one recently 'moved out' alongside photo opps for somebody called Boris, another is apparently about to retire. Another tried to smear the Tories and had to apologise, while yet another frequented the urban jungle websites posting about drugs and street cred issues. For personal rather than professional reasons it would seem.
In that context, and putting aside the occasional rotten apple story, a lot of posts on this forum aren't BiB bashing as claimed. The posters even go out of their way to say that it's not the rank and file police that's the problem but over-promoted out-of-touch Labour cronies. The fact that such individuals are wasting public momey monitoring BiB presence on forums like this is just another symptom of a State rotting from the core out on Labour control freakery plus incompetence and ideological bankruptcy.
Surely PH BiB can discern what the vast majority are saying, particularly wehn it's made explicit on so many occasions? Equally surely, everybody here is grateful for a BiB presence involving real people living in the real world, one or two PH BiB living on another planet is tolerable as there are MoPs like that too, but that gratitude doesn't extend to excusing the inexcusable.
Anyway, cheers Dibble and your fellow boys (and girls) in blue
Most PHers when criticising the police, do so from the perspective of mostly law-abiding taxpaying honest citizens, the kind who would not harm people or property just the opposite in fact, who will also always try their best to drive safely - as more than a means of getting from A to B and as something they devote time and energy and money to improving - if occasionally at a speed above an arbitrary and safety-unrelated number on a pole. If the police lose the support of people like this it will be the fault of the police alone. Much support has already been lost and old school police like the former CCs in the north east and north west (Durham, one of the Yorkshire forces, and Manchester) have pointed this out publicly on numerous occasions. So this is nothing new and nothing new to the police.
The second point is where, in that attribution of blame, the real fault lies. To my view it dosn't rest with hard-working front line officers, it rests with the non-copper flaccid flavour of political animal in the ranks of senior police, who have allowed their high office to become too politicised too easily. Names could be named but we all know who those people are, one recently 'moved out' alongside photo opps for somebody called Boris, another is apparently about to retire. Another tried to smear the Tories and had to apologise, while yet another frequented the urban jungle websites posting about drugs and street cred issues. For personal rather than professional reasons it would seem.
In that context, and putting aside the occasional rotten apple story, a lot of posts on this forum aren't BiB bashing as claimed. The posters even go out of their way to say that it's not the rank and file police that's the problem but over-promoted out-of-touch Labour cronies. The fact that such individuals are wasting public momey monitoring BiB presence on forums like this is just another symptom of a State rotting from the core out on Labour control freakery plus incompetence and ideological bankruptcy.
Surely PH BiB can discern what the vast majority are saying, particularly wehn it's made explicit on so many occasions? Equally surely, everybody here is grateful for a BiB presence involving real people living in the real world, one or two PH BiB living on another planet is tolerable as there are MoPs like that too, but that gratitude doesn't extend to excusing the inexcusable.
Anyway, cheers Dibble and your fellow boys (and girls) in blue
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