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Goodwin

165 posts

110 months

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Sunday 19th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
Again I feel your opinion is something I would be ashamed to wear, you don;t and are happy with it. Great.
At least I have stated an opinion - all you have done is laughed at mine - you have not stated your position or provided any justification or beleif for holding that opinion.

Tampon said:
I feel it is based alot on you and your experiences which is never going to be balance or unbaised, I would therefore ask that you consider the language you use ie painting a picture that that is the way it is rather than your limited experienced view.
Everybody (yes everybody) derives their opinion based on personal experiences there is no other way; even other sources of information, however valid, are weighed based on personal history and experience. To suggest otherwise is naive and to suggest you are totally and completely unbiased and totally balanced is intrinsically flawed.

Tampon said:
I am sure you realise I am far far away from you line of thinking.
You disagree with me - but I am not convinced that you think. The concept of debate is that one posits an opinion, position or theory; backing it up with reason - be it personal experience, feeling or solid fact. To have a debate an someone with an opposing view needs to provide a counter opinion and provide reason and justification in a similar manner. So far you argument has amounted to "I don't agree with you so you are an idiot". You have provided no couter thesis, no alternative reason, fact or experience. Based on this lack of argument how do you claim to think - you have not actually stated one position or opinion counter to my argument.

My original post is summed up as:-
My respect for the police is less than it used to be.
My reason for this is based on personal experiences of which I shared key points, summing my total police experience to be a negative one (supporting my reduced respect).

If you are "Far Far away" then your respect for the police must be increasing daily and the sum total of your encounters must be positive. In which case I can understand you counter position, but why not state this and stand up like a man and be counted for your beliefs, rather than purile schoolyard name calling - and you call me childish.

Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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Goodwin said:
Lot of nice debating stuff
Goodwin, it is not a debate, I am not arguing your opinion which you offered freely on a internet forum, in your own style. I like a good debate, having just written a thesis on Plato's debates of Socrates. I am fully aware of a argument, how it is formed to make it valid or invalid, how to test, prove and counterclaim and how all of these thing don't make a argument sound.

What I did do was take the piss out of you, I find your opinion and especially the language used to convey it, laughable, I still do. It wouldn't form the basis of a debate anywhere, it would get shot to st in seconds. Your subsequent posts have shown a higher level of intelligence, and I am surprised the same person thought the original posts were something they wanted to represent them.

I try not to argue on the internet, one it won't change anything, two it is like winning gold in the special Olympics. You win but you're still a retard.

On that note, you win.

groovylee

67 posts

52 months

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Monday 20th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
it is like winning gold in the special Olympics. You win but you're still a retard.
you owe me a new keyboard dude! smile

Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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groovylee said:
you owe me a new keyboard dude! smile
Sadly not mine, a stolen widely used analogy from the internet.

Goodwin

165 posts

110 months

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Monday 20th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
What I did do was take the piss out of you...
....You win but you're still a retard.

On that note, you win.
As you are unwilling to share an iota of your opinion and just want to ridicule mine I think this should end here. Your sole input appears to be name calling and it is only a matter of time before Godwin's law applies. You find my opinion and language laughable? I find your behaviour execrable and your cowardice at not offering your own opinion up to the same scrutiny to be pitiable. You are obviously the better man at childish name calling and you must be really popular in the schoolyard. You win; and you have my pity.
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Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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Monday 20th June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
As you are unwilling to share an iota of your opinion and just want to ridicule mine I think this should end here. Your sole input appears to be name calling and it is only a matter of time before Godwin's law applies. You find my opinion and language laughable? I find your behaviour execrable and your cowardice at not offering your own opinion up to the same scrutiny to be pitiable. You are obviously the better man at childish name calling and you must be really popular in the schoolyard. You win; and you have my pity.
"don't argue with idiots" it is a popular saying.

Don't go offering you opinion so widely if you don't want to be commented on, you shall reap what you sow.

You may call me a coward I don't mind, I don't feel like one, especially not in this case, I stood up to silly "bar stool opinions", nt many do they just smile and nod and go away and tell people what a tosspot that guy is over there, but I am open to the possibility that I am. I shall not get defensive here, no need.

Thank you for your pity but I feel there are other much worthier than I. I am not sure why you think getting defensive and not being able to keep up with banter make me a child, but again I am happy for you to feel that, no harm done.

If I win that makes the retard I guess, do I get a lollipop ? Maybe that is too much of a choking hazard and might kill me dead/ get me arrested for being a pedophile ? probably knowing the country and the state it is in now......

Joking.

Goodwin

165 posts

110 months

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Tuesday 21st June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
... I stood up to silly "bar stool opinions", nt many do they just smile and nod ....

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This is the whole crux of the problem in this phrase here. You call my opinion silly and intimate that other would feel the same and yet you provide no counter. Please let me provide an example (albeit black and white):-

Option A) I am right in my opinion - many people feel the same way. You behavior is rude, you know it, and are unwilling to accept correction from peers which is why your whole contribution is name calling and nothing of substance.

Option B) You are right - my opinion is wrong. I have several times asked for your opinion but all I get is further name calling. How am I supposed to understand the social dynamic, realise my errors and receive guidance from peers when you will not provide them. I am not closed minded, in fact quite the opposite, but you seem extremely reticent to offer anything.

idea On second thoughts, perhaps your world is like Fight Club. The first rule of Tampon Club is you neverstand for anything.

Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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Tuesday 21st June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
This is the whole crux of the problem in this phrase here. You call my opinion silly and intimate that other would feel the same and yet you provide no counter. Please let me provide an example (albeit black and white):-

Option A) I am right in my opinion - many people feel the same way. You behavior is rude, you know it, and are unwilling to accept correction from peers which is why your whole contribution is name calling and nothing of substance.

Option B) You are right - my opinion is wrong. I have several times asked for your opinion but all I get is further name calling. How am I supposed to understand the social dynamic, realise my errors and receive guidance from peers when you will not provide them. I am not closed minded, in fact quite the opposite, but you seem extremely reticent to offer anything.

idea On second thoughts, perhaps your world is like Fight Club. The first rule of Tampon Club is you neverstand for anything.
Yeap.

To it all.

I look the fool.

I must try harder to change people on the internet. Goodwin was looking for guidance on a motoring forum when he said that Labradors should be considered a danger to children as they could kill a 4 year old dead one just one ninja bite, or at the very least knock them over and give them brain damage, when he said he would probably get arrested that night ( did you ? didn't think so ) when he wished time was back when a man took responsibility for his actions ( never actually clarified when this time was ), who evoked the spirit of a bent fictional police character from a television programme ( ffs ! ) I was not able to give it to him. I must go back to Jedi school.


I am actually half tempted to go over your original posts and show you but they were silly in the first place but it only gives them credence, which they don;t deserve.

shout IT IS NOT THE BASIS FOR A ARGUEMNET OR DEBATE. You want a made up character to police the street of the real world ! Maybe my counter arguement or opinion should be that I would rather have Batman guard us whilst we sleep so we can debate on the same level.

Your making out like you wrote some new thesis on policing in the modern age, you didn't it was drivel and not worthly of serious discussion, ridicule yes, analysis definitely not.

Not being given my opinion ? well you kind of have done as I posted earlier, difference being no one read what I put and decided to rip the piss out of me. Maybe my thoughts that I penned on a forum were slightly more considered and less, how do I put this, rose tinted, lowest fear denominated, phony hovis advert heart string twanging, non contradictory, out of the realms of reality, stuck in 70's tv cop show, paint the lowest chance situation as the basis for worry or argument on the basis that it "could" happen.

Maybe that was why, but still Goodwin, just because i don't capitulate to what you demand doesn't make you right buddy, just means your being ignored. Maybe that what your finding hard to deal with ? Hard to judge a man when you have nothing to go on, if you don't like the judgement, be careful what you say.

Better to be thought a idiot than open your mouth and prove it, right now you think I am a idiot, you opened your mouth.........

Goodwin

165 posts

110 months

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Tuesday 21st June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
Hard to judge a man when you have nothing to go on, if you don't like the judgement, be careful what you say.

.........
I think the past few days have given me plenty to form a judgement about you. You are now unable to separate one arguement from another. Fare thee well, enjoy your life, go sit in your rugby club/pub and bh about everything, but never do a thing to change anything. Enjoy, have fun. I'm sure you'll be very happy telling everyone how you took the p**s out of "this bloke on the internet who thought different to me", and they'll all laugh and buy you beer and make you feel wanted.

Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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Tuesday 21st June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
I think the past few days have given me plenty to form a judgement about you. You are now unable to separate one arguement from another. Fare thee well, enjoy your life, go sit in your rugby club/pub and bh about everything, but never do a thing to change anything. Enjoy, have fun. I'm sure you'll be very happy telling everyone how you took the p**s out of "this bloke on the internet who thought different to me", and they'll all laugh and buy you beer and make you feel wanted.
woohoo

I can tell the difference between the two, I found you hilarious because of you outrageous thoughts on two different subjects, brought it all together to try and get you to pipe down about making out you had the debating prose of The Laches when in actually fact you spoke bks.

I wasn't the one bhing fella, you were. I am a happy go lucky joker. Generally tend to not bh about things around me as I worry about coming across like you, self opinionated cliched bore.

Your judgement on me would be on you feeling defensive on me pulling you up, again probably not exactly a sound basis to start from but don't let that stop you, I don't mind

Good luck with recreating Ashes to Ashes to defeat the wild pack of dogs that "hunted" you and the GF through the Italian woodland rofl Maybe try and find Wolverine to help heal all the children with brain damage from the "wild animals" that all pet dogs are. Seriously I am laughing again writing just some of the crap you have said and tried to make out as valid points.

If you take anything away from this onesided exchange ( I will leave it to you which side wink ) remember "self opinion is the best opinion in a world of one"

Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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P.S. first rule of Fight club is you don't talk about Fight Club.

TVRWannabee

524 posts

144 months

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sleep

IainT

9,760 posts

135 months

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Tampon said:
Your judgement on me would be on you feeling defensive on me pulling you up, again probably not exactly a sound basis to start from but don't let that stop you, I don't mind
rofl

Wait a minute, you're taking yourself seriously aren't you? eek


Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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IainT said:
rofl

Wait a minute, you're taking yourself seriously aren't you? eek
hehe
A little bit biggrin

Tampon

3,758 posts

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TVRWannabee said:
sleep
I know I know I will take my share of the snoozey smilie buttttttttttttttttttt.


Goodwin

165 posts

110 months

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Wait a minute. I can see know that I was wrong - the piss taking has made me see the error of my ways. I was not hunted I was just being followed by some nice doggies who wanted to catch up with me play fetch. I clearly misinterpreted the situation and their body language because I was wrong: dogs are not dangerous, no dog is dangerous and no dog has ever harmed a child, ever. Really I cant understand why they are not used in nursaries and instead of babysitters.

On the subject of the police again I was totally wrong. The police do a perfect job, they are not just human but all of them are superhuman and are entirely capable of serving the law totally impassionately. They make no prejudgement based on race, sex apparent wealth or their own personal circumstances at the time. Every crime is investigated to the full extent of the evidencial trail. Their application of the law is flawless and indiscriminate in every way, every time. I should give them my full, unconditional respect and should never question their motives or actions, either publically or privately.

My beliefs that the world is other than this is obviously some form of pyschosis and my memories of experience supporting this are obviously delusions dreamt up to reinforce my twisted warped world view when I beleive the world is imperfect.

Thank god for the medicinal piss taking to drag me from my illness and help me realise that the world is a lovely place where nothing bad ever happens.


Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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Tuesday 21st June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
Wait a minute. I can see know that I was wrong - the piss taking has made me see the error of my ways. I was not hunted I was just being followed by some nice doggies who wanted to catch up with me play fetch. I clearly misinterpreted the situation and their body language because I was wrong: dogs are not dangerous, no dog is dangerous and no dog has ever harmed a child, ever. Really I cant understand why they are not used in nursaries and instead of babysitters.

On the subject of the police again I was totally wrong. The police do a perfect job, they are not just human but all of them are superhuman and are entirely capable of serving the law totally impassionately. They make no prejudgement based on race, sex apparent wealth or their own personal circumstances at the time. Every crime is investigated to the full extent of the evidencial trail. Their application of the law is flawless and indiscriminate in every way, every time. I should give them my full, unconditional respect and should never question their motives or actions, either publically or privately.

My beliefs that the world is other than this is obviously some form of pyschosis and my memories of experience supporting this are obviously delusions dreamt up to reinforce my twisted warped world view when I beleive the world is imperfect.

Thank god for the medicinal piss taking to drag me from my illness and help me realise that the world is a lovely place where nothing bad ever happens.
New line of defense, one extreme to the other.

I don;t care if you carry on saying "your", way out there, opinions, I will take the piss if you do it publicly though, I have no want or desire to change you line of thinking, I just wanted to mock it as it was extreme. People do that here when others speak dribble. People should be told when they talk rubbish, people tell me when I do, sometimes I take it on board sometimes I don't. I try not to get too het up about it and work my self into a corner when I have been a bit pratish.

Wanting Ashes to Ashes as a model for modern policing ? forget that little nugget ? did you get arrested ? police officers decide what to police based on their own personal feelings and convince, some mythical situation where 12 officers whilst being told of a serious assault decided to stay and catch a couple of speeders, all dogs are wild animals ? 4 year olds are dieing from one bite of a Labrador and if they don;t they die of brain damage when they hit the floor? wanting time back to when men where responsible for there actions ? you taking evidence to the police about a crime and they treated you like a criminal, lock you up, arrest you question you, fingerprints ?

Don't forget the juicy bits, touch selective when you get defensive.



IainT

9,760 posts

135 months

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Goodwin said:
Wait a minute. I can see know that I was wrong - the piss taking has made me see the error of my ways.
Alternatively put people, who are only interested in trolling you, on your virtual ignore list. Life's generally more pleasant then. Don't rise to the bait and sinking to his level will only leave you beaten by experience.

Tampon

3,758 posts

122 months

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IainT said:
Alternatively put people, who are only interested in trolling you, on your virtual ignore list. Life's generally more pleasant then. Don't rise to the bait and sinking to his level will only leave you beaten by experience.
Yes. This.

broker1

7,114 posts

73 months

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AJS- said:
As somoene who mostly seems to be on the bashing side of BiB arguments on here, it's really nothing personal. It's almost always the rules and the people who make them that are the problem, rather than the police.

What is frustrating though, is whenever anyone posts something criticising a bit of particularly bad policing, a particularly literal interpretation of the law or a new piece of oppressive and intrusive legislation then a few BiB's on here will leap in with the dull tortologies and truisms familiar to anyone who ever got a speeding ticket. "We don't make the rules" "the law is the law" and perhams worst of all "if you don't break the law you don't have to worry."

Firstly lots of people post on here when they've done something, often pretty silly, and been caught. They want to vent their spleen, get some sympathy or sometimes just clarify the law they have broken. To post these dull and obvious responses again is seen as smug if not down right antagonising.

Secondly, there's a huge section of public opinion, myself included, who think that Britain is turning into a really nasty, illiberal and very intolerant society. The police are on the front line of this and even though I'm sure many privately disagree with this direction they are bound to be criticised with great passion by those who have been on the receiving end and by those who actually care about issues of principle as regards civil liberty and freedom.

Finally there's the aspect that while all of us are asked to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of fighting crime, terrorism and so forth, it seems that when the police actually catch people committing the genuine crimes that nearly everyone agrees are wrong, the courts and the legal system behind them end up handing out punishments which seem trivial in comparisson to the punishments we as law abiding citizens receive for trivial offences. I'm sure most policemen would like to see tougher sentancing as much as I would, but you can't detach the police from the legal system behind them.

To my mind Britain is now at a kind of tipping point where the state is more of a cost than a benefit to the people who live there.

I'm not, and never have been a policeman, and never really given any serious thought to joining. However if I somehow did find myself now as a policeman and in a position where I was asked to man a speed trap or arrest someone for smoking in a pub or hunting with hounds, I would actually rather leave the police force and do something else.

So, if you are a policeman who genuinely cares about not just catching criminals but actually upholding the laws and principles that underpin a free society then don't be too surprised that people occasionally get angry with the police in general.

If however you are the sort of policeman who joined for the thrill of authority, and you expect nothing but praise from people who thank you for being punished and who believe that one vote in 40 million, once every five years, makes every rule unimpeachable and rigid enforcement of it something for which we should be grateful, then I'm sure you'll be able to take it on the chin until all of our IP addresses are registered and we get fixed penalties every time we commit the hate crime of criticising the police. After all, the future of Britain is yours.
What a brilliant post. Thank you for putting into words what I feel, but always get to angry and annoyed to convey in a civil manner.
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