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Knock_knock

400 posts

61 months

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Tuesday 12th April 2011 quote quote all
HonestIago said:
Just wondering, is it very difficult to become a high ranking police officer if one is not a freemason?
I think "those days" are pretty much gone. IIRC you have to declare membership of the masons, and the days of having "assistance" to the detriment of others seem long gone. Go back 20-30 years and I think it was a rather different situation, where the correct membership was almost certainly the way forward.

I only know two Officers who are masons. Both are still Constables (ie: no promotion) and one of them is getting his arse kicked (good and proper) via the Disciplinary process and PSD at the moment, so clearly being a mason isn't helping him one iota!

My current view on those in high ranks is that to get there you appear to need to be a a bit of a "yes" man, with some sort of pointless degree, not much backbone, a predilection for stabbing others in the back, and little interest in "proper" Policing. There are a few good senior Officers, but not remotely enough (in my experience).

KK



ExChrispy Porker

12,222 posts

113 months

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Wednesday 13th April 2011 quote quote all
Being female or from an ethnic minority helps more these days.

Goodwin

165 posts

98 months

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Friday 17th June 2011 quote quote all
I was brough up to have a respect for authority, but over the years this has diminished more and more. I have been a "victim" 4 times and a "criminal" once; and I have found the police to be useless whenever I have needed them. Once taking 2 weeks to respond so there was no chance of colecting any evidence, on another occasion even on presenting the evidence there was no interest in following up and I was treated more like a criminal than the vistim.

The one that particularly galls me is some years ago when I was young and foolish I crashed into someones wall and drove off. After a sleepless night I wwent to the police to confess. I was charged for leaving the scene even though I reported it within 24 hours. 5 years later someone drove into my car damaging it and drove off leaving no information - fortunately someone saw this and was kind enough to leave the details. When I called the police they eventually came back with the information but were not pressing charges as teh "young lady didn't think she had done much damage".

These days I have very little respect for the police as they appear to choose what to do based on personal feelings and convenience rather than a dispasionnate equal application to all. When I see 12 officetrs standing round to catch a few speeders on the A4 but they cannot spare someone for a serious assault you lose all respect. For whatever reason the prorities of policing are wrong and getting worse not better and on the rare occasions where they do appear to get a reasonable result they are let down by the courts. As far as Im concerned we need more Gene Hunts and to go back to when people were man enough to take responsibility for their actions if caught.

Rant over - no doubt I'll be nicked tonight for something.

Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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Friday 17th June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
I was brough up to have a respect for authority, but over the years this has diminished more and more. I have been a "victim" 4 times and a "criminal" once; and I have found the police to be useless whenever I have needed them. Once taking 2 weeks to respond so there was no chance of colecting any evidence, on another occasion even on presenting the evidence there was no interest in following up and I was treated more like a criminal than the vistim.

The one that particularly galls me is some years ago when I was young and foolish I crashed into someones wall and drove off. After a sleepless night I wwent to the police to confess. I was charged for leaving the scene even though I reported it within 24 hours. 5 years later someone drove into my car damaging it and drove off leaving no information - fortunately someone saw this and was kind enough to leave the details. When I called the police they eventually came back with the information but were not pressing charges as teh "young lady didn't think she had done much damage".

These days I have very little respect for the police as they appear to choose what to do based on personal feelings and convenience rather than a dispasionnate equal application to all. When I see 12 officetrs standing round to catch a few speeders on the A4 but they cannot spare someone for a serious assault you lose all respect. For whatever reason the prorities of policing are wrong and getting worse not better and on the rare occasions where they do appear to get a reasonable result they are let down by the courts. As far as Im concerned we need more Gene Hunts and to go back to when people were man enough to take responsibility for their actions if caught.

Rant over - no doubt I'll be nicked tonight for something.
rofl
That is your second one today, so you say you have been treated like a "criminal" and then say criminal are let off ? which one, can;t have it both ways.

When was this magical time when people where man enough to take responsibility, "during the waaaar" ?

No doubt you will get nicked for something, if you don;t will you tell us here ? that would then leaving you will a balanced final statement rather than a daily mail headline line grabbing bunch of bullst

Goodwin

165 posts

98 months

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Friday 17th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
That is your second one today, so you say you have been treated like a "criminal" and then say criminal are let off ? which one, can;t have it both ways.

When was this magical time when people where man enough to take responsibility, "during the waaaar" ?

No doubt you will get nicked for something, if you don;t will you tell us here ? that would then leaving you will a balanced final statement rather than a daily mail headline line grabbing bunch of bullst
I see no need for your personal attack; I have an opinion - I have stated my opinion, which you are free to disagree with. Why the need to make fun of me? I have not attacked you. I have attacked an organisation, a concept and a decline (from my opinion) in society and social responsibility. If you are only here to try to ridicule people with a different opinion, rather than enter into reasoable debate and offer a different perspective then please find another target.
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Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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Friday 17th June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
I see no need for your personal attack; I have an opinion - I have stated my opinion, which you are free to disagree with. Why the need to make fun of me? I have not attacked you. I have attacked an organisation, a concept and a decline (from my opinion) in society and social responsibility. If you are only here to try to ridicule people with a different opinion, rather than enter into reasoable debate and offer a different perspective then please find another target.
Again Goodwin it happened to be a coincidence that the two threads I read were last contributed to by you.

I found your opinion on the other thread to be silly and emotive without any basis on facts or real life. Here, the same, you said you were treated like a criminal, but in the same post said that actual criminals were "let off". So how exactly were you treated like that ? It is a oxymoronic comment as well as completely juxtaposed.

You said that you wished time was back when men took responsibility for their actions, this is a dream world, from time immemorial man/woman/beast and boy have tried to benefit themselves sometimes at the costs of others.

You final statement was childish and not a basis for a argument or opinion, if that is the type of debate you have then you are on to a loser without even starting. Again a emotive thing to say to help portray you poorly formed opinion.

I personally love the idea of the police, they have a hard job to do and are hamstrung by "systems". I hate them when they pull me over for speeding and wish they were doing "police work", but if I am honest it is my own defensiveness at being caught and being held accountable for my actions.

Sorry you feel "victimised" I am not singling you out, but I read two things that made me laugh out loud and wanted to put a comic brake on your "opinion". Hopefully this will help stop others reading it and feeling on the fence. to also spout such bks without knowing someone out there will take the piss for having such strong "personal opinions" based on "stories" and emotive nuanced statements.

I shall bow out scolded by you, the victor and bid adieu.

Edited by Tampon on Friday 17th June 19:10

Goodwin

165 posts

98 months

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Saturday 18th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
Again Goodwin it happened to be a coincidence that the two threads I read were last contributed to by you.

I found your opinion on the other thread to be silly and emotive without any basis on facts or real life. Here, the same, you said you were treated like a criminal, but in the same post said that actual criminals were "let off". So how exactly were you treated like that ? It is a oxymoronic comment as well as completely juxtaposed.

You said that you wished time was back when men took responsibility for their actions, this is a dream world, from time immemorial man/woman/beast and boy have tried to benefit themselves sometimes at the costs of others.

You final statement was childish and not a basis for a argument or opinion, if that is the type of debate you have then you are on to a loser without even starting. Again a emotive thing to say to help portray you poorly formed opinion.

I personally love the idea of the police, they have a hard job to do and are hamstrung by "systems". I hate them when they pull me over for speeding and wish they were doing "police work", but if I am honest it is my own defensiveness at being caught and being held accountable for my actions.

Sorry you feel "victimised" I am not singling you out, but I read two things that made me laugh out loud and wanted to put a comic brake on your "opinion". Hopefully this will help stop others reading it and feeling on the fence. to also spout such bks without knowing someone out there will take the piss for having such strong "personal opinions" based on "stories" and emotive nuanced statements.

I shall bow out scolded by you, the victor and bid adieu.

Edited by Tampon on Friday 17th June 19:10
Then allow me to reply.

Firstly my other post is based entirely in fact - but yes it may be emotive, the topic would expect people to be emotive. Secondly it is entirely possible to be treated as a criminal, inconvenienced, investigated and yet be let off. So I do not beleive these comments to be oxymoronic. One is about a feeling of inappropriate treatment regarding the circumstances, the second is an opinion of inadequate balance between crime and punishment. If you do not beleive that people should take responsibility for their actions the I beleive you are part of the problem, if however you admit something when caught then you are not. You are correct in that people have always sought an advantage, but as the world has got smaller (metaphorically), people have become more anonymous within their community an so the social pressure to "do the right thing" is far less prevalent than it used to be (as a general statement - I am sure people can provide opposing examples.)

You are welcome to beleive that I am childish but I disagree, my arguement is certainly not poorly formed. In fact in all my encounters with the police I have been in need 4 times, in trouble once. every time I have been in need I haev been let down. I was caught once. This makes a 20% success rate in my personal experience which is not acceptable.

I agree that we need a police force ( I actually do a lot of work with the NPIA these days), but the policing needs to be consistent, reasonable and proportionate; which I dont beleive it is. The job is difficult - partly for some of the social reasons I mention above and partly because of "the system". This does not change the fact that I have far less respect now that at any time in the past. I was trying to provide some basis for what would inevitably be a debateable statement. You appear to disagree and rather than enquiring or opposing my point choose ridicule; without knowing me, my circumstances, background or how I would react. Your reply would have been accepted more in fun if there had been a previous history of banter and discussion.

You may bow out but I have no need to feel victor or otherwise, rather to enter debate and find other opinions. My mind may be changed - to some extent, but not with you approach.

Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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Sunday 19th June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
Then allow me to reply.

Firstly my other post is based entirely in fact - but yes it may be emotive, the topic would expect people to be emotive. Secondly it is entirely possible to be treated as a criminal, inconvenienced, investigated and yet be let off. So I do not beleive these comments to be oxymoronic. One is about a feeling of inappropriate treatment regarding the circumstances, the second is an opinion of inadequate balance between crime and punishment. If you do not beleive that people should take responsibility for their actions the I beleive you are part of the problem, if however you admit something when caught then you are not. You are correct in that people have always sought an advantage, but as the world has got smaller (metaphorically), people have become more anonymous within their community an so the social pressure to "do the right thing" is far less prevalent than it used to be (as a general statement - I am sure people can provide opposing examples.)

You are welcome to beleive that I am childish but I disagree, my arguement is certainly not poorly formed. In fact in all my encounters with the police I have been in need 4 times, in trouble once. every time I have been in need I haev been let down. I was caught once. This makes a 20% success rate in my personal experience which is not acceptable.

I agree that we need a police force ( I actually do a lot of work with the NPIA these days), but the policing needs to be consistent, reasonable and proportionate; which I dont beleive it is. The job is difficult - partly for some of the social reasons I mention above and partly because of "the system". This does not change the fact that I have far less respect now that at any time in the past. I was trying to provide some basis for what would inevitably be a debateable statement. You appear to disagree and rather than enquiring or opposing my point choose ridicule; without knowing me, my circumstances, background or how I would react. Your reply would have been accepted more in fun if there had been a previous history of banter and discussion.

You may bow out but I have no need to feel victor or otherwise, rather to enter debate and find other opinions. My mind may be changed - to some extent, but not with you approach.
Again I feel your opinion is something I would be ashamed to wear, you don;t and are happy with it. Great.

I have no need to change your opinion, I feel it is based alot on you and your experiences which is never going to be balance or unbaised, I would therefore ask that you consider the language you use ie painting a picture that that is the way it is rather than your limited experienced view.

I would switch off in a pub if you spoke like you did here, and if you carried on I would take the piss, on both subject you feel you have been victimised and stalked by me.

I feel we could go round in circles, I know you aren;t going to change your opinion ( I wouldn;t want to ) I am sure you realise I am far far away from you line of thinking.


Goodwin

165 posts

98 months

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Sunday 19th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
Again I feel your opinion is something I would be ashamed to wear, you don;t and are happy with it. Great.
At least I have stated an opinion - all you have done is laughed at mine - you have not stated your position or provided any justification or beleif for holding that opinion.

Tampon said:
I feel it is based alot on you and your experiences which is never going to be balance or unbaised, I would therefore ask that you consider the language you use ie painting a picture that that is the way it is rather than your limited experienced view.
Everybody (yes everybody) derives their opinion based on personal experiences there is no other way; even other sources of information, however valid, are weighed based on personal history and experience. To suggest otherwise is naive and to suggest you are totally and completely unbiased and totally balanced is intrinsically flawed.

Tampon said:
I am sure you realise I am far far away from you line of thinking.
You disagree with me - but I am not convinced that you think. The concept of debate is that one posits an opinion, position or theory; backing it up with reason - be it personal experience, feeling or solid fact. To have a debate an someone with an opposing view needs to provide a counter opinion and provide reason and justification in a similar manner. So far you argument has amounted to "I don't agree with you so you are an idiot". You have provided no couter thesis, no alternative reason, fact or experience. Based on this lack of argument how do you claim to think - you have not actually stated one position or opinion counter to my argument.

My original post is summed up as:-
My respect for the police is less than it used to be.
My reason for this is based on personal experiences of which I shared key points, summing my total police experience to be a negative one (supporting my reduced respect).

If you are "Far Far away" then your respect for the police must be increasing daily and the sum total of your encounters must be positive. In which case I can understand you counter position, but why not state this and stand up like a man and be counted for your beliefs, rather than purile schoolyard name calling - and you call me childish.

Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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Sunday 19th June 2011 quote quote all
Goodwin said:
Lot of nice debating stuff
Goodwin, it is not a debate, I am not arguing your opinion which you offered freely on a internet forum, in your own style. I like a good debate, having just written a thesis on Plato's debates of Socrates. I am fully aware of a argument, how it is formed to make it valid or invalid, how to test, prove and counterclaim and how all of these thing don't make a argument sound.

What I did do was take the piss out of you, I find your opinion and especially the language used to convey it, laughable, I still do. It wouldn't form the basis of a debate anywhere, it would get shot to st in seconds. Your subsequent posts have shown a higher level of intelligence, and I am surprised the same person thought the original posts were something they wanted to represent them.

I try not to argue on the internet, one it won't change anything, two it is like winning gold in the special Olympics. You win but you're still a retard.

On that note, you win.

groovylee

65 posts

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Monday 20th June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
it is like winning gold in the special Olympics. You win but you're still a retard.
you owe me a new keyboard dude! smile

Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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groovylee said:
you owe me a new keyboard dude! smile
Sadly not mine, a stolen widely used analogy from the internet.

Goodwin

165 posts

98 months

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Tampon said:
What I did do was take the piss out of you...
....You win but you're still a retard.

On that note, you win.
As you are unwilling to share an iota of your opinion and just want to ridicule mine I think this should end here. Your sole input appears to be name calling and it is only a matter of time before Godwin's law applies. You find my opinion and language laughable? I find your behaviour execrable and your cowardice at not offering your own opinion up to the same scrutiny to be pitiable. You are obviously the better man at childish name calling and you must be really popular in the schoolyard. You win; and you have my pity.

Tampon

3,639 posts

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Goodwin said:
As you are unwilling to share an iota of your opinion and just want to ridicule mine I think this should end here. Your sole input appears to be name calling and it is only a matter of time before Godwin's law applies. You find my opinion and language laughable? I find your behaviour execrable and your cowardice at not offering your own opinion up to the same scrutiny to be pitiable. You are obviously the better man at childish name calling and you must be really popular in the schoolyard. You win; and you have my pity.
"don't argue with idiots" it is a popular saying.

Don't go offering you opinion so widely if you don't want to be commented on, you shall reap what you sow.

You may call me a coward I don't mind, I don't feel like one, especially not in this case, I stood up to silly "bar stool opinions", nt many do they just smile and nod and go away and tell people what a tosspot that guy is over there, but I am open to the possibility that I am. I shall not get defensive here, no need.

Thank you for your pity but I feel there are other much worthier than I. I am not sure why you think getting defensive and not being able to keep up with banter make me a child, but again I am happy for you to feel that, no harm done.

If I win that makes the retard I guess, do I get a lollipop ? Maybe that is too much of a choking hazard and might kill me dead/ get me arrested for being a pedophile ? probably knowing the country and the state it is in now......

Joking.

Goodwin

165 posts

98 months

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Tuesday 21st June 2011 quote quote all
Tampon said:
... I stood up to silly "bar stool opinions", nt many do they just smile and nod ....

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This is the whole crux of the problem in this phrase here. You call my opinion silly and intimate that other would feel the same and yet you provide no counter. Please let me provide an example (albeit black and white):-

Option A) I am right in my opinion - many people feel the same way. You behavior is rude, you know it, and are unwilling to accept correction from peers which is why your whole contribution is name calling and nothing of substance.

Option B) You are right - my opinion is wrong. I have several times asked for your opinion but all I get is further name calling. How am I supposed to understand the social dynamic, realise my errors and receive guidance from peers when you will not provide them. I am not closed minded, in fact quite the opposite, but you seem extremely reticent to offer anything.

idea On second thoughts, perhaps your world is like Fight Club. The first rule of Tampon Club is you neverstand for anything.

Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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Goodwin said:
This is the whole crux of the problem in this phrase here. You call my opinion silly and intimate that other would feel the same and yet you provide no counter. Please let me provide an example (albeit black and white):-

Option A) I am right in my opinion - many people feel the same way. You behavior is rude, you know it, and are unwilling to accept correction from peers which is why your whole contribution is name calling and nothing of substance.

Option B) You are right - my opinion is wrong. I have several times asked for your opinion but all I get is further name calling. How am I supposed to understand the social dynamic, realise my errors and receive guidance from peers when you will not provide them. I am not closed minded, in fact quite the opposite, but you seem extremely reticent to offer anything.

idea On second thoughts, perhaps your world is like Fight Club. The first rule of Tampon Club is you neverstand for anything.
Yeap.

To it all.

I look the fool.

I must try harder to change people on the internet. Goodwin was looking for guidance on a motoring forum when he said that Labradors should be considered a danger to children as they could kill a 4 year old dead one just one ninja bite, or at the very least knock them over and give them brain damage, when he said he would probably get arrested that night ( did you ? didn't think so ) when he wished time was back when a man took responsibility for his actions ( never actually clarified when this time was ), who evoked the spirit of a bent fictional police character from a television programme ( ffs ! ) I was not able to give it to him. I must go back to Jedi school.


I am actually half tempted to go over your original posts and show you but they were silly in the first place but it only gives them credence, which they don;t deserve.

shout IT IS NOT THE BASIS FOR A ARGUEMNET OR DEBATE. You want a made up character to police the street of the real world ! Maybe my counter arguement or opinion should be that I would rather have Batman guard us whilst we sleep so we can debate on the same level.

Your making out like you wrote some new thesis on policing in the modern age, you didn't it was drivel and not worthly of serious discussion, ridicule yes, analysis definitely not.

Not being given my opinion ? well you kind of have done as I posted earlier, difference being no one read what I put and decided to rip the piss out of me. Maybe my thoughts that I penned on a forum were slightly more considered and less, how do I put this, rose tinted, lowest fear denominated, phony hovis advert heart string twanging, non contradictory, out of the realms of reality, stuck in 70's tv cop show, paint the lowest chance situation as the basis for worry or argument on the basis that it "could" happen.

Maybe that was why, but still Goodwin, just because i don't capitulate to what you demand doesn't make you right buddy, just means your being ignored. Maybe that what your finding hard to deal with ? Hard to judge a man when you have nothing to go on, if you don't like the judgement, be careful what you say.

Better to be thought a idiot than open your mouth and prove it, right now you think I am a idiot, you opened your mouth.........

Goodwin

165 posts

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Tampon said:
Hard to judge a man when you have nothing to go on, if you don't like the judgement, be careful what you say.

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I think the past few days have given me plenty to form a judgement about you. You are now unable to separate one arguement from another. Fare thee well, enjoy your life, go sit in your rugby club/pub and bh about everything, but never do a thing to change anything. Enjoy, have fun. I'm sure you'll be very happy telling everyone how you took the p**s out of "this bloke on the internet who thought different to me", and they'll all laugh and buy you beer and make you feel wanted.

Tampon

3,639 posts

110 months

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Goodwin said:
I think the past few days have given me plenty to form a judgement about you. You are now unable to separate one arguement from another. Fare thee well, enjoy your life, go sit in your rugby club/pub and bh about everything, but never do a thing to change anything. Enjoy, have fun. I'm sure you'll be very happy telling everyone how you took the p**s out of "this bloke on the internet who thought different to me", and they'll all laugh and buy you beer and make you feel wanted.
woohoo

I can tell the difference between the two, I found you hilarious because of you outrageous thoughts on two different subjects, brought it all together to try and get you to pipe down about making out you had the debating prose of The Laches when in actually fact you spoke bks.

I wasn't the one bhing fella, you were. I am a happy go lucky joker. Generally tend to not bh about things around me as I worry about coming across like you, self opinionated cliched bore.

Your judgement on me would be on you feeling defensive on me pulling you up, again probably not exactly a sound basis to start from but don't let that stop you, I don't mind

Good luck with recreating Ashes to Ashes to defeat the wild pack of dogs that "hunted" you and the GF through the Italian woodland rofl Maybe try and find Wolverine to help heal all the children with brain damage from the "wild animals" that all pet dogs are. Seriously I am laughing again writing just some of the crap you have said and tried to make out as valid points.

If you take anything away from this onesided exchange ( I will leave it to you which side wink ) remember "self opinion is the best opinion in a world of one"

Tampon

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P.S. first rule of Fight club is you don't talk about Fight Club.

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