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XCP
10,499 posts
97 months
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davidball said: I think the best way is through a civil prosecution of the individual officer.
Thank you for the info about the Menezes case. I will run a search on it to see if the thread produced any answers to such questions as:
Why was the unlawful killing finding prohibited by the coroner?
Why were the findings of Stockwell 1 initially kept secret?
Why was no officer charged?
Are those officers still allowed to carry guns? Good luck with that. In relation to the civil case business, who is going to do the evidence gathering, interviews etc?
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Elroy Blue
5,682 posts
61 months
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davidball said: Why was the unlawful killing finding prohibited by the coroner?
Why were the findings of Stockwell 1 initially kept secret?
Why was no officer charged?
Are those officers still allowed to carry guns? The most important question, that you, forgot to ask is: Did the Officers, who were under the honestly held belief they were approaching a suicide bomber (immediately after other suicide bombings) receive any bravery awards for running TOWARDS danger. Without thoughts for their own safety, they put themselves at risk in order to save others. But I suppose it's easier to be a brave keyboard warrior, who faces no more danger than spilling his hot latte (or other trendy beverage).
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AJS-
10,017 posts
105 months
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Elroy Blue said: The most important question, that you, forgot to ask is:
Did the Officers, who were under the honestly held belief they were approaching a suicide bomber (immediately after other suicide bombings) receive any bravery awards for running TOWARDS danger. Without thoughts for their own safety, they put themselves at risk in order to save others.
But I suppose it's easier to be a brave keyboard warrior, who faces no more danger than spilling his hot latte (or other trendy beverage). Given the outcome, would you honestly say they should receive such an award? If I ever clump a trespasser over the head and kill him, thinking he might be a threat, I hope you're the officer that comes around to present me with my bravery award.
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davidball
294 posts
71 months
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Elroy Blue said: The most important question, that you, forgot to ask is:
Did the Officers, who were under the honestly held belief they were approaching a suicide bomber (immediately after other suicide bombings) receive any bravery awards for running TOWARDS danger. Without thoughts for their own safety, they put themselves at risk in order to save others.
But I suppose it's easier to be a brave keyboard warrior, who faces no more danger than spilling his hot latte (or other trendy beverage). The question I did not ask was: What was the real terrorist doing while the wrong man was being followed? Your apologetic attempt to justify an execution by firing squad without the inconvenience of a trial is as pitiful as the incompetent attempt at the cover-up that followed.
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Elroy Blue
5,682 posts
61 months
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AJS- said: Given the outcome, would you honestly say they should receive such an award?
If I ever clump a trespasser over the head and kill him, thinking he might be a threat, I hope you're the officer that comes around to present me with my bravery award. So you think that a trespasser is the same as approaching a suicide bomber? Straight after other suicide bombings. Strange comparison. There were failings in command and control that day. The men on the ground were nothing short of outstandingly brave and those that sit behind keyboards being outraged, while enjoying their freedom to type what rubbish they like have nothing but my utter contempt.
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AJS-
10,017 posts
105 months
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Elroy Blue said: So you think that a trespasser is the same as approaching a suicide bomber? Straight after other suicide bombings. Strange comparison.
There were failings in command and control that day. The men on the ground were nothing short of outstandingly brave and those that sit behind keyboards being outraged, while enjoying their freedom to type what rubbish they like have nothing but my utter contempt. But he wasn't a suicide bomber, he was an electrician. And he was shot dead due to those failings on that day. Why the hell shouldn't people be outraged by that? Brave in my book would have been approaching him in the open before he got to the tube station and searching him under the guise of a routine check for drugs or knives etc. This would have quickly and easily solved the problem, with far less danger to the public than tackling a suicide bomber on a train, and without ending up killing someone innocent.
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davidball
294 posts
71 months
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Failure of command and control!
It was a monumental cock-up that led to the death of an innocent man compounded by the most shameful attempt at a whitewash. Both deserve utter contempt as do those who seek to justify it.
Quite apart from the tragedy itself it dimished the reputation of British justice
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SPS
723 posts
129 months
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[quote=Jenx (V6GTO)]One thing I'd like to say, to Dibble and and his colleagues, is "Thank you for being there...for performing an often dangerous service that benefit everyone[/b]" (and PH would be a much poorer place without you)
Martin.
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+1
I still have a LOT of respect for the boys and girls in BLUE. I have found that if you treat them with respect you get it back - it's really that simples. They have a VERY HARD and DANGEROUS job and I for one am glad that we have the police force that we do warts and all.
Just think of the alternative with out them!
Keep up the good work guys.
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fatboy18
8,535 posts
80 months
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Yes, Happy Christmas Boys and Girls, I hope you all have a safe and peaceful one 
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The Crack Fox
8,088 posts
61 months
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SPS said: +1
I still have a LOT of respect for the boys and girls in BLUE. I have found that if you treat them with respect you get it back - it's really that simples. They have a VERY HARD and DANGEROUS job and I for one am glad that we have the police force that we do warts and all.
Just think of the alternative with out them!
Keep up the good work guys. +1 
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Gwagon111
3,380 posts
30 months
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fatboy18 said: Yes, Happy Christmas Boys and Girls, I hope you all have a safe and peaceful one Have you ventured out into a town or city during the 'festive' season?
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fatboy18
8,535 posts
80 months
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No, THANK GOD, Im not that stupid  In my post I did say 'HOPE' 
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Gwagon111
3,380 posts
30 months
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fatboy18 said: No, THANK GOD, Im not that stupid In my post I did say 'HOPE' Fair enough 
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Stedman
4,868 posts
61 months
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Only just seen the OP.
What an excellent post.
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NailedOn
1,241 posts
104 months
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The Crack Fox said: SPS said: +1
I still have a LOT of respect for the boys and girls in BLUE. I have found that if you treat them with respect you get it back - it's really that simples. They have a VERY HARD and DANGEROUS job and I for one am glad that we have the police force that we do warts and all.
Just think of the alternative with out them!
Keep up the good work guys. +1 +2 But please stop fitting people up and lying. -- This goes for the PO Fed too. --- You know you did, so stop it. Happy Christmas one and all.
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Munter
23,711 posts
110 months
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NailedOn said: Happy Christ drunkenfightsanddomesticargumentsmas one and all.
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