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Nice one Dibble, wise words.
For all to note, I very much agree with this bit:
If you have a particular complaint against a particular officer who has dealt with you, then complain through the correct channels – their direct supervisor, the Force’s complaints department or the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
Just DO NOT write to the Chief Constable. They'll only send it to PSD anyway.
For all to note, I very much agree with this bit:
If you have a particular complaint against a particular officer who has dealt with you, then complain through the correct channels – their direct supervisor, the Force’s complaints department or the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
Just DO NOT write to the Chief Constable. They'll only send it to PSD anyway.
A very good post I think, and I personally am one who thinks that the hierachy have lost their way within the Police force(s) generally (and other 'forces' too). An example of this is the recent article of the speeding trap/camera disguised as a Horse Box.
All policies/strategies are enforced by the employee's and staff etc, I just wish that on the odd occasion that common sense prevailed, and not to mis-employ valuable resources etc.
All policies/strategies are enforced by the employee's and staff etc, I just wish that on the odd occasion that common sense prevailed, and not to mis-employ valuable resources etc.
Dibble said:
julianc said:
Would you and all the other BiB please carry on posting! 
Julian
I certainly shall for the foreseaable future.Julian
elswhere Dibble may also have said:
11 1/2 years in a largeish provincial force.
Done uniformed response, tutoring probationers, traffic, and currently on CID.
Never had a day off sick since I joined. I have been shouted/sworn at, pushed, slapped, punched, kicked, bitten, bled and vomited on.
I have been threatened with a variety of knives, syringes, various "sporting" items and firearms (imitation or not, I don't know. I didn't hang around).
I have had people try to run me over, been petrol bombed, rammed by vehicles and had domestic appliances from AAA batteries, through TVs and sofas, up to a side by side fridge freezer thrown/dropped on/near me.
I have saved people's lives, and held the hands of the dying. I have knocked on too many doors at 2.00am in the morning to deliver a "stiffogram".
This is neither a conclusive list, or exclusive to me. This is what Police Officers regularly experience on a day to day basis, which is why we often get pissed off when someone has a go with a keyboard, when we're trying to relax.
Done uniformed response, tutoring probationers, traffic, and currently on CID.
Never had a day off sick since I joined. I have been shouted/sworn at, pushed, slapped, punched, kicked, bitten, bled and vomited on.
I have been threatened with a variety of knives, syringes, various "sporting" items and firearms (imitation or not, I don't know. I didn't hang around).
I have had people try to run me over, been petrol bombed, rammed by vehicles and had domestic appliances from AAA batteries, through TVs and sofas, up to a side by side fridge freezer thrown/dropped on/near me.
I have saved people's lives, and held the hands of the dying. I have knocked on too many doors at 2.00am in the morning to deliver a "stiffogram".
This is neither a conclusive list, or exclusive to me. This is what Police Officers regularly experience on a day to day basis, which is why we often get pissed off when someone has a go with a keyboard, when we're trying to relax.
I'm not sure I've ever posted in this particular section before, the Elise part of the Lotus section being my normal PH home.
I'm always pleased to read the input of the Bib both on PH and the other Lotus forum I frequent (Seloc) where we have several resident BiB.
I have genuine respect for the job done by our uniformed friends and agree with the comments that in general the police force is made up of honest, hard workers of great personal integrity. There will always be the odd bad'un but I believe that other BiB don't have any time for them these days.
Fortunately my meetings with the law have been very few, in fact being pulled for speeding (at a rather stupid speed) just before Christmas 2006 was the last time and that the first for nearly 20 years! Having received a well deserved b
king and following a chat and a very enlightening look at the video he'd made of me (nowt wrong with my driving other than my sheer speed) during which the copper was polite and willing to listen to me he offered me 3 pts and £60 or going to court. I don't think he's ever had his hand bitten off quicker! More importantly, I've realised the dangers of high speed differentials and now 'keep it down a bit'.
Good coppering: As he said he couldn't really let it go completely but I didn't resent the fine and points and I've heeded his message and keep the playing for the track.
I'm always pleased to read the input of the Bib both on PH and the other Lotus forum I frequent (Seloc) where we have several resident BiB.
I have genuine respect for the job done by our uniformed friends and agree with the comments that in general the police force is made up of honest, hard workers of great personal integrity. There will always be the odd bad'un but I believe that other BiB don't have any time for them these days.
Fortunately my meetings with the law have been very few, in fact being pulled for speeding (at a rather stupid speed) just before Christmas 2006 was the last time and that the first for nearly 20 years! Having received a well deserved b
king and following a chat and a very enlightening look at the video he'd made of me (nowt wrong with my driving other than my sheer speed) during which the copper was polite and willing to listen to me he offered me 3 pts and £60 or going to court. I don't think he's ever had his hand bitten off quicker! More importantly, I've realised the dangers of high speed differentials and now 'keep it down a bit'.Good coppering: As he said he couldn't really let it go completely but I didn't resent the fine and points and I've heeded his message and keep the playing for the track.
Thanks Dibs, good points - all the BiB make a good healthy contribution in what can be a minefield of personal opinions and dispute, but seeing things from the other side to the non-concerned is always of interest.
Hope you went for the interview 'without coffee and biccies' with a yellow pages down the back of your trousers!
Hope you went for the interview 'without coffee and biccies' with a yellow pages down the back of your trousers!
Ah yes, the old conscience playing up.
Just like an old soldier. Regret all those inocents that you had to kill (fine for speeding).
Even professional coppers (not traffic) don't like the traffic cops.
Truth is traffic cops in this country are a dissgrance to the force and do a lot to damage the reputation of our usually excellent police force.
Just like an old soldier. Regret all those inocents that you had to kill (fine for speeding).
Even professional coppers (not traffic) don't like the traffic cops.
Truth is traffic cops in this country are a dissgrance to the force and do a lot to damage the reputation of our usually excellent police force.
OK I will thank for listening and the opportunity to explain what I mean.
Motorist are being violated by government, police and local councils. Speeding and some motorists (sports cars, fast motorbikes etc) are effectively being criminalised in the hearts and minds of the public and influencers.
Since the majority of traffic police and other so called guardian of society are told what to think they cannot make independent judgements, but blindly follow policy often hiding behind it “ie: it’s the law”.
Traffic police treat motorist not as customers with a level of service to match, but as moronic villains with a care free and callous attitude to public safety. Speed does not kill, dangerous driving kills.
Professional officers on the other hand (CID, Drugs, etc, etc) couldn’t care less about a motorist doing 33 in 30 zone, they’re much more interested in putting a dividing line between law abiding citizens and the real villains in society – thank goodness. I know quite a few professional coppers and they’re opinion of traffic police if even less polite.
I could go on but that’s probably enough to outline my opinions. As I said taffic officer bleating about how the law made them do it is complete nonsense and should be treated with the contempt is deserves. Forgiveness – no thanks ! Choose another career.
Motorist are being violated by government, police and local councils. Speeding and some motorists (sports cars, fast motorbikes etc) are effectively being criminalised in the hearts and minds of the public and influencers.
Since the majority of traffic police and other so called guardian of society are told what to think they cannot make independent judgements, but blindly follow policy often hiding behind it “ie: it’s the law”.
Traffic police treat motorist not as customers with a level of service to match, but as moronic villains with a care free and callous attitude to public safety. Speed does not kill, dangerous driving kills.
Professional officers on the other hand (CID, Drugs, etc, etc) couldn’t care less about a motorist doing 33 in 30 zone, they’re much more interested in putting a dividing line between law abiding citizens and the real villains in society – thank goodness. I know quite a few professional coppers and they’re opinion of traffic police if even less polite.
I could go on but that’s probably enough to outline my opinions. As I said taffic officer bleating about how the law made them do it is complete nonsense and should be treated with the contempt is deserves. Forgiveness – no thanks ! Choose another career.
The Tuscan Rat said:
Welcome to Piston Heads, I'm a Traffic Cop and a very good one at that might I add.
Take a while and look around this site you will find quite a few of us on here. Not preaching but giving out decent advice. None of us will tell you speed kills because it does not. Inappropriate speed kills. If speed kills I would have died at birth, My Mum tells me I was a speedy delivery.
Now take a step backward, think about your very sweeping statement and then come back to me with some hard evidence about why ALL Traffic officers are so bad.
Before you start hurling abuse remember the rules of posting, as it’s a Traffic Cop that moderates this Forum…
Don't forget, driving too fast on cold tyres kills too Take a while and look around this site you will find quite a few of us on here. Not preaching but giving out decent advice. None of us will tell you speed kills because it does not. Inappropriate speed kills. If speed kills I would have died at birth, My Mum tells me I was a speedy delivery.
Now take a step backward, think about your very sweeping statement and then come back to me with some hard evidence about why ALL Traffic officers are so bad.
Before you start hurling abuse remember the rules of posting, as it’s a Traffic Cop that moderates this Forum…
King of Dings said:
OK I will thank for listening and the opportunity to explain what I mean.
Motorist are being violated by government, police and local councils. Speeding and some motorists (sports cars, fast motorbikes etc) are effectively being criminalised in the hearts and minds of the public and influencers.
Since the majority of traffic police and other so called guardian of society are told what to think they cannot make independent judgements, but blindly follow policy often hiding behind it “ie: it’s the law”.
Traffic police treat motorist not as customers with a level of service to match, but as moronic villains with a care free and callous attitude to public safety. Speed does not kill, dangerous driving kills.
Professional officers on the other hand (CID, Drugs, etc, etc) couldn’t care less about a motorist doing 33 in 30 zone, they’re much more interested in putting a dividing line between law abiding citizens and the real villains in society – thank goodness. I know quite a few professional coppers and they’re opinion of traffic police if even less polite.
I could go on but that’s probably enough to outline my opinions. As I said taffic officer bleating about how the law made them do it is complete nonsense and should be treated with the contempt is deserves. Forgiveness – no thanks ! Choose another career.
Wow what an informed view you have... Motorist are being violated by government, police and local councils. Speeding and some motorists (sports cars, fast motorbikes etc) are effectively being criminalised in the hearts and minds of the public and influencers.
Since the majority of traffic police and other so called guardian of society are told what to think they cannot make independent judgements, but blindly follow policy often hiding behind it “ie: it’s the law”.
Traffic police treat motorist not as customers with a level of service to match, but as moronic villains with a care free and callous attitude to public safety. Speed does not kill, dangerous driving kills.
Professional officers on the other hand (CID, Drugs, etc, etc) couldn’t care less about a motorist doing 33 in 30 zone, they’re much more interested in putting a dividing line between law abiding citizens and the real villains in society – thank goodness. I know quite a few professional coppers and they’re opinion of traffic police if even less polite.
I could go on but that’s probably enough to outline my opinions. As I said taffic officer bleating about how the law made them do it is complete nonsense and should be treated with the contempt is deserves. Forgiveness – no thanks ! Choose another career.
Very few traffic officers deal with speeding, if they do it will be for more than 34 in a 30. I know more officers than you and they all have a low opinion of any dept they are not in. I have a very low opinion of cid (pavement shy office dwellers) but if I go into that dept I will no doubt have a low opinion of the 'wooden tops'. There is a lot of inter departmental rivalry and banter, thats why traffic officers are called 'snakes' or 'black rats'. However I know a lot of very good traffic officers and am aware of many who have saved lives caught violent criminals and been killed trying to arrest criminals. Traffic officers focus on driving standards and the condition of vehicles and will deal with speed as and when. I have never seen any officer deal with someone as they were ordered too and blame that for their actions. I deal with what i deal with based on the circumstance the manner of driving and the location and likely impact upon others. The basic view I have is that the majority of drivers I see on the road display low skills, all think they are better drivers than they are and seem unable to go a day without a near miss. Thats why i believe in enforcement of traffic laws.
King of Dings said:
Traffic police treat motorist not as customers with a level of service to match, but as moronic villains with a care free and callous attitude to public safety. Speed does not kill, dangerous driving kills.
Professional officers on the other hand (CID, Drugs, etc, etc) couldn’t care less about a motorist doing 33 in 30 zone, they’re much more interested in putting a dividing line between law abiding citizens and the real villains in society – thank goodness. I know quite a few professional coppers and they’re opinion of traffic police if even less polite.
I could go on but that’s probably enough to outline my opinions. As I said taffic officer bleating about how the law made them do it is complete nonsense and should be treated with the contempt is deserves. Forgiveness – no thanks ! Choose another career.
1)Traffic cops I have delt with have been a mirror of my attitude towards them. Polite and friendly.Professional officers on the other hand (CID, Drugs, etc, etc) couldn’t care less about a motorist doing 33 in 30 zone, they’re much more interested in putting a dividing line between law abiding citizens and the real villains in society – thank goodness. I know quite a few professional coppers and they’re opinion of traffic police if even less polite.
I could go on but that’s probably enough to outline my opinions. As I said taffic officer bleating about how the law made them do it is complete nonsense and should be treated with the contempt is deserves. Forgiveness – no thanks ! Choose another career.
2)CID might not uphold the speed laws of the road. But traffic cops will (as I understand it) get involved if they see evidence of any crime being commited (be that theft/Drugs/Assult/Public Order etc). Which one offers better value for money?
3)If you dont like the law the police uphold, it's not the police that should be changed, but the law. So stop complaining on the internet and start campaining for better laws.
edit:because poxy bluetooth keyoards drop letters
Edited by Munter on Wednesday 2nd April 11:36
Firstly, I am not against policing or enforcement. I support policing and dedicated police officers that show professionalism and politeness in their daily activities.
I have always been polite and helpful to officers of any kind, a gesture not always returned I might add.
Some of your replies define exactly, my point. Traffic Officers (particularly) but other uniformed officers too, forget that they are ‘in public service’
I’ll say that again in case it was over-read “in public service’. The attitude of most Traffic Offers (particularly) to the public and customer service is offensive and disscourteous, bordering on the arrogant and juvenile. Of, course I am generalising and there are some exceptions.
By way of comparison look at most other UK Traffic Officers and compare those to a truly great police force: The Metropolitan Police in the City of London. This is a example of a great police force using judgement skills and tact to police difficult areas under enormous threat (terrorism).
I’ve had the opportunity to meet a number of senior Met officers and they are a credit to their force and our UK institutions.
'HRG' I am going to ignore your comment about police officers moderating this forum. I cannot beleive that even here there is a need for some 'officers' to 'police' and control what is objective 'polite' debate about a serious subject.
I have always been polite and helpful to officers of any kind, a gesture not always returned I might add.
Some of your replies define exactly, my point. Traffic Officers (particularly) but other uniformed officers too, forget that they are ‘in public service’
I’ll say that again in case it was over-read “in public service’. The attitude of most Traffic Offers (particularly) to the public and customer service is offensive and disscourteous, bordering on the arrogant and juvenile. Of, course I am generalising and there are some exceptions.
By way of comparison look at most other UK Traffic Officers and compare those to a truly great police force: The Metropolitan Police in the City of London. This is a example of a great police force using judgement skills and tact to police difficult areas under enormous threat (terrorism).
I’ve had the opportunity to meet a number of senior Met officers and they are a credit to their force and our UK institutions.
'HRG' I am going to ignore your comment about police officers moderating this forum. I cannot beleive that even here there is a need for some 'officers' to 'police' and control what is objective 'polite' debate about a serious subject.
Hi all, I've been a long time lurker, but never actually got around to joining. However, as a Traffic Officer covering an extensive motorway network, I've felt compelled to join by the comments of 'King of Dings'
I've never laughed so much in my life. I've not always been in Traffic. I've done Response, CID, ARV amongst other things. As a motorway officer, I've never arrested more criminals than I do now. Guess what fella...criminals use cars...and they then use motorways to get to/from the scene of their crimes. I'm sure all the victims of car key burglaries, whose cars we recover, would dispute your views. All the metal thieves who've stolen a couple of hundred grand worth of lead/copper. The drug dealers/murderers/terrorists and all round nasties who get arrested on the M/way. In fact, I'm surprised I have time to give out the odd speeding ticket. But I make no apologies for issuing them. Motorists in my area get a significant leeway over the limit before they're stopped. They're also given time to see us before they're pulled. So, if someones observation skills are so poor that they can't spot a fully marked Volvo, following them for a good few miles at 100mph, they deserve a ticket. (I won't give the usual comments on having to deal with road death/act as Family liaison Officers etc etc. You simply couldn't understand what the words mean)
Should I ever get down that way, I'll be sure to pass on your regards to those wonderful Met Officers. I'm sure it'll make all the difference. (Although should I pass them on to Met Traffic Officers, or are they in a sort of 'half-way' house.
)
Have a nice day now!!
I've never laughed so much in my life. I've not always been in Traffic. I've done Response, CID, ARV amongst other things. As a motorway officer, I've never arrested more criminals than I do now. Guess what fella...criminals use cars...and they then use motorways to get to/from the scene of their crimes. I'm sure all the victims of car key burglaries, whose cars we recover, would dispute your views. All the metal thieves who've stolen a couple of hundred grand worth of lead/copper. The drug dealers/murderers/terrorists and all round nasties who get arrested on the M/way. In fact, I'm surprised I have time to give out the odd speeding ticket. But I make no apologies for issuing them. Motorists in my area get a significant leeway over the limit before they're stopped. They're also given time to see us before they're pulled. So, if someones observation skills are so poor that they can't spot a fully marked Volvo, following them for a good few miles at 100mph, they deserve a ticket. (I won't give the usual comments on having to deal with road death/act as Family liaison Officers etc etc. You simply couldn't understand what the words mean)
Should I ever get down that way, I'll be sure to pass on your regards to those wonderful Met Officers. I'm sure it'll make all the difference. (Although should I pass them on to Met Traffic Officers, or are they in a sort of 'half-way' house.
)Have a nice day now!!
Edited by Battenburg Bob on Thursday 3rd April 19:05
Edited by Battenburg Bob on Thursday 3rd April 19:07
Battenburg Bob said:
Hi all, I've been a long time lurker, but never actually got around to joining. However, as a Traffic Officer covering an extensive motorway network, I've felt compelled to join by the comments of 'King of Dings'
I've never laughed so much in my life. I've not always been in Traffic. I've done Response, CID, ARV amongst other things. As a motorway officer, I've never arrested more criminals than I do now. Guess what fella...criminals use cars...and they then use motorways to get to/from the scene of their crimes. I'm sure all the victims of car key burglaries, whose cars we recover, would dispute your views. All the metal thieves who've stolen a couple of hundred grand worth of lead/copper. The drug dealers/murderers/terrorists and all round nasties who get arrested on the M/way. In fact, I'm surprised I have time to give out the odd speeding ticket. But I make no apologies for issuing them. Motorists in my area get a significant leeway over the limit before they're stopped. They're also given time to see us before they're pulled. So, if someones observation skills are so poor that they can't spot a fully marked Volvo, following them for a good few miles at 100mph, they deserve a ticket. (I won't give the usual comments on having to deal with road death/act as Family liaison Officers etc etc. You simply couldn't understand what the words mean)
Should I ever get down that way, I'll be sure to pass on your regards to those wonderful Met Officers. I'm sure it'll make all the difference. (Although should I pass them on to Met Traffic Officers, or are they in a sort of 'half-way' house. )
Have a nice day now!!
Ohh. Nice 1st post. And welcome to the party! I've never laughed so much in my life. I've not always been in Traffic. I've done Response, CID, ARV amongst other things. As a motorway officer, I've never arrested more criminals than I do now. Guess what fella...criminals use cars...and they then use motorways to get to/from the scene of their crimes. I'm sure all the victims of car key burglaries, whose cars we recover, would dispute your views. All the metal thieves who've stolen a couple of hundred grand worth of lead/copper. The drug dealers/murderers/terrorists and all round nasties who get arrested on the M/way. In fact, I'm surprised I have time to give out the odd speeding ticket. But I make no apologies for issuing them. Motorists in my area get a significant leeway over the limit before they're stopped. They're also given time to see us before they're pulled. So, if someones observation skills are so poor that they can't spot a fully marked Volvo, following them for a good few miles at 100mph, they deserve a ticket. (I won't give the usual comments on having to deal with road death/act as Family liaison Officers etc etc. You simply couldn't understand what the words mean)
Should I ever get down that way, I'll be sure to pass on your regards to those wonderful Met Officers. I'm sure it'll make all the difference. (Although should I pass them on to Met Traffic Officers, or are they in a sort of 'half-way' house.
)Have a nice day now!!
Edited by Battenburg Bob on Thursday 3rd April 19:05
Edited by Battenburg Bob on Thursday 3rd April 19:07
I am wondering why the King of Dings has had so much 'angry' interaction with the police.
Could it possibly be he's one of the people like Ian Wright's chat on top gear. Driving badly in an untaxed, uninsured car, and wondering why the police pay him so much attention. (Ok that might well be an exaggeration but you get the idea)
King of Dings said:
By way of comparison look at most other UK Traffic Officers and compare those to a truly great police force: The Metropolitan Police in the City of London. This is a example of a great police force using judgement skills and tact to police difficult areas under enormous threat (terrorism).
I always thought they were 2 seperate forces? 
bmwdrivernigel said:
King of Dings said:
By way of comparison look at most other UK Traffic Officers and compare those to a truly great police force: The Metropolitan Police in the City of London. This is a example of a great police force using judgement skills and tact to police difficult areas under enormous threat (terrorism).
I always thought they were 2 seperate forces? And if so, do they become rude and incompetent once they have left the Met area?
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