Road Closed signs - are they enforcable!
Discussion
I have had to put road closures in place, sometimes they are to protect the workforce, noisy machinery and if wearing ear protectors you do not hear cars approaching, a JCB driver could swing the bucket and possibly damage your car. What if there is an excavated trench across the road to install a drain? Do you sue the council for the damage- no chance.
Having said that we always made sure emergency services were warned about road closures well in advance but in an emergency we would do our best to get them through as quickly as possible.
Two sides to every story? Now retired and a road user so I do see both sides of the arguement though
Having said that we always made sure emergency services were warned about road closures well in advance but in an emergency we would do our best to get them through as quickly as possible.
Two sides to every story? Now retired and a road user so I do see both sides of the arguement though
Solocle said:
The real answer is to check the wording of the TTRO.
Yes, For a Road Closed sign to be "enforceable" there must be a TTRO.And that is not always the case.
For example, Rufford Ford; if you take a Google look at some of the signs that have been used: all of them have been put up at different times.
Road Ahead closed.
Road Closed.
Road Closed Access Only.
I always ignore these road closed signs, sorry but I do.
Way too many overly cautious muppets shutting roads for no good reason.
I'd say 90% of the time I do this in the car, it's never been a problem getting through.
I'd say 100% on the motorbikes, it's never been a problem getting through.
The odd time it is a problem in the car, I turn around and come back, and go another way.
The problem isn't in the people that ignore the signs, the problem is in the people that put the signs up for no good reason and thus 'cry wolf'.
Obviously you have to use your brain, if it's closed for a cycle race, or a marathon or something, you wouldn't do it.
The amount of quiet country roads that I'm certain the local complainers have got hold of one of these signs for is a problem to reduce traffic on Sundays.
See also riding motorbikes off road, public rights of way with signs up saying you aren't allowed to ride there, when you absolutely are.
I really think as humans we should stop assuming someone has authority over us and/or knows more than what we can see with our own eyeballs.
Way too many overly cautious muppets shutting roads for no good reason.
I'd say 90% of the time I do this in the car, it's never been a problem getting through.
I'd say 100% on the motorbikes, it's never been a problem getting through.
The odd time it is a problem in the car, I turn around and come back, and go another way.
The problem isn't in the people that ignore the signs, the problem is in the people that put the signs up for no good reason and thus 'cry wolf'.
Obviously you have to use your brain, if it's closed for a cycle race, or a marathon or something, you wouldn't do it.
The amount of quiet country roads that I'm certain the local complainers have got hold of one of these signs for is a problem to reduce traffic on Sundays.
See also riding motorbikes off road, public rights of way with signs up saying you aren't allowed to ride there, when you absolutely are.
I really think as humans we should stop assuming someone has authority over us and/or knows more than what we can see with our own eyeballs.
Peter911 said:
By me there is a road closed sign. Two weeks ago they were doing a bit of work in the verge,
This week the road closed sign was still there, but the work was finished and all barriers etc gone.
The Road Closure Order is time limited and so when it has expired the sign has no authority.This week the road closed sign was still there, but the work was finished and all barriers etc gone.
The Selfish Gene said:
I always ignore these road closed signs, sorry but I do.
Way too many overly cautious muppets shutting roads for no good reason.
I'd say 90% of the time I do this in the car, it's never been a problem getting through.
I'd say 100% on the motorbikes, it's never been a problem getting through.
The odd time it is a problem in the car, I turn around and come back, and go another way.
The problem isn't in the people that ignore the signs, the problem is in the people that put the signs up for no good reason and thus 'cry wolf'.
Obviously you have to use your brain, if it's closed for a cycle race, or a marathon or something, you wouldn't do it.
The amount of quiet country roads that I'm certain the local complainers have got hold of one of these signs for is a problem to reduce traffic on Sundays.
See also riding motorbikes off road, public rights of way with signs up saying you aren't allowed to ride there, when you absolutely are.
I really think as humans we should stop assuming someone has authority over us and/or knows more than what we can see with our own eyeballs.
I go through them a lot on a bicycle. The only time it was remotely problematic was when the A1307 was less "closed" and more "unfinished". Still, the diversion was the new A14 between Cambridge and Huntingdon... Way too many overly cautious muppets shutting roads for no good reason.
I'd say 90% of the time I do this in the car, it's never been a problem getting through.
I'd say 100% on the motorbikes, it's never been a problem getting through.
The odd time it is a problem in the car, I turn around and come back, and go another way.
The problem isn't in the people that ignore the signs, the problem is in the people that put the signs up for no good reason and thus 'cry wolf'.
Obviously you have to use your brain, if it's closed for a cycle race, or a marathon or something, you wouldn't do it.
The amount of quiet country roads that I'm certain the local complainers have got hold of one of these signs for is a problem to reduce traffic on Sundays.
See also riding motorbikes off road, public rights of way with signs up saying you aren't allowed to ride there, when you absolutely are.
I really think as humans we should stop assuming someone has authority over us and/or knows more than what we can see with our own eyeballs.
A bit of creativity with coned off areas of tarmac and a brief contraflow ride up a quiet slip road got through much more safely!
And then there's the outright illegal to follow diversions...
Edited by Solocle on Tuesday 9th April 14:17
sospan said:
We had road closures a while back in our town that affected small businesses ( shops mainly). They had limited access and , if I remember correctly, compensation for reduced footfall/trade loss.
I do wonder at the timespan for such interference with normal circumstances though. It often seems like a lack of urgency to do the work or even monitor it for speed and quality. Add in the poor coordination of utility companies to combine suitable jobs instead of repeated separate disruption.
There is also the apparent inability to anticipate effects of developments like housing estates on existing infrastructure. We have a significant one locally that is now being addressed after several years of congestion. The issues were highlighted by locals when the plan was being discussed but not taken on board at the time.
It happened near me recently and they put a sign up saying that the businesses were open as usual I do wonder at the timespan for such interference with normal circumstances though. It often seems like a lack of urgency to do the work or even monitor it for speed and quality. Add in the poor coordination of utility companies to combine suitable jobs instead of repeated separate disruption.
There is also the apparent inability to anticipate effects of developments like housing estates on existing infrastructure. We have a significant one locally that is now being addressed after several years of congestion. The issues were highlighted by locals when the plan was being discussed but not taken on board at the time.
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