Road Closed signs - are they enforcable!
Discussion
eccles said:
XMG5 said:
There are road works currently underway in the middle of my town. There has been advance signage in place for some weeks now and diversions are in place.
The road works have blocked a major through route in the town and the diversions serve to feed traffic into the 'top' and 'bottom' halves of the town respectively.
There is now only one way to drive through the town from end to end and that is to ignore the big red "Road Closed" and "Except for Buses" metal fold up signs errected at each end of the single lane that passes the holes in the road.
Probably most traffic (98%) uses the diversions and travel the long way around but the remainder insist on ignoring the signs and driving through. According to the workmen, it's the same drivers ignoring the signs all the time.
These are not boy racers, tradesmen delivering to shops within the town nor are they scroats. They're just nobs who can't be arsed to comply with the 'rules'. I've even watched whilst some have driven through one handed with a mobile phone pressed up to their ear.
Question is:- What offence(s) are disclosed and as the signs are the usual red folding council type signs, are they enforcable? Assuming of course that there were any BiB to be seen within a few miles of the town, let alone near the road works at peak times.
i'm just wondering....why on earth does this bother you? millions of people break traffic laws every day.... why does this particular infraction bother you when it doesn't affect you in any way?The road works have blocked a major through route in the town and the diversions serve to feed traffic into the 'top' and 'bottom' halves of the town respectively.
There is now only one way to drive through the town from end to end and that is to ignore the big red "Road Closed" and "Except for Buses" metal fold up signs errected at each end of the single lane that passes the holes in the road.
Probably most traffic (98%) uses the diversions and travel the long way around but the remainder insist on ignoring the signs and driving through. According to the workmen, it's the same drivers ignoring the signs all the time.
These are not boy racers, tradesmen delivering to shops within the town nor are they scroats. They're just nobs who can't be arsed to comply with the 'rules'. I've even watched whilst some have driven through one handed with a mobile phone pressed up to their ear.
Question is:- What offence(s) are disclosed and as the signs are the usual red folding council type signs, are they enforcable? Assuming of course that there were any BiB to be seen within a few miles of the town, let alone near the road works at peak times.
One of these routes hase now been closed for 8 weeks while 2 (yes just 2)guys repair the road.
It has caused total f
king chaos for weeks and the real piss take is that the road isn't actually closed it is just single lane for a while and some of the work is in a side road off of the main carriageway and the road is clear.Any decent council ( not West Wilts, clearly)would hahe had a dozen or so blokes on it and finished it in a week.
At peak times there is a 4 and a half mile queue from just to get to the roundabout on the A350.
My reason for questioning the legality of the signs is to know what fine I might get when I finally say "f
k-it" and drive through. 
odyssey2200 said:
eccles said:
XMG5 said:
There are road works currently underway in the middle of my town. There has been advance signage in place for some weeks now and diversions are in place.
The road works have blocked a major through route in the town and the diversions serve to feed traffic into the 'top' and 'bottom' halves of the town respectively.
There is now only one way to drive through the town from end to end and that is to ignore the big red "Road Closed" and "Except for Buses" metal fold up signs errected at each end of the single lane that passes the holes in the road.
Probably most traffic (98%) uses the diversions and travel the long way around but the remainder insist on ignoring the signs and driving through. According to the workmen, it's the same drivers ignoring the signs all the time.
These are not boy racers, tradesmen delivering to shops within the town nor are they scroats. They're just nobs who can't be arsed to comply with the 'rules'. I've even watched whilst some have driven through one handed with a mobile phone pressed up to their ear.
Question is:- What offence(s) are disclosed and as the signs are the usual red folding council type signs, are they enforcable? Assuming of course that there were any BiB to be seen within a few miles of the town, let alone near the road works at peak times.
i'm just wondering....why on earth does this bother you? millions of people break traffic laws every day.... why does this particular infraction bother you when it doesn't affect you in any way?The road works have blocked a major through route in the town and the diversions serve to feed traffic into the 'top' and 'bottom' halves of the town respectively.
There is now only one way to drive through the town from end to end and that is to ignore the big red "Road Closed" and "Except for Buses" metal fold up signs errected at each end of the single lane that passes the holes in the road.
Probably most traffic (98%) uses the diversions and travel the long way around but the remainder insist on ignoring the signs and driving through. According to the workmen, it's the same drivers ignoring the signs all the time.
These are not boy racers, tradesmen delivering to shops within the town nor are they scroats. They're just nobs who can't be arsed to comply with the 'rules'. I've even watched whilst some have driven through one handed with a mobile phone pressed up to their ear.
Question is:- What offence(s) are disclosed and as the signs are the usual red folding council type signs, are they enforcable? Assuming of course that there were any BiB to be seen within a few miles of the town, let alone near the road works at peak times.
One of these routes hase now been closed for 8 weeks while 2 (yes just 2)guys repair the road.
It has caused total f
king chaos for weeks and the real piss take is that the road isn't actually closed it is just single lane for a while and some of the work is in a side road off of the main carriageway and the road is clear.Any decent council ( not West Wilts, clearly)would hahe had a dozen or so blokes on it and finished it in a week.
At peak times there is a 4 and a half mile queue from just to get to the roundabout on the A350.
My reason for questioning the legality of the signs is to know what fine I might get when I finally say "f
k-it" and drive through. All old fashioned values I'm afraid so when it comes to people who couldn't give a toss for everyone else and takes the pi*s in with a "I'll do what I want when I want and how I want, and fu*ck everyone else" attitude in life then I take exception.
In my experience the people driving through the closed road display the same wanton disregard for the 'rules' in all manner of things.
What if we all lived life in a "couldn't give a toss" approach. No it's the rest of us that shi*-for-brains relies on to let him have his way.
When he jumps the queue - the rest of the queue says nothing.
When he overtakes a traffic queue using the wrong lane for his route and pushes his way in at the end, the rest of us cuss hime but create the space for him or he pushes his way in threatening to collide with you.
When we are overtaken by the looney when there is something coming the other way, we slow down to create a space for him to fill.
When we complain he tells us to "F*ck off" or "What's it fu*king got to do with you" or gives us the finger (or two).
He never recognises his wrongdoing because he's used to going through life unchallenged.
People like him never have the accident, they cause the rest of us to have them.
Edited by XMG5 on Monday 17th March 14:14
oh and they were out in force this morning 
Queuing from the Devizes road because town is still waiting for the 2 guys to bother to finish the work and the Bradford On avon road had some floods (Well big puddles)
So all the numpties sit there looking at the puddle clogging up the only roundabout you can use to get out of town (piss boiling)
Then all th etossers who think that they have a devine right to be at the front of any Queue start trying to use the wrong lanes and cut everyone up atthe last possible moment causing even more havoc
BASTIDS!!!!
Where are plod when you could do with their presence, just being seen to keep a bit of order?
Perhaps pulling a few arogant sods for a "word"
Queuing from the Devizes road because town is still waiting for the 2 guys to bother to finish the work and the Bradford On avon road had some floods (Well big puddles)
So all the numpties sit there looking at the puddle clogging up the only roundabout you can use to get out of town (piss boiling)
Then all th etossers who think that they have a devine right to be at the front of any Queue start trying to use the wrong lanes and cut everyone up atthe last possible moment causing even more havoc
BASTIDS!!!!
Where are plod when you could do with their presence, just being seen to keep a bit of order?
Perhaps pulling a few arogant sods for a "word"
XMG5 said:
Actually they increased their workforce by a third the other day, there were three there.
As for the 'except for access' when I was doing advanced driver training, the instructor told me to ignore an 'except for access' sign, since we were accessing the road so he could make me encounter a particular road feature, hence we were complying with the 'access rules'. So maybe you do not even need to stop if there is some purpose for using the road except cutting through.
daz3210 said:
XMG5 said:
Actually they increased their workforce by a third the other day, there were three there.
As for the 'except for access' when I was doing advanced driver training, the instructor told me to ignore an 'except for access' sign, since we were accessing the road so he could make me encounter a particular road feature, hence we were complying with the 'access rules'. So maybe you do not even need to stop if there is some purpose for using the road except cutting through.
On a possibly related note, I've seen police stop cars turning into a junction and indicate that they should continue on down the road they were travelling instead. This was because an event had just finished and there were crowds of people wandering onto the road. I'm guessing there wouldn't have been a road closure notice in force for this, so where would someone stand if they chose to ignore the instruction and continue past the police? I'm guessing it would end badly, but if it ever came to court what would the charge be?
seanh said:
On a possibly related note, I've seen police stop cars turning into a junction and indicate that they should continue on down the road they were travelling instead. This was because an event had just finished and there were crowds of people wandering onto the road. I'm guessing there wouldn't have been a road closure notice in force for this, so where would someone stand if they chose to ignore the instruction and continue past the police? I'm guessing it would end badly, but if it ever came to court what would the charge be?
Failing to comply with a direction from bib ? odyssey2200 said:
oh and they were out in force this morning
Queuing from the Devizes road because town is still waiting for the 2 guys to bother to finish the work and the Bradford On avon road had some floods (Well big puddles)
It's not the two guys fault, the same with people complaining about traffic cones when nobody is working, do you want to pay two people to pick up all the cones and signs and temporary traffic lights every time they can't work, need to work somewhere else, are taking a break to comply with the law, have a breakdown of equipment, are not working and at home sleeping.Queuing from the Devizes road because town is still waiting for the 2 guys to bother to finish the work and the Bradford On avon road had some floods (Well big puddles)
They could spend an hour collapsing everything and an hour putting it back up or the bidder could pay for more workers.
tvrgit said:
"Road Ahead Closed" and "Road Closed" are two different signs.
The first means that the road is open for a bit, until it's closed somewhere up ahead. There is no problem using the road up to the point of closure - the sign is only a warning that you might not get through.
The second means that the road is closed "here".
The first means that the road is open for a bit, until it's closed somewhere up ahead. There is no problem using the road up to the point of closure - the sign is only a warning that you might not get through.
The second means that the road is closed "here".
By me there is a road closed sign. Two weeks ago they were doing a bit of work in the verge, although it was a Saturday so nobody working and you could easily get through safely.
This week the road closed sign was still there, but the work was finished and all barriers etc gone. Said lazy twonk obviously couldn’t be bothered to take the sign way.
And no comeback either. Everyone who had had to turn around and take the three mile diversion should be able to claim rime snd fiel against whose cockup it was and it should come straight out of his wages.
This week the road closed sign was still there, but the work was finished and all barriers etc gone. Said lazy twonk obviously couldn’t be bothered to take the sign way.
And no comeback either. Everyone who had had to turn around and take the three mile diversion should be able to claim rime snd fiel against whose cockup it was and it should come straight out of his wages.
Higgs boson said:
RGG said:
Road closed - Pass and it's fine plus 3 points.
Really?Even if you live on that road.
Even if Police/Ambulance/Fire&Rescue need to be on that road?
If the road is closed but some drivers "need" access then the sign will read - Road Closed Access Only
We had road closures a while back in our town that affected small businesses ( shops mainly). They had limited access and , if I remember correctly, compensation for reduced footfall/trade loss.
I do wonder at the timespan for such interference with normal circumstances though. It often seems like a lack of urgency to do the work or even monitor it for speed and quality. Add in the poor coordination of utility companies to combine suitable jobs instead of repeated separate disruption.
There is also the apparent inability to anticipate effects of developments like housing estates on existing infrastructure. We have a significant one locally that is now being addressed after several years of congestion. The issues were highlighted by locals when the plan was being discussed but not taken on board at the time.
I do wonder at the timespan for such interference with normal circumstances though. It often seems like a lack of urgency to do the work or even monitor it for speed and quality. Add in the poor coordination of utility companies to combine suitable jobs instead of repeated separate disruption.
There is also the apparent inability to anticipate effects of developments like housing estates on existing infrastructure. We have a significant one locally that is now being addressed after several years of congestion. The issues were highlighted by locals when the plan was being discussed but not taken on board at the time.
RGG said:
Higgs boson said:
RGG said:
Road closed - Pass and it's fine plus 3 points.
Really?Even if you live on that road.
Even if Police/Ambulance/Fire&Rescue need to be on that road?
If the road is closed but some drivers "need" access then the sign will read - Road Closed Access Only
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