RE: New Camera Test On A3
Discussion
vonhosen said:
Wilder said:
I suggest anyone with a car votes against this joke of a government at the next election, while you still own the shirt on your back.
What definite changes in relation to motoring can you see if we have the alternative government ?2/ One that doesnt use the motorist as a well off source of revenue.
3/ One whose priority is to leave the police to police, and not influence the appointment of politically sympathetic chief constables through the police authority, thereby making the culture of political correctness endemic throughout the country.
4/ To actually put resources into catching crooks -- the bread & butter of what was proper policing. Cameras cant do that, but actual patrols can.
Hows that for a slice of fried gold?
Wilder said:
vonhosen said:
Wilder said:
I suggest anyone with a car votes against this joke of a government at the next election, while you still own the shirt on your back.
What definite changes in relation to motoring can you see if we have the alternative government ?2/ One that doesnt use the motorist as a well off source of revenue.
3/ One whose priority is to leave the police to police, and not influence the appointment of politically sympathetic chief constables through the police authority, thereby making the culture of political correctness endemic throughout the country.
4/ To actually put resources into catching crooks -- the bread & butter of what was proper policing. Cameras cant do that, but actual patrols can.
Hows that for a slice of fried gold?
peter pan said:
whilst no one is expecting much from the next party to inhabit No10, there is no doubt whatsoever that the current shower have been absolutely appalling in just about every way imaginable, with perhaps the exception being sleaze where they have outdone every known party in modern UK politics. The prospect therefore may not be that things dont get better (especially for the motorist) but at least they are unlikely to get worse than anything the shower of sh*t have dreamed up in the last 10 or so years.
I don't disagree generally with what you say, but I'd like to see us setting our sights a little higher. If we can get a meaningful improvement via the ballot box that's fine, but I'm not optimistic about that delivering a satisfactory result, so if it needs more direct action to secure a worthwhile change, so be it.Obviously there will be considerable constraints on what the next government can do, not least for financial reasons, but I expect them to do the very best they can to turn things round, and they ought not to be left in peace too long.
I'm a bit fed up of hearing why we can't do things; what I want us to be looking for are ways to make the right things happen.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
vonhosen said:
Wilder said:
vonhosen said:
Wilder said:
I suggest anyone with a car votes against this joke of a government at the next election, while you still own the shirt on your back.
What definite changes in relation to motoring can you see if we have the alternative government ?2/ One that doesnt use the motorist as a well off source of revenue.
3/ One whose priority is to leave the police to police, and not influence the appointment of politically sympathetic chief constables through the police authority, thereby making the culture of political correctness endemic throughout the country.
4/ To actually put resources into catching crooks -- the bread & butter of what was proper policing. Cameras cant do that, but actual patrols can.
Hows that for a slice of fried gold?
-Ill take my chances thankyou.
P1esk. I too wish I could vote FOR a government, rather than against one I see as being unbelievably disgustingly bad for the people it is supposed to serve and protect ( I still wonder why the shower of sh*t hate the UK people so much, as to do what it has done to us for the last 10 years?)
I agree with your statement that who ever gets in next should be allowed no peace, untill they have delivered a UK which people truly believe is better, than we have endured for some time now.
The problem is that the current shower have done so much damage to our laws and especially financially to this country, that who ever gets in next, will initially at least have few options presented to them.
The shower may indeed go on a spending spree, as noted before, because knowing that they are unlikely to win at the next election they may want to bribe the population (and remember there are plenty out there, still thick enough to fall for it!)into voting for them, or make the financial position of the country even worse for the incoming group to have to deal with.
There IS however a problem related to wealth. Many years ago whilst doing teacher training we were given government figures (not the showers I would point out) which showed that 87% of the UK`s wealth was owned by 6% of the population, which meant that the vast majority had to make do with the 13% that was left!? Given the historical performance of that 6%, it is unlikely that many of the 6% would be interested in contributing a little more into the general financial pot, than they currently do.
A party which looks after those who WORK for a living, and tries to give them as much of what the MAJORITY want (good or bad, it should be the countries decision) rather than what IT thinks they should have, would be a usefull start. But when we have a country which pays someone thousands of pounds a week to kick a piece of plastic around a field, but a pays a nurse so little they cant even afford a place to live where they work, it would seem we have a long way to go,
In Architecture there is a process which anticipates what MOST will do in terms of moving about a site/building, and then accommodates that. It works very well, because it works by majority consent. Perhaps they should apply this approach to roads legislation, just a thought.
I agree with your statement that who ever gets in next should be allowed no peace, untill they have delivered a UK which people truly believe is better, than we have endured for some time now.
The problem is that the current shower have done so much damage to our laws and especially financially to this country, that who ever gets in next, will initially at least have few options presented to them.
The shower may indeed go on a spending spree, as noted before, because knowing that they are unlikely to win at the next election they may want to bribe the population (and remember there are plenty out there, still thick enough to fall for it!)into voting for them, or make the financial position of the country even worse for the incoming group to have to deal with.
There IS however a problem related to wealth. Many years ago whilst doing teacher training we were given government figures (not the showers I would point out) which showed that 87% of the UK`s wealth was owned by 6% of the population, which meant that the vast majority had to make do with the 13% that was left!? Given the historical performance of that 6%, it is unlikely that many of the 6% would be interested in contributing a little more into the general financial pot, than they currently do.
A party which looks after those who WORK for a living, and tries to give them as much of what the MAJORITY want (good or bad, it should be the countries decision) rather than what IT thinks they should have, would be a usefull start. But when we have a country which pays someone thousands of pounds a week to kick a piece of plastic around a field, but a pays a nurse so little they cant even afford a place to live where they work, it would seem we have a long way to go,
In Architecture there is a process which anticipates what MOST will do in terms of moving about a site/building, and then accommodates that. It works very well, because it works by majority consent. Perhaps they should apply this approach to roads legislation, just a thought.
I've been watching this go up, as I work next to the camera site. It does amaze me the amount of effort put in to this sort of project. It won't make much money as you have to slow down anyway due to the lanes narrowing just after the camera along with the entrance to the Harlequins training ground.
just glad I left the UK years ago and so don't contribute a single penny to the overpaid, over-pensioned 'police' force there.
Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 10:34
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
just glad I left the UK years ago and so don't contribute a single penny to the overpaid, over-pensioned 'police' force there.
Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Well as you are no longer in the UK and dont contribute towards the Cost of policing the UK, and are not subject to the issues we are discussing, then you have no valid input into the debate do you? Its a bit like our colonial cousins on other threads in here!Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 10:34
sounds like you're either in the UK 'police' or related to them with an attitude like that.
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
just glad I left the UK years ago and so don't contribute a single penny to the overpaid, over-pensioned 'police' force there.
Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Well as you are no longer in the UK and dont contribute towards the Cost of policing the UK, and are not subject to the issues we are discussing, then you have no valid input into the debate do you? Its a bit like our colonial cousins on other threads in here!Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 10:34
sounds like you're either in the UK 'police' or related to them with an attitude like that.
Also TBH those that have cut and run because they didnt like the way things are here in the UK have solved their own problem, so as far as I am concerned on UK only issues that relate only to those of us living here, and as for criticising our Police, YES YOU NEED TO LIVE HERE, otherwise you can not by definition have a clue what you are talking about now can you?
Annie, Von, do I get Hon Bib Status now then
Cheers
Edited by Guam on Wednesday 21st May 11:25
Anyway, I'm off to the beach now
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 11:47
Silver993tt said:
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
just glad I left the UK years ago and so don't contribute a single penny to the overpaid, over-pensioned 'police' force there.
Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Well as you are no longer in the UK and dont contribute towards the Cost of policing the UK, and are not subject to the issues we are discussing, then you have no valid input into the debate do you? Its a bit like our colonial cousins on other threads in here!Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 10:34
sounds like you're either in the UK 'police' or related to them with an attitude like that.
Also TBH those that have cut and run because they didnt like the way things are here in the UK have solved their own problem, so as far as I am concerned on UK only issues that relate only to those of us living here, and as for criticising our Police, YES YOU NEED TO LIVE HERE, otherwise you can not by definition have a clue what you are talking about now can you?
Annie, Von, do I get Hon Bib Status now then
Cheers
Edited by Guam on Wednesday 21st May 11:25
Anyway, I'm off to the beach now
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 11:47
thole & Im also off within 3 yrs max 
. Im also taking every penny I possess out of this overtaxed cesspit.If you think everything is rosy when we are persecuted as criminals and taxed like cashcows, then you either do have a vested interest in the government or its agencies, or your plain bonkers. Either way, theres big problems that are growing day by day , and I find it risable that some here just deny everything - fantastic!
Theres a saying
"there are none so blind as those who will not see"
sums it up perfectly.
Have not read all of the previous posts on this, so I might be repeating somebody else's words.
I heard that they are currently trialling automatic cameras that measure the distance in between vehicles in Germany, and fine offenders, due to the amount of rear-end collisions in 'deceleration zones' where vehicles tend not to maintain a safe distance anymore when signing and/or congestion causes a drop in speed. They initially targeted HGVs, don't know the current status.
I do not know the road where this device was spotted in England, for those who know the place, could it be one of these?
I heard that they are currently trialling automatic cameras that measure the distance in between vehicles in Germany, and fine offenders, due to the amount of rear-end collisions in 'deceleration zones' where vehicles tend not to maintain a safe distance anymore when signing and/or congestion causes a drop in speed. They initially targeted HGVs, don't know the current status.
I do not know the road where this device was spotted in England, for those who know the place, could it be one of these?
Guam said:
Wilder said:
Silver993tt said:
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
Guam said:
Silver993tt said:
just glad I left the UK years ago and so don't contribute a single penny to the overpaid, over-pensioned 'police' force there.
Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Well as you are no longer in the UK and dont contribute towards the Cost of policing the UK, and are not subject to the issues we are discussing, then you have no valid input into the debate do you? Its a bit like our colonial cousins on other threads in here!Driving on the continent is MUCH safer than in the UK, particularly the SE of the UK. I've ridden a bike and driven a car all over continental Europe covering tens of 000's of miles and from experience is many times safer than the UK. The reason? - because their populations aren't persecuted by their governments over thousands of petty issues. They have a real life and this shows not just in their driving style but also in their general way of life. The police in the rest of Europe tend to be part of the community and so apply common reasoning to everyday incidents on the roads and also with other petty infingements. The word COMMUNITY is banned by the UK 'police' in all aspects of their existence.
How many policie in the UK who get caught speeding through cameras get off the hook? - virtually all if not all of them. Even those that make hight profile stories in the papers end up with an 'internal' investigation and then you hear nothing of it again because they get let off.
The 'police' in the UK have no accountability whatsoever and deserve the wrath that comes their way.
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 10:34
sounds like you're either in the UK 'police' or related to them with an attitude like that.
Also TBH those that have cut and run because they didnt like the way things are here in the UK have solved their own problem, so as far as I am concerned on UK only issues that relate only to those of us living here, and as for criticising our Police, YES YOU NEED TO LIVE HERE, otherwise you can not by definition have a clue what you are talking about now can you?
Annie, Von, do I get Hon Bib Status now then
Cheers
Edited by Guam on Wednesday 21st May 11:25
Anyway, I'm off to the beach now
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 21st May 11:47
thole & Im also off within 3 yrs max . Im also taking every penny I possess out of this overtaxed cesspit.If you think everything is rosy when we are persecuted as criminals and taxed like cashcows, then you either do have a vested interest in the government or its agencies, or your plain bonkers. Either way, theres big problems that are growing day by day , and I find it risable that some here just deny everything - fantastic!
Theres a saying
"there are none so blind as those who will not see"
sums it up perfectly.
MY point is if you cut and run then dont let the door hit you in the arse on the way out, leaving the rest of us here to straighten the crap out is your perogative (and good luck to you), some of us want to sort it out and get the country back to where it should be. Once you have left however don't come back on here telling us how we should do things, have a b
h at the system in your new host country instead as that will be more relevant imho.Cheers
Cheers
BTW, Im entitled to have my say and more. My family fought for this country in 2 world wars and contributed to make it a great country, now to be given away to anyone and everyone who has no right to it, so I find your reply rather condescending.
We leave because the lunatics have taken over the assylum, not because we want to , but because we have no choice, because of myopic beaurocrats largely unelected, who every day steer this country into an Orwellian nightmare that some here just seem to think is fine.
It says something when forums such as this are patrolled by the authorities doesnt it?
Good luck to you as well I suspect you may need it more....
We leave because the lunatics have taken over the assylum, not because we want to , but because we have no choice, because of myopic beaurocrats largely unelected, who every day steer this country into an Orwellian nightmare that some here just seem to think is fine.
It says something when forums such as this are patrolled by the authorities doesnt it?
Good luck to you as well I suspect you may need it more....
Guam said:
Wilder said:
BTW, Im entitled to have my say and more. My family fought for this country in 2 world wars and contributed to make it a great country, now to be given away to anyone and everyone who has no right to it, so I find your reply rather condescending.
We leave because the lunatics have taken over the assylum, not because we want to , but because we have no choice, because of myopic beaurocrats largely unelected, who every day steer this country into an Orwellian nightmare that some here just seem to think is fine.
It says something when forums such as this are patrolled by the authorities doesnt it?
Good luck to you as well I suspect you may need it more....
Are forums such as this patrolled by the Authorities? Which Authorities? which forums? Are you talking about the Bib on here? If so that is the POINT of this particular forum so we can discuss issues with them that they have particular expertise in? We leave because the lunatics have taken over the assylum, not because we want to , but because we have no choice, because of myopic beaurocrats largely unelected, who every day steer this country into an Orwellian nightmare that some here just seem to think is fine.
It says something when forums such as this are patrolled by the authorities doesnt it?
Good luck to you as well I suspect you may need it more....
Curious as to what you percieve as patrolling (as opposed to just trolling which we see lots of)
Edited by MilnerR on Thursday 22 May 14:35
MilnerR said:
Guam said:
Wilder said:
BTW, Im entitled to have my say and more. My family fought for this country in 2 world wars and contributed to make it a great country, now to be given away to anyone and everyone who has no right to it, so I find your reply rather condescending.
We leave because the lunatics have taken over the assylum, not because we want to , but because we have no choice, because of myopic beaurocrats largely unelected, who every day steer this country into an Orwellian nightmare that some here just seem to think is fine.
It says something when forums such as this are patrolled by the authorities doesnt it?
Good luck to you as well I suspect you may need it more....
Are forums such as this patrolled by the Authorities? Which Authorities? which forums? Are you talking about the Bib on here? If so that is the POINT of this particular forum so we can discuss issues with them that they have particular expertise in? We leave because the lunatics have taken over the assylum, not because we want to , but because we have no choice, because of myopic beaurocrats largely unelected, who every day steer this country into an Orwellian nightmare that some here just seem to think is fine.
It says something when forums such as this are patrolled by the authorities doesnt it?
Good luck to you as well I suspect you may need it more....
Curious as to what you percieve as patrolling (as opposed to just trolling which we see lots of)
Edited by MilnerR on Thursday 22 May 14:35
magicdudey said:
Hi there,
Is that camera live yet? The one on Kingston Vale going South on A3 nr Robin Hood? It looks alittle strange?
Thanks in avdance. M
Don't think so, still on trials. I work in the building next to the camera and often spot people working on it, turing it round, changing the electronics etc.Is that camera live yet? The one on Kingston Vale going South on A3 nr Robin Hood? It looks alittle strange?
Thanks in avdance. M
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