RE: New Camera Test On A3

[Lustfish]

Hi there,

I'm actually a biker not the owner of a beautiful sports car (yet), but I just wanted to post up about this camera. I help run a bike forum in London and we've been watching this and the other thread about this particular Scamera with interest as bikes obviously have only one numberplate which is on the back. We are curious as to what on earth the other thing on a pole is before the Scamera? If it is vehicle recognition system, why is it only front facing?! Can anyone shed any light on this please?

Also, just so you know, the first set of lines AREN'T from the old camera. They have been repainted and are fresh, along with the Scamera.

Oh, and if anyone needs any tyres... I'm sure some of the bike stunters around the Ace cafe can donate some

[dingocooke]

a black bin bag is more effective :-)

[OilyRagMan]

lawrencec said:

there are 2 of these on the A322 in brack nell covering the traffic lights one facing towards the driver and one covering the back

they are to catch people turning right onto the duel carridgeway rather than going round the roundabout and joining as your meant to.... no problem with those is seen so many nearm miss's because of idiots suddenly slamming on the breaks and turning right on to the main road

[Deltaf01]

vonhosen said:

stuartbuckell said:

LewisR said:

Now, here's something I don't understand. I've been done for speeding on numerous occasion, twice it went to court. The reulst? Fines and points on my licence. No. people killed/injured/hurt = 0. Value of property damged = £0. Now, many years ago I was shunted by a driver not looking where he was going. He wasn't prosecuted at all but wrote off my car AND genuinly hurt my neck, which took about 2 months to recover from. Now, how does that work then?

Because what that drive did was deemed an "accident" whereas your behaviour is of a criminal nature... i.e. you did it deliberately. Where do you draw the line? How can you prove it wasn't an accident? But you can prove you broke the speed limit.

And we have limits on the speeds people can choose because they do make mistakes.

Von, i just dont understand how you can sit there and spew that kind of tripe out mate.
Because people make mistakes in all other areas of motoring and indeed life itself, why dont we have a scamera for that as well huh?
Why not have a scamera watching for people turning right? Or better still, ban it cos its "too dangerous" and people make mistakes when doing so?
In fact isnt that the primary cause of most accidents?
A mistake in observation?
Yet the war on drivers based purely on speed as a numerical indicator of safety continues. Playing at road safety while people die.
Well done for clearing that one up for us eh, i feel so much safer knowing the policy isnt working......

[flattotheboards]

Im all for number plate recognision systems will may help to catch uninsured drivers etc but another kind of speed camera is not what we need, we need more police to 'police' the roads. We get raped enough with speed cameras never mind another type of camera which is even better at catching 'dangerous motorists'.

[timewatch]

CAPTIN GATSO, WHERE ARE YOU ?

THIS COULD BE YOUR CROWNING MOMENT - BURN THE BA5TARD !!!!!!!!



TW>>>

[skid-mark]

Lustfish said:

Hi there,

I'm actually a biker not the owner of a beautiful sports car (yet), but I just wanted to post up about this camera. I help run a bike forum in London and we've been watching this and the other thread about this particular Scamera with interest as bikes obviously have only one numberplate which is on the back. We are curious as to what on earth the other thing on a pole is before the Scamera? If it is vehicle recognition system, why is it only front facing?! Can anyone shed any light on this please?

Also, just so you know, the first set of lines AREN'T from the old camera. They have been repainted and are fresh, along with the Scamera.

Oh, and if anyone needs any tyres... I'm sure some of the bike stunters around the Ace cafe can donate some

it looks like the other thing on the pole is a flash unit to high-light the line markings in the road cause they go down the road a fare distance and i also think the camera can be turned to face the other way hence the line markings before and after camera.
i would of thought if it was an anpr unit it would be more protected from the eliments (eg burning tyres)

[[AJ]]

stuartbuckell said:

LewisR said:

Now, here's something I don't understand. I've been done for speeding on numerous occasion, twice it went to court. The reulst? Fines and points on my licence. No. people killed/injured/hurt = 0. Value of property damged = £0. Now, many years ago I was shunted by a driver not looking where he was going. He wasn't prosecuted at all but wrote off my car AND genuinly hurt my neck, which took about 2 months to recover from. Now, how does that work then?

Because what that drive did was deemed an "accident" whereas your behaviour is of a criminal nature... i.e. you did it deliberately. Where do you draw the line? How can you prove it wasn't an accident? But you can prove you broke the speed limit.

That's some feked up logic. You can accidently drive at a speed over the posted limit if you're looking at the road rather than your dash.

[Edit] - There's some scary stuff on their website (http://www.robot.de/ ). I bet the CEO was bullied in school!

Edited by [AJ] on Monday 19th May 19:14

[RabD]

timewatch said:

CAPTIN GATSO, WHERE ARE YOU ?

THIS COULD BE YOUR CROWNING MOMENT - BURN THE BA5TARD !!!!!!!!



TW>>>

I just had a horrible thought. What if the bd thing's fireproof. Those things get targeted so often that they're bound to try up-armouring them eventually...

[morfmedia]

The description isn't quite correct, the solar panel style box is in front of the "GATSO". Ie you drive past the solar panel + over first set of white lines, then past the "GATSO" and over the second set....

[Nostrils]

Looking at the website, the only product that shows this type of camera is a Toll Enforcement System using ANPR. They say they it will detect those that pay, perhaps pay too much and those who dont. I wonder if it has something to do with the recent addtion to the road furniture used for detecting low emmission zone lorries etc.

I cannot for the life of me understand why the motorist is being constantly badgered with drivers having to keep their eyes peeled for all manner of detection, the speedo, last minute lane shifters, cyclists, bikers, lorries, foreign lorries (vehicles), potholes....it is endless. Half of me thinks that the government want us drivers / riders to make mistakes so they can charge us for our safe momentry lapse of concentration.

The UK government have seen what a cash cow the motorist is and it looks like our european neighbours have cottoned on too. Motorists will soon be priced off the road which is really what the government want.

This is the beginning.....what really is in the governments minds. Total Big Brother! In about 5 years time we would probably be charged for the air that we breath,

[vonhosen]

Deltaf01 said:

vonhosen said:

stuartbuckell said:

LewisR said:

Now, here's something I don't understand. I've been done for speeding on numerous occasion, twice it went to court. The reulst? Fines and points on my licence. No. people killed/injured/hurt = 0. Value of property damged = £0. Now, many years ago I was shunted by a driver not looking where he was going. He wasn't prosecuted at all but wrote off my car AND genuinly hurt my neck, which took about 2 months to recover from. Now, how does that work then?

Because what that drive did was deemed an "accident" whereas your behaviour is of a criminal nature... i.e. you did it deliberately. Where do you draw the line? How can you prove it wasn't an accident? But you can prove you broke the speed limit.

And we have limits on the speeds people can choose because they do make mistakes.

Von, i just dont understand how you can sit there and spew that kind of tripe out mate.

It's not tripe.
People make mistakes & speed has a direct effect on the space & time available to recover that mistake. If they fail to recover it & it ends up as a collision then the speed in the collision will affect the severity of the outcome.

Deltaf01 said:

Because people make mistakes in all other areas of motoring and indeed life itself, why dont we have a scamera for that as well huh?

We have enforcement for lots of things in life & cameras are just one way of carrying out that enforcement.

Deltaf01 said:

Why not have a scamera watching for people turning right?
Or better still, ban it cos its "too dangerous" and people make mistakes when doing so?

It's already banned in some places & is enforced with cameras.

Deltaf01 said:

In fact isnt that the primary cause of most accidents?
A mistake in observation?

And higher speeds aggravate not alleviate those errors.

deltaf01 said:

Yet the war on drivers based purely on speed as a numerical indicator of safety continues. Playing at road safety while people die.

False accusation. If it were 'based purely on speed as a numerical indicator of safety' there would be no other measures at all would there ?
And the simple facts are that there are & for your info I don't believe speed is a good numerical indicator of safety, but I do believe that control of it with a driver base is a necessity.

Deltaf01 said:

Well done for clearing that one up for us eh, i feel so much safer knowing the policy isnt working......

But it's working better here than in most other countries.

[GPSS]

Was watching old re-runs of Top Gear the other day and Clarkson mentioned some Dutch group that go round knobbling the kin things, does anyone know the name of the group. He also mentioned that when clamps were introduced into France, everybody just started squirting superglue into the locks whenever they saw one, whether it was their own car or not. No chance of the English doing that, we are such a useless, wimpy nation of girls.
What is it with the British, that makes us such sheep, the French and Spanish would not bother protesting, and just go straight to direct action.

[robwales]

RabD said:

I just had a horrible thought. What if the bd thing's fireproof. Those things get targeted so often that they're bound to try up-armouring them eventually...

Surely it couldn't protect against thermite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84UMbF0s2k

[HarryW]

vonhosen said:

Deltaf01 said:

Well done for clearing that one up for us eh, i feel so much safer knowing the policy isnt working......

But it's working better here than in most other countries.

I don't normally chip with your post Von, I can't deal with a bloody forehead too often and its a bit like a TV interview with the likes of Hazel Blears line after line of party mantra.
If you are alluding to our roads being better (safer?) compared to other countries and that is down to the current speed camera malarky I think that may be one claim (amongst others I hasten to add) too far. The UK roads have always been better than most other countries, believe it or not even before the introduction of speed cameras.
I may be wrong here (an alien concept I know, but try it) but the trend to improved safety has tailed off this I understand coincided with the introduction of a reliance on automated police enforcement of speeding, gatso's et al to you and me.

[odyssey2200]

robwales said:

Surely it couldn't protect against thermite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84UMbF0s2k

That is Soooo cool!

[grahamw48]

If they must put the damned thing up...buy a BRITISH one!!!

[timewatch]

RabD said:

timewatch said:

CAPTIN GATSO, WHERE ARE YOU ?

THIS COULD BE YOUR CROWNING MOMENT - BURN THE BA5TARD !!!!!!!!



TW>>>

I just had a horrible thought. What if the bd thing's fireproof. Those things get targeted so often that they're bound to try up-armouring them eventually...

Paint in a kids water blaster must be useful ?

TW>>>

[fatboy18]

Paint ball guns losded with Hammerite paint balls... That will stuff em

[gordon.frew]

Finally! This one is right outside my uni campus and was very confused as to what it was lol!!!
I knew it must of been a new type of camera as i've never seen it before. It is installed at the same position as the previous Gatso.
Glad to find out what it is now! Few debates have come from this one!