Legal help needed please - Legal Pressed Alloy Number Plates

[UNCLE SILVIA]

Nigel Worc's said:

Sorry, I just thought.....its so obvious.

Either a local mot station or vosa depot, that'll sort it one way or the other for you.

Ive asked several MOT inspectors and they ALL have no problems with them!!

However, Ive often found what an MOT inspector says can be completely different to what the Police say!?!?!?!

Why is this country so confusing??????????????????????????????

Edited by UNCLE SILVIA on Thursday 20th November 13:30

[Nigel Worc's]

Because SOME police officers seem to be forgetting what their job is and they think they are god.

A vosa depot, where the trucks are tested, they inspect vehicles for a living, and will have more knowledge than a non specialised copper.

[UNCLE SILVIA]

Nigel Worc's said:

Because SOME police officers seem to be forgetting what their job is and they think they are god.

A vosa depot, where the trucks are tested, they inspect vehicles for a living, and will have more knowledge than a non specialised copper.

Ill look into the VOSA thing for him!!

Cheers

[Dwight VanDriver]

Go through this

http://www.tinyurl.com/m7v5

which are the Regs covering the display of Reg Marks.

I cannot come up with anything that prohibits 'pressed' plates providing colour and reflectivity conforms to BS Standards and plate so marked and sizes/fonts conform.

Table B of the regs towards the end outlines sizes etc and just wondered if from the photo the bottom margin conforms?

dvd

[flemke]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Go through this

http://www.tinyurl.com/m7v5

which are the Regs covering the display of Reg Marks.

I cannot come up with anything that prohibits 'pressed' plates providing colour and reflectivity conforms to BS Standards and plate so marked and sizes/fonts conform.

Table B of the regs towards the end outlines sizes etc and just wondered if from the photo the bottom margin conforms?

dvd

DVD,

Perhaps mistakenly, I had thought that whether plates "conformed" to the standards could only be determined if those specific materials and design had been tested by the authorities, and that this was why perfectly reflective "stick-on" reg plates were not strictly legal.

[plasticpig]

flemke said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

Go through this

http://www.tinyurl.com/m7v5

which are the Regs covering the display of Reg Marks.

I cannot come up with anything that prohibits 'pressed' plates providing colour and reflectivity conforms to BS Standards and plate so marked and sizes/fonts conform.

Table B of the regs towards the end outlines sizes etc and just wondered if from the photo the bottom margin conforms?

dvd

DVD,

Perhaps mistakenly, I had thought that whether plates "conformed" to the standards could only be determined if those specific materials and design had been tested by the authorities, and that this was why perfectly reflective "stick-on" reg plates were not strictly legal.

The BS standard is a manufacturing standard. The plate has to be manufactured to the standard. I will see if I can dig out my copy tonight and see what it says.

[flemke]

plasticpig said:

flemke said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

Go through this

http://www.tinyurl.com/m7v5

which are the Regs covering the display of Reg Marks.

I cannot come up with anything that prohibits 'pressed' plates providing colour and reflectivity conforms to BS Standards and plate so marked and sizes/fonts conform.

Table B of the regs towards the end outlines sizes etc and just wondered if from the photo the bottom margin conforms?

dvd

DVD,

Perhaps mistakenly, I had thought that whether plates "conformed" to the standards could only be determined if those specific materials and design had been tested by the authorities, and that this was why perfectly reflective "stick-on" reg plates were not strictly legal.

The BS standard is a manufacturing standard. The plate has to be manufactured to the standard. I will see if I can dig out my copy tonight and see what it says.

Ah, so in the case of stick-ons, the manufacturing standard may include a gratuitous adjective such as "rigid", which would preclude flexibility even when there is complete legibility?

[plasticpig]

flemke said:

plasticpig said:

flemke said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

Go through this

http://www.tinyurl.com/m7v5

which are the Regs covering the display of Reg Marks.

I cannot come up with anything that prohibits 'pressed' plates providing colour and reflectivity conforms to BS Standards and plate so marked and sizes/fonts conform.

Table B of the regs towards the end outlines sizes etc and just wondered if from the photo the bottom margin conforms?

dvd

DVD,

Perhaps mistakenly, I had thought that whether plates "conformed" to the standards could only be determined if those specific materials and design had been tested by the authorities, and that this was why perfectly reflective "stick-on" reg plates were not strictly legal.

The BS standard is a manufacturing standard. The plate has to be manufactured to the standard. I will see if I can dig out my copy tonight and see what it says.

Ah, so in the case of stick-ons, the manufacturing standard may include a gratuitous adjective such as "rigid", which would preclude flexibility even when there is complete legibility?

Yes indeed.

[Billy_rfc]

Why not go to your local cop shop traffic dept. and ask them to have a look at the plates? Then they can tell you if there good or not, and if not why!

[Nigel Worc's]

Billy_rfc said:

Why not go to your local cop shop traffic dept. and ask them to have a look at the plates? Then they can tell you if there good or not, and if not why!

He may already have done, to be honest you dont get much help from cop shops these days in my experience, you couldn't even legally take your car to ours.......its in the city, no parking lol

[flemke]

plasticpig said:

flemke said:

plasticpig said:

flemke said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

Go through this

http://www.tinyurl.com/m7v5

which are the Regs covering the display of Reg Marks.

I cannot come up with anything that prohibits 'pressed' plates providing colour and reflectivity conforms to BS Standards and plate so marked and sizes/fonts conform.

Table B of the regs towards the end outlines sizes etc and just wondered if from the photo the bottom margin conforms?

dvd

DVD,

Perhaps mistakenly, I had thought that whether plates "conformed" to the standards could only be determined if those specific materials and design had been tested by the authorities, and that this was why perfectly reflective "stick-on" reg plates were not strictly legal.

The BS standard is a manufacturing standard. The plate has to be manufactured to the standard. I will see if I can dig out my copy tonight and see what it says.

Ah, so in the case of stick-ons, the manufacturing standard may include a gratuitous adjective such as "rigid", which would preclude flexibility even when there is complete legibility?

Yes indeed.

Would be interesting to see how "rigid" is defined. If the sticky reflective material is mounted onto a piece of metal, such as a car, it would be essentially the same as a standard plate in that respect.

[Dwight VanDriver]

Letters and numerals under the Regs have to be on a plate?.

Stick on's cannot comply with this from certain date.

Under BS Standards seems a lot to be considered :

http://www.standardsdirect.org/standards/standards...

but what seen does not seem to differ from a 'normal plate'.

dvd

[UNCLE SILVIA]

Hmmmmm this is getting interesting on here and on my local site!!

I will pass on some of your ideas and let you know of any outcomes!!

Cheers all!!

[UNCLE SILVIA]

THE PLATES ARE OFFICIALLY LEGAL!!!!

Quote from Carnoisseur in Plymouth............

Carnoisseur said:

Greetings,

I have remained quiet on the forum until I was in a better position to resolve the issues your all having with Devon & Cornwall Constabulary.

Obviously, like you I am annoyed at the mis-information that is being given and circulated.

I have spoken to the Crime and Compliance Department at the DVLA and for those of you that receive a HORT1 and/or fine could you either PM me the Police officer's details along with your Name, Address & Vehicle Registration Mark and I will get the DVLA to speak to the Pc involved and have your fine cancelled, in order that you do not need to appeal this in court.

The DVLA are going to speak to the Section Commanders at Traffic and advise them that they are fining you all for LEGAL plates, so hopefully this will not become a regular occurrence.

In the meantime I will Email Leeroy a .pdf letter that you can print off and keep in your cars or you can Email me to receive a copy directly. My mobile and store numbers are below in case you wish to speak to me. If you are pulled over have the Pc contact me directly.

Please be assured that any number plates supplied by me are FULLY LEGAL and compliant.

Cheers,
Andy
Carnoisseur Plymouth

T: 01752 ****** | M: 07552 ****** | Email: ******************.com

[GKP]

Why do we continually put up with these petty rules? There's got to be more to Law and Order than this? It's spirit crushingly monotonous.





The peasants are revolting....brother.

[UNCLE SILVIA]

GKP said:

Why do we continually put up with these petty rules? There's got to be more to Law and Order than this? It's spirit crushingly monotonous.


The peasants are revolting....brother.

What rules........ The coppers are wrong in this case!!! LOL

[GKP]

The rules that state that the perfectly legally spaced normal plate that's on the back of my Good Lady's car isn't legal. She's only owned the car for a couple of months and the plate was stuck on once the cherished transfer was completed.

I've owned that particular piece of reflective plastic for a number of years and transfer it from old car to new car with satisfaction. However, because it was manufactured before all this new legislation was even thought of it's now illegal due to the fact that there's no makers ident or BS mark on it.
What a load of tosh.

[Nigel Worc's]

Good result, I'm pleased for you, its so sad a copper can be so confidentally wrong !

This sort of crap is what turns people against the police these days.

And others want to charge us for appealing this stuff !

[flemke]

GKP said:

The rules that state that the perfectly legally spaced normal plate that's on the back of my Good Lady's car isn't legal. She's only owned the car for a couple of months and the plate was stuck on once the cherished transfer was completed.

I've owned that particular piece of reflective plastic for a number of years and transfer it from old car to new car with satisfaction. However, because it was manufactured before all this new legislation was even thought of it's now illegal due to the fact that there's no makers ident or BS mark on it.
What a load of tosh.

The rule applies to when the reg was assigned to the specific car, not to when the reg plate was legitimately made?

[GKP]

Yep, so overnight this perfectly normal legal font, correctly spaced etc etc number plate is illegal because there's neither a BS mark or maker's identity on it.

I can just imagine how delighted a fresh faced bobby would be to spot it.