RE: Priva Plate
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Best solution was done by my sister, she registered car to her flat that she rented out, but in another name (non existant person) and insured the car in her own name. Never paid for a parking or speeding fine for 3 years of ownership. Wouldn't recommend it as she was always totally petrified when police pulled her over. Never got asked about outstanding penalties etc though!!!!!
But surely the insurance company asks who the registered keeper of the car is? If she tells them the 'other' name then she has no insurance cover.
She informed the insurance company that she was not the registered keeper and they were okay with it. I always thought that only the owner of an item had an insurable interest in the property and that they alone could claim for any losses. I am not sure but I think she informed them that she was the owner but not the registered keeper. In any case, she definitely was insured and definitely not the keeper.
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You might have to be a bit fly and try a bit of "spotting" in London, but there is such a thing as a "no stop plate" basically they are standard numbers registered to security services, military int, and I assume plain clothes plod, If these numbers are requested by plain plod on the beat prior to a tug the PNC computer gives no details apart from "do not stop". Always fancyed the idea just never had the balls to try and get one of the numbers.
My mate borrowed a car from work once that had one of these plates. He works for the Army and it was a bomb squad car.
Just a couple of points.
1) I read it's manufactured for bikes as well. Hopefully it will also be available for the larger square plates used on Japanese import 'Divine Wind' machines
2) I trust it will also incorporate some sort of malfunction alarm. I would hate to think that the first indication of a system failure would be a deluge of fixed penalty notices through the letterbox.
1) I read it's manufactured for bikes as well. Hopefully it will also be available for the larger square plates used on Japanese import 'Divine Wind' machines
2) I trust it will also incorporate some sort of malfunction alarm. I would hate to think that the first indication of a system failure would be a deluge of fixed penalty notices through the letterbox.
Just a point of caution with this plate protector.
If you zoom through a speedtrap with the plate covered (whether intentionally or otherwise) then it may incense the police enough that they may start checking other cameras (ie. CCTV cameras) on stretches of road close by in an attempt to find your license plate and then instead of a ticket in the post you would likely face a visit from plod.
It's worth remembering that much of Britains motorways are covered by CCTV to catch traffic violations. Unless you want to drive the whole way home with the plate covered (not recommeded unless you are an expert unmarked car spotter).
I agree with someone else on the thread who said that the main limitation is that it doesn't respond to a speedtrap YOU have to turn it on and if you've got time to switch it on then you've got time to slow down.
Possibly a Geodsey GPS early warning system would be money better spent.
(although I still want James Bond stylee rotating plates, now that would be great!)
Andy
If you zoom through a speedtrap with the plate covered (whether intentionally or otherwise) then it may incense the police enough that they may start checking other cameras (ie. CCTV cameras) on stretches of road close by in an attempt to find your license plate and then instead of a ticket in the post you would likely face a visit from plod.
It's worth remembering that much of Britains motorways are covered by CCTV to catch traffic violations. Unless you want to drive the whole way home with the plate covered (not recommeded unless you are an expert unmarked car spotter).
I agree with someone else on the thread who said that the main limitation is that it doesn't respond to a speedtrap YOU have to turn it on and if you've got time to switch it on then you've got time to slow down.
Possibly a Geodsey GPS early warning system would be money better spent.
(although I still want James Bond stylee rotating plates, now that would be great!)
Andy
They won't use CCTV on motorways for mere road traffic offences - only for the real criminal stuff, like getaway cars trying to flee. The operators are not trained to identify and prosecute people, they merely collect evidence on behalf of a higher authority when they have to, and monitor the roads at other times. If they saw you driving like a tit, or without a number plate visible, they may (if they could be arsed) pass the info to a traffic unit in the area, but they are not set up to send you points through the post!
um, what I meant was that if the police/traffic division recieved a photo from the developers with a car with covered plates then they would simply read the time and location off the photos and then could go and check archived tapes from nearby CCTV cameras.
But as you say they're not likely to go to all the trouble as they have better things to do.
hope this clears up what I mean
Andy
But as you say they're not likely to go to all the trouble as they have better things to do.
hope this clears up what I mean
Andy
Let's consider the problem from another angle:
Would it be possible to make some kind of transmitter directly acting on the camera ? Or use some laser which could influence/destroy the camera ?
Since 'they' will always come out with new cameras, I think it should be more appropriate to act on the cameras directly...but how ?
Would it be possible to make some kind of transmitter directly acting on the camera ? Or use some laser which could influence/destroy the camera ?
Since 'they' will always come out with new cameras, I think it should be more appropriate to act on the cameras directly...but how ?
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Since 'they' will always come out with new cameras, I think it should be more appropriate to act on the cameras directly...but how ?
There has been a lot of talk of 7.5 ton trucks, and a length of chain attached to arm of camera. But who is going to tow a camera..?
I don't think you'll achieve much in isolation, but start discussing it with other people and you could end up in bother. So be careful who you talk to.
The Geodesy/Val1 solutions seem like good stop gaps, until the law is changed to get rid of the damn cameras.
Luckily it would seem that only major roads will be targeted, as the rural roads wouldn't make them enough money. Even if they did put a box in the country, it would be very vulnerable to action - preserving the status quo.
If you really had a laser powerful enough to knock out a camera, it would classed an offensive weapon - thus getting you into a lot more trouble if caught !!
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Let's consider the problem from another angle:
Would it be possible to make some kind of transmitter directly acting on the camera ? Or use some laser which could influence/destroy the camera ?
Since 'they' will always come out with new cameras, I think it should be more appropriate to act on the cameras directly...but how ?
Such technology does exist. It's called Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) and, whilst highly illegal, homemade devices generating EMP can be constructed relatively easily:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2073599,00.html
Below is a story I heard which I subsequently posted at uktrafficlaw yahoogroup a while ago:
I heard an amusing story recently through a legal contact. I cannot vouch for its accuracy but legend has it a defendant had been caught by police driving at high speed. He had previously passed through two gatsos way in excess of the speed limit. On searching the boot of his vehicle a rearward-facing speaker with strange circuitry was discovered. Both cameras had been triggered but subsequent analysis of their evidence showed they had recorded an unusually low vehicle speed.
Further analysis of the speaker revealed that it been turned into a highly illegal but very effective mini electromagnetic pulse (EMP) device. Unfortunately our hero had allegedly driven past an army barracks at the time of the offence so the matter may be placed in the hands of the military. Apparently the MOD take a dim view of civilians messing with EMP near their property.
Currently there is no information on any permanent damage done to the cameras' electronics.
Good luck!
Hmmmmm!! I like the direction this thread is heading in!!!
A Shield in the right place would protect the Ignition from the EMP! As long as the Pulse was directed and at the front of the car, just inside the grill or wing! Shield on the engine side of the EMP and bobs your next door neighbour!!!
It would need to be low powered, just enough to knock out the camera but leave everything else alone! If an EMP was detected by the Military, your in serious trouble! i.e, they wouldn't stop to ask questions! And that Apache thats sitting 3 feet behind your bumper doesn't ask them!!!
Hmmm! I think it's time to do some research on the old Information Super-Motorway!!!!
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A Shield in the right place would protect the Ignition from the EMP! As long as the Pulse was directed and at the front of the car, just inside the grill or wing! Shield on the engine side of the EMP and bobs your next door neighbour!!!
It would need to be low powered, just enough to knock out the camera but leave everything else alone! If an EMP was detected by the Military, your in serious trouble! i.e, they wouldn't stop to ask questions! And that Apache thats sitting 3 feet behind your bumper doesn't ask them!!!
Hmmm! I think it's time to do some research on the old Information Super-Motorway!!!!
>> Edited by tvradict on Saturday 23 February 21:42
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I would have thought you would be better off removing the rear number plate and putting it in the car, claiming it fell off earlier.
Always wanted to try that - anyone given it a go? Have seen loads of cars with severly broken or missing plates and you could just claim it fell off.... Not much they can say really.... Probably give you a provider, but not much else...
Cheers,
Paul
Contrary to popular belief, registration numbers of vehicles used by law enforcement agencies, security services etc... do not flash up "do not stop" on PNC. There are often valid reasons for uniform "plod" to check such vehicles, e.g. if parked unattended or if they are involved in an RTA etc... Checks on such vehicles, including Gatsos etc... are monitored. If the person driving the vehicle does not have an exemption under S87 Road Traffic Act, or is otherwise justified in breaking whatever law they've broken, they usually end up prosecuted like anyone else. Only when Police Officers are "in the dock" they tend to get far heavier sentences than Joe Public.
Well it's been a while since I spoke to my mate ‘Big’ Dave - I ran into him down the Dog and Duck last night. He said he'd been “away for a short stretch”, the weather must have been bad ‘cos it looked like he’d hardly been outside at all. As ever, his interest in ‘economical driving’ (or “getting back at those b#st@rd coppers” as he calls it) became more vigorous after his 6th and 7th pints. Glancing from side to side he beckoned me forwards, dropped his voice to a whisper and proceeded to enlighten me on the methods and ‘sure fire f*ckin dream-tickets’ to avoid getting caught when “on a job” (which apparently refers to the occasional “delivery man” driving that he’s known for – although his old 4.2 Jag seems a little impractical as a cargo carrier maybe that’s what the banks he says he works for expect?).
The first nugget of valuable information I gleamed surrounds the mysterious “do not stop” plates that people often refer to. According to Big Dave, the police use a series of number plates that ensure the unmarked cars can drive without due care and attention (or “knackers-out” as Dave put it). The numbers are created at random every day and all unmarked cars are fitted with brand new plates at an underground silo near Milton Keynes. The day’s new numbers are then transmitted to all marked cars using a version of the enigma machine stolen from the Nazis in WWII via a subspace transmitter that “looks like that thing off Star Trek” mounted atop every police station. Interestingly, Dave’s mate Gary (“speccy tw#t, but alright really”) has something called an internet which he uses to intercept the signal and translate it into car registrations (Dave is also interested in getting hold of an internet because it also produces “top drawer” porn apparently). Gary then calls Dave who gets a set of the plates made up “double sharpish” and put on the Jag.
Later in the evening, as Dave switched to shorts and smokey-bacon crisps, he announced his plans to fit a “Gatso-Shafter” to the Jag. Whilst Gary was researching what internet he should buy he had come across this thing called ‘The Matrix’ – a documentary which details the use of ‘EMP’ to knock-out electronic/electric devices in a certain radius. Dave is quite sure that it’s the same technology that is used in his sister’s Clairol hairdryer as that “is always blowing the bleedin’ fuses in the flat” and so he and Gary are intending to fit a couple of rear facing Hairdryers (“nice chrome ones”) to the boot of the Jag. By wiring these up to the amp in Dave’s “sweet” stereo, he can use the volume control to increase/decrease the range of his ‘EMP’ and prevent any more annoying summons. Dave is planning to market the device once he has proven its worth.
You might be sceptical, but I know above information is true, because at the end of the evening, raising his head off the table, Big Dave pointed at me and declared “You’re my besht mate, I’d never lie to you….” Before breaking into heartfelt sobs…
>> Edited by paul on Thursday 28th February 23:16
The first nugget of valuable information I gleamed surrounds the mysterious “do not stop” plates that people often refer to. According to Big Dave, the police use a series of number plates that ensure the unmarked cars can drive without due care and attention (or “knackers-out” as Dave put it). The numbers are created at random every day and all unmarked cars are fitted with brand new plates at an underground silo near Milton Keynes. The day’s new numbers are then transmitted to all marked cars using a version of the enigma machine stolen from the Nazis in WWII via a subspace transmitter that “looks like that thing off Star Trek” mounted atop every police station. Interestingly, Dave’s mate Gary (“speccy tw#t, but alright really”) has something called an internet which he uses to intercept the signal and translate it into car registrations (Dave is also interested in getting hold of an internet because it also produces “top drawer” porn apparently). Gary then calls Dave who gets a set of the plates made up “double sharpish” and put on the Jag.
Later in the evening, as Dave switched to shorts and smokey-bacon crisps, he announced his plans to fit a “Gatso-Shafter” to the Jag. Whilst Gary was researching what internet he should buy he had come across this thing called ‘The Matrix’ – a documentary which details the use of ‘EMP’ to knock-out electronic/electric devices in a certain radius. Dave is quite sure that it’s the same technology that is used in his sister’s Clairol hairdryer as that “is always blowing the bleedin’ fuses in the flat” and so he and Gary are intending to fit a couple of rear facing Hairdryers (“nice chrome ones”) to the boot of the Jag. By wiring these up to the amp in Dave’s “sweet” stereo, he can use the volume control to increase/decrease the range of his ‘EMP’ and prevent any more annoying summons. Dave is planning to market the device once he has proven its worth.
You might be sceptical, but I know above information is true, because at the end of the evening, raising his head off the table, Big Dave pointed at me and declared “You’re my besht mate, I’d never lie to you….” Before breaking into heartfelt sobs…
>> Edited by paul on Thursday 28th February 23:16
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