Percentage of live Gatso's

[jas xjr]

Dizeee said:

The simple fact is when the apetures are open, the camera is live. You don't know me or what I do, and you can believe what you want to, but you are wrong.

You go on about what is posted on the internet and how it is just rubbish and people's personal opinion, and that is exactly what you have done, post your opinion. Mine is not an opinion, it is information I know to be fact through my course of work.

go on dizzee you tell him mate

[Robert060379]

Puddenchucker said:

Dizeee said:

Puddenchucker said:

Dizeee said:

You can always tell when a gatso has film in it as the pin on the rear of the yellow box housing is down and 2 circles open either side, this allows light via a shutter enabling pictures to be taken with film. Look at them all on the A3 and you will see that most of not all of the pins are up and the circles are closed, hence no film.

If this is true how would Gatsos work in the dark?

As far as I know they do work in the dark.

Anyway, it is 100% true.

This is the inside of a Gatso.
Where does the shutter fit in?

Now I know where to aim my ten gauge.

[Medic-one]

Is doesn't have to be a car driving past to set them off, this Duck in Holland flew past a camera at 64 km/h where the limit was 50 km/h and got flashed.

dougc said:

Medic - have you ever been had up by a SPECS system?

Our local A road (A127) has SPECS with a 50 mp/h limit in it which we often exceed but we never hear of any tickets so wouldn't hear of these ones either if we would set them off.

[Deva Link]

Dizeee said:

The simple fact is when the apetures are open, the camera is live. You don't know me or what I do, and you can believe what you want to, but you are wrong.

A former traffic officer on our works defensive driving course told us the above. I assumed it was to do with the mounting of the camera, but that doesn't really fit with the internal picture posted earlier.

In our area (Chester) they bought and located eight housings, but only one camera. No idea if they've bought more since.

[Puddenchucker]

Dizeee said:

The simple fact is when the apetures are open, the camera is live. You don't know me or what I do, and you can believe what you want to, but you are wrong.

You go on about what is posted on the internet and how it is just rubbish and people's personal opinion, and that is exactly what you have done, post your opinion. Mine is not an opinion, it is information I know to be fact through my course of work.

Note the keys in the apeture?

[brickwall]

Aren't all speed cameras digital these days?

I was under the impression pretty much all were now either made (or retro-fitted) with digital cameras which was then transmitted back to a local centre.

[Dizeee]

Puddenchucker said:

Dizeee said:

The simple fact is when the apetures are open, the camera is live. You don't know me or what I do, and you can believe what you want to, but you are wrong.

You go on about what is posted on the internet and how it is just rubbish and people's personal opinion, and that is exactly what you have done, post your opinion. Mine is not an opinion, it is information I know to be fact through my course of work.

Note the keys in the apeture?

I don't understand - note what keys? What is the relevance of this?

The "letting light in" is something I am not 100% on, but what I am is that when the apertures are down, the camera is live. That I am 140% on.

Edited by Dizeee on Saturday 29th August 16:43

[Puff the magic..]

Dizeee said:

Puddenchucker said:

Dizeee said:

The simple fact is when the apetures are open, the camera is live. You don't know me or what I do, and you can believe what you want to, but you are wrong.

You go on about what is posted on the internet and how it is just rubbish and people's personal opinion, and that is exactly what you have done, post your opinion. Mine is not an opinion, it is information I know to be fact through my course of work.

Note the keys in the apeture?

I don't understand - note what keys? What is the relevance of this?

The "letting light in" is something I am not 100% on, but what I am is that when the apertures are down, the camera is live. That I am 140% on.

You don't need to let light into the back of the camera; that would be a bad idea; you need the light coming in from the front so you take an image of what is in the front of the camera.
If the holes are open on the rear door it's because someone has forgotten to close them, they should be closed.

[Jimmyarm]

Why on earth would a camera want any extra holes for light to come in other than through the lens ?

You know how a camera works right ? o.0

[Puddenchucker]

Dizeee said:

I don't understand - note what keys? What is the relevance of this?

The "letting light in" is something I am not 100% on, but what I am is that when the apertures are down, the camera is live. That I am 140% on.

I've highlighted the keys.
The keys that are in the locks that are on the back of a Gatso.
In the holes that you insist are something to do with "letting light in" for the operation of the camera inside.



Edit to add:
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/gatso05.htm (3rd paragraph)

ukspeedtraps said:

"One Web site reports that you can tell if a Gatso is in operation by the vent holes on the back. If the holes are open, "dark" then it's working and ready to take a picture. If they are closed, "light" then it is not in operation. This is untrue, these are not vents - they are, in fact, access ports for the case locks. If they have been left open, it means that someone has recently been fiddling with the camera and has forgotten to secure them. So if the ports are open, it would suggest that there is a camera in the GATSO.
However, just because the ports are closed it doesn't mean that the GATSO has no camera or film in

Edited by Puddenchucker on Saturday 29th August 18:06

[playerone]

[putridp]

If a tuning fork was used to trigger the camera inappropriately, i.e. to make it 'catch' non-speeding cars would it be standard practise for the whole film to be binned (i.e. if most of the film is filled with pictures of non-speeding cars, then any genuinely speeding cars on the film would be ignored).

I don't really see why this should be true to be honest, but it was just one of those internet things I'd come across years ago - myth?

[Puff the magic..]

putridp said:

If a tuning fork was used to trigger the camera inappropriately, i.e. to make it 'catch' non-speeding cars would it be standard practise for the whole film to be binned (i.e. if most of the film is filled with pictures of non-speeding cars, then any genuinely speeding cars on the film would be ignored).

I don't really see why this should be true to be honest, but it was just one of those internet things I'd come across years ago - myth?

Each offence on the film can be tested individually, the radar speed and the secondary speed need to agree within 10%. If you have a tuning fork in the radar then it just may be visible, I would say most operators would spot the difference between a hand and tuning fork and a vehicle.

Like a lot of the Internet legend, including "letting light into the back of a camera" is bollix

[Dizeee]

Puddenchucker said:

Dizeee said:

I don't understand - note what keys? What is the relevance of this?

The "letting light in" is something I am not 100% on, but what I am is that when the apertures are down, the camera is live. That I am 140% on.

I've highlighted the keys.
The keys that are in the locks that are on the back of a Gatso.
In the holes that you insist are something to do with "letting light in" for the operation of the camera inside.



Edit to add:
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/gatso05.htm (3rd paragraph)

ukspeedtraps said:

"One Web site reports that you can tell if a Gatso is in operation by the vent holes on the back. If the holes are open, "dark" then it's working and ready to take a picture. If they are closed, "light" then it is not in operation. This is untrue, these are not vents - they are, in fact, access ports for the case locks. If they have been left open, it means that someone has recently been fiddling with the camera and has forgotten to secure them. So if the ports are open, it would suggest that there is a camera in the GATSO.
However, just because the ports are closed it doesn't mean that the GATSO has no camera or film in

Edited by Puddenchucker on Saturday 29th August 18:06

I now see what you were getting at.

I am limited as to what I can say, but, all I can say is that when the holes are open, the camera is live. It is as simple as that. The light theory may be wrong, but, the holes being open and comnnection to a love camera is correct. There are plenty out there with open holes, and they all tell a story.

[Dizeee]

eta

As you can see, there are 2 holes and neither have key holes in them. Speculation leads to pictures/comments like the above, but the facts of how these things operate will never change.

[anonymous-user]

The only way to prove this as fact is..

For a series of experiments, Going through speeds traps and setting the camera off.

Then checking if the holes are open or closed..

Any volunteers to prove who is right??

[Dizeee]

Exactly. Unless you happen to be someone directly involved in them, of course...

[GC8]

Puddenchucker said:

If you've been flashed by a Gatso then almost certain you've been caught...(unless)...It didn't just have a 'dummy' unit inside it with no camera.

What a useless and unknowledgeable post. Surely the point is: how many are live and how many only have a radar and flash in?

Better to keep quiet when youve no idea what youre talking about: surely?

[Deva Link]

GC8 said:

Puddenchucker said:

If you've been flashed by a Gatso then almost certain you've been caught...(unless)...It didn't just have a 'dummy' unit inside it with no camera.

What a useless and unknowledgeable post. Surely the point is: how many are live and how many only have a radar and flash in?

Better to keep quiet when youve no idea what youre talking about: surely?

If everyone did that then there wouldn't be much activity on PH.

[Dizeee]

Deva Link said:

GC8 said:

Puddenchucker said:

If you've been flashed by a Gatso then almost certain you've been caught...(unless)...It didn't just have a 'dummy' unit inside it with no camera.

What a useless and unknowledgeable post. Surely the point is: how many are live and how many only have a radar and flash in?

Better to keep quiet when youve no idea what youre talking about: surely?

If everyone did that then there wouldn't be much activity on PH.

Guys guys... each to their own and all that. P Chucker has raised a valuable point about the holes and what they may or may not mean. However, to discuss the flash issue, they are mostly all set to flash. I'ts all about budgets. The mechanism is made and activated, therefore it flashes - that way the public don't think that all camera's are dormant and slow down to meet the needs of it's very existance.

Film is allocated every so often to the area that meets the needs the most. If your flashed the chances are minimal that you will receive an NIP. Thats not an invitation to try it, but, life is life and thats how it works.