Are 3D Carbon Domed Registration Plates legal?
Discussion
Mill Wheel said:
cambiker71 said:
We had a MOT special notice today mentioning the new changes here's a PDF copy of it from the VOSA website, I'm afraid they are illegal right now, but won't be on June 6th. Section 6.3 (right at the bottom of page 5)
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20No...
OP says already been through THREE MOTs - are you implying that MOT rules reflect the law as it stands?http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20No...
The MOT test does follow the law on registration plates or at least the bits that the majority of testers can understand easily
What you're missing here is that the carbon fibre is ALL black, just that the lattice layup of the fibre gives it the appearance of black/grey due to light reflection/refraction.
I can give you an example of a horses arse when "prettied up" for competition/showing to give a chequered pattern. This is done by criss/cross brushing the coat. The horse's coat is the same colour, just that the reflection of light is different on up/down compared to left/right and it looks like light/dark chequers.
Look at the effect of rolling your lawn (if you have one). Roll it one way and it gives a light stripe, roll it the other way, you get dark. It's still green grass. Still the same colour. It's the effect of light reflection. Rolled away from you is light, towards you is dark.
What you have here is one officer's interpretation of what he saw/perceived that he saw, and he didn't like it, so you got a ticket.
Now taking it to court may just cause grief as a magistrate is going to take a lot of convincing that what I'm telling you here as being the facts. Police officers don't tell lies, or misrepresent facts, ever (to a Magistrate or Judge). That's the job of barristers, and members of parliament.
So, unless you can employ the services of a damn good barrister to run rings around any CPS appointed fact twister, you're up said creek with said paddle, but unable to use it because your hands are tied!!!.
If this issue is the raised letters, then they are permitted because pressed plates are legal.
The case for the defence rests M'lud.
I can give you an example of a horses arse when "prettied up" for competition/showing to give a chequered pattern. This is done by criss/cross brushing the coat. The horse's coat is the same colour, just that the reflection of light is different on up/down compared to left/right and it looks like light/dark chequers.
Look at the effect of rolling your lawn (if you have one). Roll it one way and it gives a light stripe, roll it the other way, you get dark. It's still green grass. Still the same colour. It's the effect of light reflection. Rolled away from you is light, towards you is dark.
What you have here is one officer's interpretation of what he saw/perceived that he saw, and he didn't like it, so you got a ticket.
Now taking it to court may just cause grief as a magistrate is going to take a lot of convincing that what I'm telling you here as being the facts. Police officers don't tell lies, or misrepresent facts, ever (to a Magistrate or Judge). That's the job of barristers, and members of parliament.
So, unless you can employ the services of a damn good barrister to run rings around any CPS appointed fact twister, you're up said creek with said paddle, but unable to use it because your hands are tied!!!.
If this issue is the raised letters, then they are permitted because pressed plates are legal.
The case for the defence rests M'lud.
thunderbelmont said:
What you're missing here is that the carbon fibre is ALL black, just that the lattice layup of the fibre gives it the appearance of black/grey due to light reflection/refraction.
This is the closest answer to what I think people are missing. The definition of "black" is in BSAU145d - IIRC it is a black colour where there is less than 10% reflectivity, so I think any lettering which falls within that is ok.However I don't think domed lettering is legal, since the plate isn't acrylic-faced and would fail BSU145d on the construction. (Yes, I know the OP's plate has BSAU145d on the plate but that doesn't mean the plate actually meets it)
Gareth79 said:
This is the closest answer to what I think people are missing. The definition of "black" is in BSAU145d - IIRC it is a black colour where there is less than 10% reflectivity, so I think any lettering which falls within that is ok.
Anyone confirm that?I thought BSAU145d (or equivalent) only referred to the reflectivity of the backing material - but I could be wrong.
saaby93 said:
Gareth79 said:
This is the closest answer to what I think people are missing. The definition of "black" is in BSAU145d - IIRC it is a black colour where there is less than 10% reflectivity, so I think any lettering which falls within that is ok.
Anyone confirm that?I thought BSAU145d (or equivalent) only referred to the reflectivity of the backing material - but I could be wrong.
Gareth79 said:
saaby93 said:
Gareth79 said:
This is the closest answer to what I think people are missing. The definition of "black" is in BSAU145d - IIRC it is a black colour where there is less than 10% reflectivity, so I think any lettering which falls within that is ok.
Anyone confirm that?I thought BSAU145d (or equivalent) only referred to the reflectivity of the backing material - but I could be wrong.
no more than 0.5cd/lx/m2
So if that's true for the OPs characters they meet BSAU145d
What does 0.5cd/lx/m2 look like
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 12th May 22:42
TheEnd said:
147GTA said:
warned me about losing the private plate and being issued with a Q plate by the DVLA next time
A handy way to recognise an arse, as compared to an elbow, is the ratio of 1:2 on a standard person.You would be given 3 strikes before a private plate is revoked, and then you'd fall back to your original numberplate.
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