The Nazis want some extra tax from me

[TheCarpetCleaner]

109 Bob said:

Quinny said:

Is it me, or are the spelling & grammar police, just a little bit sad??

Trolling around the internet, trying to make themselves look smart, by pulling folk up over a few letters, that may be the wrong way around

No, It's not just you.

Yup. I have always thought of them as hazel blearslike in personality.

Sneering pointless pedantic idiots.

Still, that's for another thread...

[Pedmeister]

rypt said:

So, I usually park in a housing area near where I do some part time work. It is supposed to be "private estate" with some pikey "no parking" sign, but this is not of course legally endorsable so no chance of getting clamped etc.
Some decided to super glue a "DO NOT PARK HERE, blah blah blah" notice to my windscreen (a fking bh to remove I may add).
So there I am ripping bits of the notice off, when a PCSO turns up in a car (I didn't see him). Apparently a few bits of the notice that I was ripping off my windscreen had fallen to the ground ... cue him giving me a FPN. Naturally, him being a PCSO means that I refuse to tell him my name and tell him I will tell it to a uniformed officer on production of his ID/warrant card. His mate gets out of the car and says that he is a police officer and shows me some ID (that simply said "employee of Thames Valley Police" or something similar - but he is plain clothes). I still ask for a uniformed officer, and the plain clothes chappy seems happy enough to oblige and calls in for another officer.
So a clothed officer now arrives on a bicycle, but is refusing to show me any ID and simply says "I'm wearing the correct clothes, and look it has a number on my vest". While I'm trying to get the guy to show me some ID (and him threatening to arrest me under everything from Section 20 PACE (isn't this seizure of computerised materials?), to anti-terror laws) another 2 cops in a proper car show up, and seem happy enough to show me their ID.
Cue me giving them my details and getting my FPN...


So firstly, is there any way I can get out of the FPN ("Section 87/88 Environment Protection Act 1990") ... I don't really fancy the local Nazi scum £55 (which is almost the amount of money I earned today :/)

Secondly, anyone know of an easy way to remove paper notices that get stuck to your car with some bhing glue (I spent ages using nails and wiper fluid to remove it). It is the only place I can park that is within walking distance of where I work, public transport is not an option due to the time it would take, the work place has no parking provision, and the person sticking these notices on is a local so is likely to do it to me again

Thirdly, what is it with officers refusing to show proper ID. I told the guy, you show me your ID and I will gladly tell you who I am and so on...

And fourthly, am I right about Section 20 of PACE being about computers, and as such should I file a complaint about the officer being a retard :/

Edited by rypt on Wednesday 26th May 18:24

Edited by rypt on Wednesday 26th May 18:29

You appear to have an awful attitude on several fronts. Firstly, you appear to be dumping your car in a residential area purely for your own convenience,and at the inconvenience of others IE residents. Having first hand experience of being on the receiving end of people selfishly dumping their cars outside my address on a daily basis, I can tell you what a complete & utter pain in the arse it is. Must their be a law in place to govern your behaviour before you will show some consideration towards others? Legally, so long as your vehicle is insured, MOT'd & VEL'd, there is no reason why you cannot park, unless there are parking restrictions in place, & being enforced. However, morally, you are wrong to dump your vehicle outside someone's house on a daily basis. You do so purely for your own convenience, at their expense & inconvenience. It frequently causes residents a great deal of inconvenience. For example, it makes it very difficult for deliveries to be made, or family members to visit if the area is grid locked with parked up vehicles. Access to drive ways can be impeded, or even obstructed altogether. By continually parking your car in a residential area, you not only inconvenience the residents, but you also effect the value of their houses. IE Who is going to buy a house in an area where large numbers of vehicles are dumped outside houses on a daily basis? The implication is obvious, it reduces the potential market value of the houses in an area where such problems persist. It also places residents who are intent on selling their houses under an obligation to declare that parking is an issue, when they advertise their houses for sale.

The fact that signs have been placed up should really tell you something should it not? Perhaps residents are abjectly pissed off at having to contend with their road being turned into an free NCP car park between 9-5 each day?!

The fact that somebody glued a parking notice on your windscreen should tell you something should it not? Perhaps residents are at their wits end? Clearly, they are dropping you a HUGE hint. You are lucky they didn't remove the valves from your tyres, that would have seriously messed your day up......It has been known to happen.

Your attitude towards the PCSO & Police staff is also a pretty poor reflection on you. The PCSO who initially spoke to you, will have asked you to pick the litter up. They MUST ask you in order to give you the opportunity to rectify the situation. You appear to have omitted this from your account of events.I wonder why? By being extremely pedantic and insisting on a uniformed Police Officer attending the scene, you have tied up a limited asset for no other reason than to score points & be awkward. WHY did you refuse to confirm your details to the PCSO? What was your reason? Was your behaviour that of a reasonable person? You were approached & spoken to by a PCSO in relation to littering. Did you have any grounds, or justification to suspect the PCSO was bogus, with bogus FP notices?! If not, why insist on being so bloody minded? Did it change the outcome for you?

Clearly you have a problem with having your behaviour challenged. You appear livid that somebody who clearly feels that YOU inconvenience them with your car each day, has inconvenienced YOU. You appear furious that a PCSO has challenged YOUR behaviour & issued you with an FPN in relation to a littering offence. Your remark about, "NAZI SCUM," is the icing on the cake as far I am concerned. "NAZI SCUM?" or just people trying to do their job perhaps??

You have an appalling, selfish, arrogant, conceited attitude. YOU are right, everybody else is WRONG.

Perhaps your sole purpose in life, is to act as a warning to others......

Edited by Pedmeister on Friday 28th May 19:59

[Pedmeister]

rypt said:

herewego said:

If it's a private road then it doesn't matter how wide it is does it? It's private and that's it.

The fact that there is a sign on a lamp post saying "Private housing estate, ps off" has no legal ramification
The road is STILL a public highway (hence why PCSO can even try to fine you as it is not private land), there is no gate or anything, as such normal rules of the road apply. If you do not want parking then you need to have the SAME double yellow lines on the estate as the council have on other parts of the roads near by.
If you do not want people parking then you need to have signs to that effect, that are legal under whatever regulations there are and are enforced as such.

MUST EVERYTHING IN LIFE BE LEGISLATED FOR, BEFORE YOU WILL SHOW SOME CONSIDERATION TO OTHERS?? PATHETIC.

[Marf]

Every cloud and all that

[carmonk]

I wouldn't have the balls to park on someone else's road but if I did, and someone stuck paper on my car, I'd remove the paper without complaint and put it in my pocket. And if I decided to add insult to injury, by treating the private road like a rubbish tip as well as a free car park by throwing the paper on the ground, and a PCSO gave me a ticket (which is likely less than you'd have paid in parking fees if you had parked properly) then I'd accept it graciously and pay it.

[fluffnik]

rypt said:

The fact that the road is owned by the people who run the apartments is neither here nor there, they have no legal enforcement on that road for no parking.

Yes it is, and yes they do.

Would you put up with someone parking on your lawn?

Same deal.

(top marks for cage rattling all the same )

[JamesFR]

fluffnik said:

rypt said:

The fact that the road is owned by the people who run the apartments is neither here nor there, they have no legal enforcement on that road for no parking.

Yes it is, and yes they do.

Would you put up with someone parking on your lawn?

Same deal.

(top marks for cage rattling all the same )

+1 - there is case law stating that if appropriately signed as private property you're accepting an implied consent to be clamped and most certainly have snot-o-grams affixed to your car. It's a civil issue and not a criminal offence, however they can do it.

They pay to have that parking, which is something I'd love to have where I live so can appreciate the benefit that would bring them. It'd really piss me off if I was paying in excess of £50 a month to park near my home and some inconsiderate arse such as the OP were to freeload off my hard-earned out of sheer laziness.

Take it as Karma, move on, learn from it and don't be such an obtuse arse to PCSO's and Police Officers in future. They're trying to do their job and you're wasting our tax cash by tying up the ever-thinning blue line with pointless drivel!
You'll have cost the public purse probably in excess of £100, not including the money from your ticket. Maybe, if you're really unlucky, you'll have stopped those officers from responding to a real emergency that was life or death.
Bet you'd be the first to complain about a slow police response if you were getting mugged and the officers were too tied up with some prat arguing over his own illegal parking.

[arfur sleep]

not read the whole thread but what happens re insurance if parking without permission on a private road, does it not become invalid in the event of an incident?

And no, this isn't a suggestion that the local residents should somehow damage the OP's car just to teach him a lesson.

[Pothole]

scenario8 said:

I live in a small cul de sac, which is a private road, marked with signs as "private" and "residents parking only" and the like...This is Greater London...residents each have a share of the freehold of the private land...
... Thatcher's children abound.

ahem.

[Devil2575]

chr15b said:

Milky Joe said:

+1

it's one thing getting an 'invoice' when there are some daft small signs on a private carpark at a shopping centre but to park in a private place when you know you shouldnt is just plain rude and selfish.

it's extremely annoying when you cant park or manouver around your own home because of selfish people

your actions were deliberate then to top it all off you behave like a child - the smiley from the previous post sums it up.

Didn't both reading the rest of the thread. This response sums it up.

I have been blocked in before by people using residential steets are free parking for work.

[Devil2575]

Pedmeister said:

WHY did you refuse to confirm your details to the PCSO? What was your reason?

I suspect that's it was because he is a cock end