The Nazis want some extra tax from me

[rypt]

BDZ said:

rypt said:

BDZ said:

rypt said:

BDZ said:

rypt said:

BDZ said:

There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID unless he's searching you and in plain clothes.

The plain clothes guy's ID simply said he was employed by Thames Valley Police, it was not a proper warrant card.
And why should he not show me his ID, how do I know he is a real cop and not someone who bought a £5 ebay?

Well how do you know the other cop wasn't wearing fake uniform he bought off E-bay? How do you know the FPN wasn't made on photoshop?

Only way you can be sure is not to pay the FPN and see what happens.

As I said, I was asking for a UNIFORMED officer to show me their WARRANT CARD before I would give them any details.

And, as I said, there is no requirement for an officer to show you their warrant card when in uniform and issuing an FPN. Out of interest what would you have done if he didn't have it with him or refused to show it?

Say I do not believe you are a police officer and as such will not give you any of my details?

So would you demand to see the custody sergeant's warrant card when he was booking you in after you'd been arrested? After all, it could be a fake police station staffed by actors.

I would have the legal right to resist arrest if I'm under the impression that the officer is not really an officer ... hence why police should identify themselves

Edited by rypt on Wednesday 26th May 20:33

[7mike]

rypt said:

It is the only place I can park that is within walking distance of where I work, public transport is not an option due to the time it would take, the work place has no parking provision, and the person sticking these notices on is a local so is likely to do it to me again

There must be someone in that street who doesn't use their drive during the hours you work. Why not try doing a deal offering a small regular sum for use of it.

[BDZ]

rypt said:

BDZ said:

rypt said:

BDZ said:

rypt said:

BDZ said:

rypt said:

BDZ said:

There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID unless he's searching you and in plain clothes.

The plain clothes guy's ID simply said he was employed by Thames Valley Police, it was not a proper warrant card.
And why should he not show me his ID, how do I know he is a real cop and not someone who bought a £5 ebay?

Well how do you know the other cop wasn't wearing fake uniform he bought off E-bay? How do you know the FPN wasn't made on photoshop?

Only way you can be sure is not to pay the FPN and see what happens.

As I said, I was asking for a UNIFORMED officer to show me their WARRANT CARD before I would give them any details.

And, as I said, there is no requirement for an officer to show you their warrant card when in uniform and issuing an FPN. Out of interest what would you have done if he didn't have it with him or refused to show it?

Say I do not believe you are a police officer and as such will not give you any of my details?

So would you demand to see the custody sergeant's warrant card when he was booking you in after you'd been arrested? After all, it could be a fake police station staffed by actors.

I would have the legal right to resist arrest if I'm under the impression that the officer is not really an officer ...

So you could get locked up for police assault and littering?

Believe it or not you cannot (in a legal sense) form an opinion as to whether or not your arrest is unlawful, for the very reason that then it would always be lawful for someone to assault the police when arrested and successfully claim a legitimate defence that they though their arrest was unlawful. A court would ultimately decide whether it was reasonable for you to think that a police officer in uniform was fake of course.

[rypt]

An officer refusing to show ID would to most people be enough to make them think that something is not right

[BDZ]

rypt said:

An officer refusing to show ID would to most people be enough to make them think that something is not right

Perhaps, but most people wouldn't assume that a cop in uniform in radio contact with other cops was fake. As I said before, if the cops who turned up in a marked car had also refused to show you ID you really wouldn't have many options if you carried on refusing to give the details for an FPN.

All mostly hypothetical of course as it's massively rare for people to be arrested for refusing to provide name and address details for summary offences but still in theory easy to get arrested for, regardless of whether or not the officer shows you ID.

[Parrot of Doom]

berg1 said:

Parrot of Doom said:

The parking issue aside, I'm glad you were fined for littering. From the tone of your post I'm not surprised you were done, you sound like a mouthy little cockbag.

Apologies if you're not.

Is this the same person who has previously bragged about barging in at the end of queues

Yes. What of it?

[Odie]

BDZ said:

There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID

I refer you to section 42 of the police reform act 2002.


ETA - Police officers have to carry their warrant cards on them at all times while on duty.

Edited by Odie on Thursday 27th May 10:53

[Citizen09]

Odie said:

BDZ said:

There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID

I refer you to section 42 of the police reform act 2002.

That's ^ not police officers - it's police staff, and other accredited persons.

[Odie]

Citizen09 said:

Odie said:

BDZ said:

There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID

I refer you to section 42 of the police reform act 2002.

That's ^ not police officers - it's police staff, and other accredited persons.

Thats not how I read it or how alot of forces website interpret it. But you may be right. I'll have to read it again to see.

[Dupont666]

So apparantly some of the paper fell on the floor (probably tearing it up and throwing it there) and then because you were annoyed someone had glued a notice on your windscreen as you were parking on private property... you in your immense wisdom decided to take it out on some police officers including a fake one and act like a bloody child...

Well done, you deserve everything you get!!

Is it so hard to keep calm and polite when being asked a few questions?

And now you want to resort to reporting them for maybe saying the wrong thing... Why make the situation worse, will it give you a buzz or something?

I think you need a little me time to grow up, dont you?

[rypt]

Because the plod should be out doing something useful, like investigating criminal damage and the like not wasting time with plastic plod doing bugger all useful

[Dupont666]

rypt said:

Because the plod should be out doing something useful, like investigating criminal damage and the like not wasting time with plastic plod doing bugger all useful

They happened to be there at that time and you got done, then were abusive so you wasted police time of 2 offices in a car and one on a bike with your petty ramblings, instead of apologising and picking it up and trying not to get a ticket...

So in conclusion they would have been doing something useful if you hadnt wasted their time with this... they could of caught someone doing something serious instead of having to attend you arguing with a fake cop...

I think you deserve a round of applause for that... well done!!

[ZOLLAR]

OP let me introduce you to

Jo Bo said:

My latest project

perhaps you two could get together and help each other out?

[rypt]

Plastic Plod was already giving me a ticket before I refused to give him my details until he got some real uninformed officers who produced me their warrant cards. So I didn't get 2difficult" until I was already being given a ticket, the onyl thing I asked was "under what powers are you issuing me a ticket" to see if he knew or not

[Dupont666]

rypt said:

Plastic Plod was already giving me a ticket before I refused to give him my details until he got some real uninformed officers who produced me their warrant cards. So I didn't get 2difficult" until I was already being given a ticket, the onyl thing I asked was "under what powers are you issuing me a ticket" to see if he knew or not

So by your own admitance you were being difficult... Oh but wait.. not too difficult!!

That makes it better then, you like to bait the plastic plod for amusement or just because you hate the fact they help out in the community, then they have to deal with someone like yourself...

Your still putting yourself in a bad light and digging the hole ever deeper...

[rypt]

I admit to being difficult once he was already giving me a ticket, because at that point it stopped being "oh it's some plod talking about something" and turned into an adversarial exchange with someone I don't actually have any respect for

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 11:36

[Chester Drawers]

So let me get this straight, by your own admission you park on a private road - make your mind up on this, is it a private road with public right of access or adopted by residents or a public road? You then get a ticket stuck on your screen, lob your toys out of the pram and get a FPN from a "Plastic Cop" for littering and then you go all mouthy and manage to fail numerous attitude tests. Not satisfied with that measure of making a prat of yourself you then decide to moan about it on a public forum clearly expecting to hear sympathetic voices helping to sooth your troubled brow?

IMHO, you're a prat and you deserved the FPN.

[Dupont666]

rypt said:

I admit to being difficult once he was already giving me a ticket, because at that point it stopped being "oh it's some plod talking about something" and turned into an adversarial exchange with someone I don't actually have any respect for

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 11:36

Why dont you have respect for people that want to help out in the community?

Do you not like the community or do you only help your self instead of think of the wider picture?

[rypt]

Because mr plastic is not helping the community, he is just generating some stealth taxes.

[Deva Link]

rypt said:

I would have the legal right to resist arrest if I'm under the impression that the officer is not really an officer ...

Nope.

Any member of the public (and these are the powers that a PCSO operates under too) can arrest you for various things, including:
• Arrest of persons committing, or about to commit, a Breach of the Peace under common law.

If you're getting angry, gobbing off to a bunch of PCSO's and chucking bits of paper around then they probably wouldn't have much difficulty making a Breech of the Peace allegation stick.