The Nazis want some extra tax from me

[cornishgirl]

Dibble said:

rypt said:

So basically you lot now simply have cards that are easy to fake ... great to know, I think I'll go make my self one and get some ebay uniform and badge

Anything can be forged/faked, it all depends on how much time, money and inclination you have.

The main point I was making is that all forces cards are different, so you'd at least have to know what the force's current card looked like as a starter for 10.

Dibble - are the comments made previously by BDZ correct - "There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID unless he's searching you and in plain clothes".

[Dupont666]

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

[will_]

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

I'm very confused. Is this a private road? And what are the legal enforcement/signage requirements you're talking about?

Why don't you just park on someone's driveway? I doubt they have signs either.

If it's a private road you have no legal right to park there, so don't get jumpy about a bit of glue, be thankful the car hadn't been removed/clamped/trolley jacked out of the way.

[Poledriver]

Quinny said:

FishFace said:

Scoring minus a million on the attitude test = FPN.

I'd rather pay £55 quid than be a kiss ass

Fair enough, but there is a whole range of attitude between 'kiss-ass' and 'kick-ass'!

[rypt]

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

[Chester Drawers]

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

[rypt]

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing marked out

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:16

[superlightr]

superlightr said:

rypt said:

Dribble .

Holy Cow Batman - what a load of ste you spout.

Step back off the cliff, go into meditation for 7 days, exponge those twisted ideas from your mind and then when you have addressed those demons in your brain, repost on this very topic, repent with all your heart the sins and false tounges of your ways to the Piston Cardinals on here and you may receive salvation (although probably another round of piss take which you justly deserve)

Edited by superlightr on Thursday 27th May 13:13

Edited by superlightr on Thursday 27th May 13:13

[will_]

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

[F i F]

rypt said:

F i F said:

rypt said:

I only work at this place now and then (2-3 days a week), and I refuse to pay to park in a city where I've paid council tax before, on roads that are funded from income tax I've paid before and funded by fuel duty, vehicle excise duty, vat, and so on.
For all that money I damn well expect the council to provide an adequate bus service (which they have not) or free parking (which they do not).

How bizarre!

Other countries seem to provide lots of cheap/free parking (*cough* USA *cough*) outside of major cities (Oxford is not London ffs)

Last time I went to Oxford I used the park and ride service, and then walked to my destination. I wasn't so arrogant or tight or downright stupid as to believe I could park somewhere regularly for free that I knew I wasn't supposed to simply because I'd parked there before.

You see the visit before that I used some parking that had been allocated to me by one of the university departments as this arrangement was more convenient to them, and me, though I wasn't particularly bothered either way.

I've now looked at the map to see where you should believe you should be allowed free and unlimited parking on the basis that at some point you have paid an indeterminate amount of tax to somebody.

Presumably 2-3 days a week you also walk to the river and play Pooh sticks because you do seem to be a bear of exceedingly small brain.

ushes ignore this poster button:

[Dibble]

cornishgirl said:

Dibble said:

rypt said:

So basically you lot now simply have cards that are easy to fake ... great to know, I think I'll go make my self one and get some ebay uniform and badge

Anything can be forged/faked, it all depends on how much time, money and inclination you have.

The main point I was making is that all forces cards are different, so you'd at least have to know what the force's current card looked like as a starter for 10.

Dibble - are the comments made previously by BDZ correct - "There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID unless he's searching you and in plain clothes".

Erm, at the risk of showing my arse, I'll have to check and get back to you.

I know that plain clothes officers routinely show warrant cards for just about everything from searches (which they MUST do under s1 PACE), to ID when knocking on a door, but when I was in uniform, I was never asked for my warrant card.

[otolith]

rypt said:

There is plenty of land (despite being the city centre or near to it) to build a decent multi storey car park.
Instead there is only a small 2 storey car park for a shopping centre, and then 3-4 large normal car parks.
If all this was turned to multi storey plus basement levels there would be LOTS of parking available for everyone

This is Oxford you're talking about, yes? Short of erecting massive flashing neon signs on the entrance roads reading "fk Off Disgusting Car Drivers", they couldn't make it much clearer, could they? Parking is difficult because the council wants it to be. They don't want you to drive in, they want you on the Looser Cruiser. Personally, I would try to avoid working or shopping there on principle.

Littering is not on, parking where it upsets residents is unwise and being arsey with coppers, plastic or otherwise, is a hiding to nothing. I would have thought, however, that someone who is clearly dealing with the consequences of being the victim of a petty crime would be a candidate for a polite word about "picking that up" rather than an automatic FPN.

[Dupont666]

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing marked out

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:16

So if you adamant that you can park on a private road even though you are ignoring the no parking signs and still think its fair, would it be fair for them to send you a bill for the up keep of the road that the residents have to maintain as its their private road?

Could work out expensive for you.

[F i F]

There are some TVP on here, can we have the canteen goss on this.

Would add some colourful texture to the tale.

Needs some more pages yet but I can feel a nomination for classic thread status in the offing.

[BDZ]

cornishgirl said:

Dibble said:

rypt said:

So basically you lot now simply have cards that are easy to fake ... great to know, I think I'll go make my self one and get some ebay uniform and badge

Anything can be forged/faked, it all depends on how much time, money and inclination you have.

The main point I was making is that all forces cards are different, so you'd at least have to know what the force's current card looked like as a starter for 10.

Dibble - are the comments made previously by BDZ correct - "There's no requirement for a cop to show you his ID unless he's searching you and in plain clothes".

Cornishgirl - most police powers refer to a constable "in uniform" having the power to stop a vehicle/conduct a stop search/make a requirement for a breath test etc, rather than the production of a warrant card having these powers. The law also requires officers in plain clothes to produce their warrant cards when conducting searches. That is not to say there aren't times when it is useful, polite, or good practice to produce it, and there are also policies that recommend it is shown when someone asks (as long as it is reasonable) but that's not the same as there being a legal requirement to produce it.

What I was getting at in the original scenario the OP described was that if the cops who turned up and wanted to issue an FPN but did not show the OP their warrant cards when he demanded it would in no way invalidate the FPN, and if he continued to refuse his name and address for the FPN to be served then the refusal to show a warrant card would not invalidate the OP being arrested under s.25 PACE.

[Jayho]

rypt said:

Jayho said:

rypt said:

I only work at this place now and then (2-3 days a week), and I refuse to pay to park in a city where I've paid council tax before, on roads that are funded from income tax I've paid before and funded by fuel duty, vehicle excise duty, vat, and so on.
For all that money I damn well expect the council to provide an adequate bus service (which they have not) or free parking (which they do not).

When they offer free parking and more or less everyone drives in you'll start a thread "The Nazis have designed a stupid carpark as i can get a space as everyone else is earlier than me!"

There is plenty of land (despite being the city centre or near to it) to build a decent multi storey car park.
Instead there is only a small 2 storey car park for a shopping centre, and then 3-4 large normal car parks.
If all this was turned to multi storey plus basement levels there would be LOTS of parking available for everyone

OK you ask your local council to do that then!

Step 1 - Buy land in city center which is sitting there doing nothing
Step 2 - Build a 20 story carpark so everyone can park for free!
Step 3 - Fund the project... hmmm... quite hard with no budget left and country being in recession... I KNOW! lets raise taxes to build this!
Step 4 - rypt goes on public forum complaining that tax is too high!

What a fun day!!!

As you've stated, there are public car parks in the city center! There is a 2 story public car park so i suggest you park there instead!!! everyone else who chooses to drive to the city center does it! why cant you??? Before i got a dedicated parking space with the British Legion car park i had to park at a council car park for £8 a day... Thats an hours work for placement student... Did i care? no not really... I CHOOSE to drive in to work, therefore I PAY FOR PARKING!

[rypt]

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

[Dupont666]

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

[Fer]

Hmm, this isn't going the way the OP thought...

Can someone please pass the popcorn.

[rypt]

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

It is a cul-de-sac, which still doesn't matter in the eyes of the law as the public has unrestricted driving access to it.
It would, perhaps, be another matter were I to park in one of the parking spaces designed for residents, but parking on the actual road is perfectly legal.