Nice letter to the DVLA?
Discussion
I have come to the following conclusions:
1) the OP is unable to accept good advice;
2) the OP cannot construct a cogent and carefully written letter;
3) the OP has such an issue with the DVLA that it has become an obsession, putting him in the "one-in-four" with a mental health problem.
I shall contribute no more, but will visit from time to time for my own amusement.
Streaky
1) the OP is unable to accept good advice;
2) the OP cannot construct a cogent and carefully written letter;
3) the OP has such an issue with the DVLA that it has become an obsession, putting him in the "one-in-four" with a mental health problem.
I shall contribute no more, but will visit from time to time for my own amusement.
Streaky
streaky said:
I have come to the following conclusions:
1) the OP is unable to accept good advice;
2) the OP cannot construct a cogent and carefully written letter;
3) the OP has such an issue with the DVLA that it has become an obsession, putting him in the "one-in-four" with a mental health problem.
I shall contribute no more, but will visit from time to time for my own amusement.
Streaky
And all over £40....1) the OP is unable to accept good advice;
2) the OP cannot construct a cogent and carefully written letter;
3) the OP has such an issue with the DVLA that it has become an obsession, putting him in the "one-in-four" with a mental health problem.
I shall contribute no more, but will visit from time to time for my own amusement.
Streaky
streaky said:
I have come to the following conclusions:
1) the OP is unable to accept good advice;
2) the OP cannot construct a cogent and carefully written letter;
3) the OP has such an issue with the DVLA that it has become an obsession, putting him in the "one-in-four" with a mental health problem.
I shall contribute no more, but will visit from time to time for my own amusement.
Streaky
Thank you for all the advice it's is very much appreciated. Alas however none of the previous letters acting on the advice have worked, short and direct or long winded the message will not go through to the DVLA and they are Hell bent on getting me to pay a fine (by any other name) for a crime I have not committed. Initially it was a minor irritation but now it has become a David vs Goliath battle that I will not give up on. Because I am right and the DVLA have been getting away with mugging millions out of people for far too long. 1) the OP is unable to accept good advice;
2) the OP cannot construct a cogent and carefully written letter;
3) the OP has such an issue with the DVLA that it has become an obsession, putting him in the "one-in-four" with a mental health problem.
I shall contribute no more, but will visit from time to time for my own amusement.
Streaky
Thank you for the link to the "Fraud Act 2006".
So it continues......
Liquid Knight said:
Thank you for all the advice it's is very much appreciated. Alas however none of the previous letters acting on the advice have worked, short and direct or long winded the message will not go through to the DVLA
But you haven't actually sent a short letter as suggested though, have you. AIUI, your approach has been loquacious and blustery from the start.Strangely Brown said:
With these feet said:
And all over £40....
As much as I agree that the OP is doing himself no favours with his chosen approach, it's NOT just about £40; it's about much more than that.Do you just hand over money to anyone that demands it of you?
Argued the toss for about 3 months, firing letters at one another until I just decided I could not be bothered to p1ss around wasting my time anymore trying to defend myself against a company that does not have the ability to reason. Sure, go to court or whatever it takes, but there are far more "fools" like me that say "sod it I really cant be arsed" than those that will, for the principle, spend £10,000 to get back £40.
I'd rather be doing something else than arguing with the DVLA.
We all know they are grossly incompetent, unreasonable and uncaring. Friend of mine has a colleage HGV driver that several months ago re-newed his licence - albeit without the HGV entitlement. Its taken them months to admit it, thankfully the guy has been in 7.5tonners so he didnt lose his job.
One last chance. Exactly as writen on here apart from personal details and a copy of the act attached to it for reference.
If it doesn't work this time then I'll try the other route.
It isn't just me; it's hundreds of thousands of people. It isn't just £40 or £80; it's millions.
If someone broke into your home and took £80 from the wallet you left in your kitchen and you caught them, what would you do?
1/ Beat the living crap out of them?
2/ Get a good descritpion and report them to the Police?
3/ Let them get away with it?
I realise the DVLA are just people trying to do a job but if their job involves stealing from honnest people then I sorry they deserve all stick and bad press they get.
If it doesn't work this time then I'll try the other route.
It isn't just me; it's hundreds of thousands of people. It isn't just £40 or £80; it's millions.
If someone broke into your home and took £80 from the wallet you left in your kitchen and you caught them, what would you do?
1/ Beat the living crap out of them?
2/ Get a good descritpion and report them to the Police?
3/ Let them get away with it?
I realise the DVLA are just people trying to do a job but if their job involves stealing from honnest people then I sorry they deserve all stick and bad press they get.
Liquid Knight said:
One last chance. Exactly as writen on here apart from personal details and a copy of the act attached to it for reference.
If it doesn't work this time then I'll try the other route.
It isn't just me; it's hundreds of thousands of people. It isn't just £40 or £80; it's millions.
If someone broke into your home and took £80 from the wallet you left in your kitchen and you caught them, what would you do?
1/ Beat the living crap out of them?
2/ Get a good descritpion and report them to the Police?
3/ Let them get away with it?
I realise the DVLA are just people trying to do a job but if their job involves stealing from honnest people then I sorry they deserve all stick and bad press they get.
You just don't get it do you?If it doesn't work this time then I'll try the other route.
It isn't just me; it's hundreds of thousands of people. It isn't just £40 or £80; it's millions.
If someone broke into your home and took £80 from the wallet you left in your kitchen and you caught them, what would you do?
1/ Beat the living crap out of them?
2/ Get a good descritpion and report them to the Police?
3/ Let them get away with it?
I realise the DVLA are just people trying to do a job but if their job involves stealing from honnest people then I sorry they deserve all stick and bad press they get.
Most of us agree with you and would not pay the £40/£80 either, but your approach is all wrong.
A succint 1 or 2 sentence reply will work far, far better.
Ean218 said:
Liquid Knight said:
One last chance. Exactly as writen on here apart from personal details and a copy of the act attached to it for reference.
If it doesn't work this time then I'll try the other route.
It isn't just me; it's hundreds of thousands of people. It isn't just £40 or £80; it's millions.
If someone broke into your home and took £80 from the wallet you left in your kitchen and you caught them, what would you do?
1/ Beat the living crap out of them?
2/ Get a good descritpion and report them to the Police?
3/ Let them get away with it?
I realise the DVLA are just people trying to do a job but if their job involves stealing from honnest people then I sorry they deserve all stick and bad press they get.
You just don't get it do you?If it doesn't work this time then I'll try the other route.
It isn't just me; it's hundreds of thousands of people. It isn't just £40 or £80; it's millions.
If someone broke into your home and took £80 from the wallet you left in your kitchen and you caught them, what would you do?
1/ Beat the living crap out of them?
2/ Get a good descritpion and report them to the Police?
3/ Let them get away with it?
I realise the DVLA are just people trying to do a job but if their job involves stealing from honnest people then I sorry they deserve all stick and bad press they get.
Most of us agree with you and would not pay the £40/£80 either, but your approach is all wrong.
A succint 1 or 2 sentence reply will work far, far better.
I promised myself not to post on this one again.
For the love of god would the OP please do what everyone here is telling him.
I went through the DVLA ringer when I left the UK taking vehicles with me.
A short, to the point letter which boiled down to. Get stuffed, I complied, you didn't.
That worked. If it was 30 words long I'd be surprised.
You have no need to beat them in a battle of wits.
Stand your ground and answer no.
Repeat as necessary.
BPD said:
Just thought i'd end my hijack of the thread by saying that I have just had a letter from the DVLA dropping the issue. So thanks for the pointer with regard Interpretation. Oh and I also requested in the end that their witness attend court when I entered my not guilty plea.
Result chap. 
Be sure to send them a thank you card.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=123843237...
OP, I would take the good advice written here, short and simple this time and let it be the end of it
And yes you can count me as number 401!!
Good luck
If you're fed up with the DVLA why not send the boss a polite greetings card? We (about 400 so far) are sending them to arrive on Monday 20th December.
Mr. Phillip Hammond MP
Secretary of State for Transport
The Palace of Westminster
London
SW1P 3PA
Do not post anything illegal to this address. Just the polite greetings card by way of peaceful protest.
And yes you can count me as number 401!!
Good luck
Liquid Knight said:
If you're fed up with the DVLA why not send the boss a polite greetings card? We (about 400 so far) are sending them to arrive on Monday 20th December.
Mr. Phillip Hammond MP
Secretary of State for Transport
The Palace of Westminster
London
SW1P 3PA
Do not post anything illegal to this address. Just the polite greetings card by way of peaceful protest.
Edited by craig2003 on Monday 15th November 01:46
Got this in the post today from Philips Specialist Bailif & Recovery Agents dated November 5th 2010
Following your failure to pay the Late Licencing Penalty imposed by the DVLA. we have been instructed to commence recovery procedures against you.
The amount which remains outstanding must be paid in full to Philips immediately. Failure to make full payment will result in your case being passed to our Enforcement department for further recovery procedures.
You MUST (block capitals and bold in the letter) pay £80 in full by contacting Tel:number or by visiting www.philips.org.uk . If you ignore this demand for payment your vehicle may be wheel clamped in which case a release fee will be charged and a valid tax disc must be produced. You could be fined more than £1000.00. Further payment options are found overleaf.
To to (exactly as writen) prevent yourself incuring additional costs and possible CountyCourtJudgment against you, you must pay this penalty and either tax the vehicle if you are using or keeping it on a public road or make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) if it is being kept off the road. You can do this online at [u]www.direct.gov.uk/taxdisk[/u] or by completing one of the forms previously sent to you. If you no longer have the vehicle you must pay the penalty and write to the DVLA Swansea, SA99 1AR telling them you have either sold, transfered, exported or scrapped it.
Hmmmmmm
What do you guys think?
As far as I can see this is a unfounded threat and will treated as such.
Following your failure to pay the Late Licencing Penalty imposed by the DVLA. we have been instructed to commence recovery procedures against you.
The amount which remains outstanding must be paid in full to Philips immediately. Failure to make full payment will result in your case being passed to our Enforcement department for further recovery procedures.
You MUST (block capitals and bold in the letter) pay £80 in full by contacting Tel:number or by visiting www.philips.org.uk . If you ignore this demand for payment your vehicle may be wheel clamped in which case a release fee will be charged and a valid tax disc must be produced. You could be fined more than £1000.00. Further payment options are found overleaf.
To to (exactly as writen) prevent yourself incuring additional costs and possible CountyCourtJudgment against you, you must pay this penalty and either tax the vehicle if you are using or keeping it on a public road or make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) if it is being kept off the road. You can do this online at [u]www.direct.gov.uk/taxdisk[/u] or by completing one of the forms previously sent to you. If you no longer have the vehicle you must pay the penalty and write to the DVLA Swansea, SA99 1AR telling them you have either sold, transfered, exported or scrapped it.
Hmmmmmm
What do you guys think?
As far as I can see this is a unfounded threat and will treated as such.
Simond S said:
reply that the vehicle was scrapped and the matter is in dispute with DVLA.
+1. Just thought I would paste a copy of the letter that I sent to the DVLA that made them drop the court action. I also sent a copy of it to the court just in case the DVLA didn't get it with a copy of my not guilty plea.
BPD said:
To whom this may concern,
Under the Interpretation Act 1978 Section 7 as detailed below, I fully complied with the law by sending the V5 to the DVLA on the date of sale of the vehicle by placing the V5 in a stamped, addressed envelope and placing it in the post box.
Interpretation Act 1978
Section 7
References to service by post.
Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.
Regards
Under the Interpretation Act 1978 Section 7 as detailed below, I fully complied with the law by sending the V5 to the DVLA on the date of sale of the vehicle by placing the V5 in a stamped, addressed envelope and placing it in the post box.
Interpretation Act 1978
Section 7
References to service by post.
Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.
Regards
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